Vegans are right

>like to live long and well instead of just "surviving"

vegans live longer than any other dietary group. literally the longest living people eat very very little meat. vegans have the lowest rates of diabetes, certain cancers, stroke, obesity and high blood pressure

> Bio products treat the animal good before it's killed
>enslaving the animal for its entire life, raping it, and killing its male child is considered "good treatment"

so you'd be okay if an alien species invaded earth and treated you the same way?

>and lastly because of protein
you can get protein from plant sources, like beans, lentils, split peas, tofu and nuts and seeds, you fucking retard

not to mention heme iron causes cancer

youtube.com/watch?v=cq84RZVR_C0

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pls no hurt my goodboi PIGgerino. they r like dogs but tastier.
animals deserve respect and can be harvested ethically and humanely. just not on a global scale like we r doing now

Nigger, I'm not bitching about causing suffering, you are. Now light yourself on fire.

>its fun for me, so that makes it okay
so your moral standard is "if its fun, its okay"?

are rapists morally justified when they rape children, because they enjoy it?

are asians who eat cats, dogs and other animals, morally justified, because they enjoy it?

if someone raped and killed the females in your family, are they morally in the right, because they had fun?

god ur so hypocritical its hilarious

i love how you Yas Forums types always chastise asians for eating dogs, yet you are literally the absolute same as them, you fucking retard

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And the angel of the lord came unto me, snatching me up from my place of slumber.
And took me on high, and higher still until we moved to the spaces betwixt the air itself.
And he brought me into a vast farmlands of our own Midwest.
And as we descended, cries of impending doom rose from the soil.
One thousand, nay a million voices full of fear. And terror possessed me then

And I begged, "Angel of the Lord, what are these tortured screams?"

And the angel said unto me, "These are the cries of the carrots, the cries of the carrots!
You see, Reverend Maynard, tomorrow is harvest day and to them it is the holocaust."

And I sprang from my slumber drenched in sweat like the tears of one million terrified brothers and roared,
"Hear me now, I have seen the light! They have a consciousness, they have a life, they have a soul! Damn you!
Let the rabbits wear glasses! Save our brothers!"

Can I get an amen? Can I get a hallelujah? Thank you Jesus

This is necessary
This is necessary
Life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on life feeds on...

My diabetes got cured because of plants
Anti vegans keep false flagging and claiming it was vegans who made the environment tax when it was literally omnis trying to stop the pollution caused by animals, not even related to the vegan movement because theres no vegan conspiracy

>My diabetes got cured because of plants

good! vegans do have the lowest rates of diabetes out of any dietary group. its always so funny hearing meat eaters say dumb shit like

>NOOTRIENTS despite conveniently ignoring how we can get all of our nutritional needs from plants
>I NEED PROTEIN
>CALCIUM
>GRASS FED IS HEALTHY

when they literally are diabetic obese retards who are at risk of heart disease

youtube.com/watch?v=o1O6TqPRV5o&list=PL5TLzNi5fYd--uc9TA8ERQbQqSmBcSpyj

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How often do you see people sucking milk out of a cows teets on the street?

well i get more pleasure and health benefits from eating meat than i feel bad for supporting their killing

>asks for logic
>appeals to muh feels
Sorry I think the hypocrite here is you, leafrabbit

you see people eating cheese and drinking milk on a daily basis, its basically ubiquitous

youtube.com/watch?v=XRCj8LVTRyA

its funny because milk, dairy, eggs, meat and processed junk foods like coca-cola and pizza-pops make up a good 99% of all tv advertisements. theres no money in selling people whole vegetables or whole grains or nuts. theres only money in animal products and processed junk foods

the funniest thing about you retards is that jesus was actually vegan. the people who wrote the dead sea scrolls were STRICT vegans, and there were gospels which predated our 4 modern gospels that had a entirely vegan jesus. but you morons just listen to popular religion and dont care to look at the history of these religious texts

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Imagine coming to four chan dot org slad ar nine kay to shill for veganry.

>drinking from a babby bottle equals to sucking a tiddy

Unironically curious, without memeing or trolling. What do you know about Mediterranean diet? The original Crete one that was widely used decades ago. With all the hype back in the day and even now as being one of the supposed "healthiest", with people suffering no illnesses and other shit. Have any studies pocketed about it somewhere or any insight?

imagine not having any arguments to make for your obese immoral behavior so all you do is try to attack the character of the speaker

lol you dont even HAVE an argument to make, you're so stupid. but im sure any argument you make will sound equally dumb

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I'm asking about seeing people sucking on a cows teet directly, like your image implies. Also, you can get human milk easily on many online places that specialize in selling it. It's actually quite good.

I didn't attack you, I just pointed out that you're on Yas Forums doing your thing. Why did you perceive that as an attack on you?

>logically defend eating meat
I like eating meat

Yeah my risk went away, I don't know the details but the plants help
I'm just so tired of the false flags by omnis who try to claim vegans have control the animal product industry and the environmental impacts of animal products when its literally the animal farmers who are doing it and refuse to get a different job

>Mediterranean diet?
its still sub-optimal because theres still meat and cheese

heres a video talking exactly about that
youtube.com/watch?v=uVGpTLMN6w4

yeah watch the video, and heres the references used in the video

nutritionfacts.org/video/the-mediterranean-diet-or-a-whole-food-plant-based-diet/

it lowers your heart attack rate, but it still has a much higher heart attack rate than vegans eating a whole foods diet, free of any processed foods like added sugars or oil

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Well ideally you would raise the animal yourself. Give it a healthy life, and then kill it for meat once it's fertility begins to waver. You use the animals milk or eggs. Hobby farm animals are usually quite happy and comfortable for their whole lives.

Then came the day of Unleavened Bread on which the Passover lamb had to be sacrificed. Jesus sent Peter and John, saying, Go and make preparations for us to eat the Passover. Luke 22 7 8, NIV

The animals you choose must be year-old males without defect, and you may take them from the sheep or the goats. Exodus 12 5, NIV

Jesus is a Jew, in passover they eat meat. They didnt state Jesus having some special diet either.

Matthew 26, Mark 14, Luke 22

They gave him a piece of broiled fish, 43 and he took it and ate before them. Luke 24:43-43 ESV

Jesus was a Jew and Jews are meat eaters. Except the Unclean Animals (pork,snake,shellfish etc.), Jews eat varieties of meat and Jesus was not an exception.

Thanks. That was interesting. Maybe I skipped a part, but I wonder if this was by using a modern form of the Mediterranean diet, which introduces a lot of uh....western additives, or was it the original diet. Since modern Mediterranean diet uses a lot of processed alternatives in various places. Then again, I wonder if the benefits don't also come from the whole Mediterranean style of living, which supposedly should be lots of daily walks, positive socializing and so on, which reduce stress. But it's something people can apply to their life, regardless of diet. Mostly just wondering if that "skewed" the results when it comes to it seeming healthier than it actually is.

Also about oil, any info about the various forms of oil? From those classic cheap cooking oils, to highest quality olive ones or any other "fat" alternatives. Be it coconut or whatever alternatives.

"WAA WE DONT NEED THEM TO SURVIVE"
Since when has the modern white man world been about surviving,retard?
Also """meat eaters""" have higher rates of diabetes,are fatter and have higher rates of cancer because uncooked meat and or mutts eating from mcdonalds counting as meat eaters

>logically defend eating meat
Because it tastes good

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Who cares, it's a dead animal all the same.

again, we have a lot of evidence, that the original jesus movement was vegan. the dead sea scroll movement group, who jesus interacted with and quite possibly originated from, was vegan. and just because some book told you its okay to do, doesnt mean its okay

muslims literally use their religious texts to justify slavery and genocide

>BUT WERE RIGHT AND THEYRE WRONG

ugh, believe whatever dumbass shit your modern preacher tells you to then, you stupid goy

>Well ideally you would raise the animal yourself. Give it a healthy life, and then kill it for meat once it's fertility begins to waver.

well we dont live in a ideal world. these animals are bred en mass because its PROFITABLE. giving the animal a long life is not financially profitable, because you have to feed it food and water constantly. animals eat a fuck ton of food. farm animals consume more filtered water from water treatment facilities than humans do

and its still not ideal because fundamentally its still slavery and murder for your taste pleasure. its like saying "well, if we kept niggers in nice living conditions and treated them nicely, it would be ideal compared to how nigger slaves are treated now"

ideally, these animals wouldnt even be bred into existence in the first place, so they would be spared the horrific suffering they endure in industrial farms. even "free range grass fed" animals are sent to the same slaughterhouse at the same age the other animals do

>Also about oil, any info about the various forms of oil?
from my understanding, any processed oils are bad. if you want oils, get them from whole foods. like olives, avocados, whole coconut chunks, nuts and seeds. ANY processed oils are bad. but some are worse than others. like margarine is a lot worse than olive oil, but olive oil still clogs arteries just as much as canola oil

heres some more videos on the mediterian diet cause you seem interested

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>Poster takes a nihilistic stance
>Vegan is already resorting to a series of strawman arguments in response

Sage goes in all fields

I'm not a faggot. I don't give a fuck about the suffering of the animals. May e they should defend themselves. Until that happens I will continue eating meat products

heres the videos on the mediterian diets as promised

copy and paste the link into your browser to see all the videos in the playlist

youtube.com/watch?v=jqbQ82ld-4o&list=PL5TLzNi5fYd9UYokt4z9YmnaUB5oPP_6C

video on olive oil
youtube.com/watch?v=A4WD8Bm7s_I

>because uncooked meat and or mutts eating from mcdonalds counting as meat eaters

are you sure about that? because the people in the study did a lot of home cooking, were well educated and had decent incomes, they werent poverty stricken retards. and mcdonalds meat is basically the same as organic grass fed steak

both contain cholesterol, TMAO's, heme iron, heterocyclic amines and polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons, all of which increase risks of cancer, diabetes, heart attacks and stroke

>Since when has the modern white man world been about surviving,retard?
the point is that you dont need to do it, which means you do it for your pleasure

its literally like enslaving niggers and doing it for pleasure, or raping a child and doing it for pleasure

all of the actions are immoral and cannot be justified. thats my whole point, you arent in a survival situation on some deserted island

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I'll be honest the thing that made me go almost vegan was when a friend of mine made some bean cutlets and veggie stews that tasted good. After that looked into more recipes and got hooked. It took me about 2 years, but it was a journey of
>okay I cut my meat and animal product intake in half...I'm used to it now. Why not do it again?
>okay, why not cut it in half again
>okay, why not cut it in half again
And it kept going. Right now the only meat I eat is fish during a few month period that I catch from a large river in my summer house. That's cheating, but cutting out fish is the hardest for me(but trying). Easy to cut out store shit, since it's garbage compared to something you pulled out of the river minutes ago. Besides that, no eggs, milk, any other forms of meat, or other animal products. I feel I can make tastier food without them.

The way I see converting people to a more plant based diet is not going for the aggressive shit eating grin superiority complex, but by introducing to vegan alternatives. Asking to cut back on animal based products. Once someone gets used to it, they can cut back again. It might not be PEAK performance, but I thin kit would make a huge difference, if people only consumed like 1/5th of animal based products. If people can reach that point, why not go for a lower number or even completely or almost completely getting rid of it. But because of human psychology, I think it's detrimental for a cause to force someone to go at it head first, while also belittling them. I know you and others might have a mindset of "all or nothing", but as you said. We don't live in a perfect world. If you want to support true change, I feel your approach isn't the best one. Then again, I doubt this board is the place for that either.

Got a few family members to cut back hard in the same way.
Made a few easy dishes.
They wanted more.
They cook more and have less empty slots for meat.

But this is all IMO.

How does it feel to know that you're ultimately doing veganism a disservice ITT?

You can claim moral superiority and outwit people all you like, but the simple fact is that you will alienate people from veganism as long as you continue to be an insufferable cunt about it.

When it comes to changing opinions:
Being right=/=being effective

>nooo you cant just dominate the earth and do whatever you want
actually we can

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>as long as you continue to be an insufferable cunt about it
>waaaa waaa my fee-fees got hurt because you were INSENSITIVE, now im going to eat even more meat because you dont like it HAHA

listen, if people make life decisions based on if they like someone or not, they are irrational emotional apes, and no amount of licking their ass and being nice to them is going to change anything

im just posting the truth, about health, about what happens to animals, about the environment, etc. if people are so petty that they will eat meat in spite of me, LITERALLY nothing i say will ever convince them to go vegan, because they dont make life decisions based on logic and reason

the same slimy faggots will just weasel out of any arguments i make because they're slimy rats. im not trying to appeal to your emotions, im trying to appeal to the logical and rational parts of your deteriorating brain to get you to make a decision based on the facts

and the fact is, a vegan diet is cheaper, better for your health, better for the animals, and better for the environment

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>and the fact is, a vegan diet is cheaper, better for your health, better for the animals, and better for the environment
prove it

my pleasure

vegan diet is cheaper than a meat eater's
youtube.com/watch?v=miewQbf6PJA

comfy vegan street interviews:
youtube.com/watch?v=AAHHcq1WwtU
youtube.com/watch?v=rabHBbgDH3U
youtube.com/watch?v=oZ4cwqvo9L8
youtube.com/watch?v=Q7LEEvSLnc4

horrors of slaughterhouses:
youtube.com/watch?list=PLtc3iQTP5EZ8zZ4IG1kNzvF9X9lj-8eZl&v=eTYjuZzuzNg
youtube.com/watch?v=LQRAfJyEsko
youtube.com/watch?v=KezHKbUzy0A

horrors of the dairy industry:
youtube.com/watch?v=UcN7SGGoCNI
youtube.com/watch?v=utPkDP3T7R4

understanding why we eat pigs and love dogs:
youtube.com/watch?v=ao2GL3NAWQU

philosophical arguments for veganism
youtube.com/watch?v=C1vW9iSpLLk
youtube.com/watch?v=PLl3vEGU49Q

how to get started on a vegan diet:
youtube.com/watch?v=Wofs3rFnggs
youtube.com/watch?v=tgiOT_kZ_js

how meat causes diabetes, cancer and heart disease:
youtube.com/watch?v=UTxLHqeXZNQ
youtube.com/watch?v=4mIC_OKOjIQ
youtube.com/watch?v=LXigmGZk5FU&list=PL5TLzNi5fYd8FjyRK69fnvN3nX4TCvrez

vegan weight lifter
youtube.com/watch?v=ftonX5zBrHU
youtube.com/watch?v=hHrysja5lYw

environmental damage of the meat industry
youtube.com/watch?v=S7854HbH9Ro

how animals are the main originating source of all viruses and pandemics
youtube.com/watch?v=Se9yqWNIG8A

long vegan debates
youtube.com/watch?v=eT0yC2exQZU
youtube.com/watch?v=A-VdZyxW4I4
youtube.com/watch?v=Drao2ZYlneo

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prove it with your own words. im not going to listen to your meme videos.

Not that user, i'm but it feels like you're doing the same mistake. You're mixing yourself up in emotions, frustration. No, you wont change the minds of people here and it's not about licking their ass either. I'm into calisthenics, so it's what i'll use to compare. If I came in to a fat whale buffet and started talking in a similar manner, nobody will listen to what I have to say. I will get frustrated and will start to call them out. They will get annoyed and will refuse to listen. In the end we are both angry. No change.

I can do some handstand push-ups and deep down it annoys me that people can't do it, because it's easy to ME. Hell i'm annoyed people can't do basic stretching, but I forget there are steps to it. Just like with veganism to you. It seems obvious for you, but not for others. So by using exercise example I can :

a) change my approach and realize that I need to ease people into it. I might get a few whales to try and with a lot of dedication, I might have 1 or 2 sticking to it.
b)Focus on the people who are NOT the fat whales, but need extra support. This way cutting off as much potential for new whales. I could easily get way more people to stick to it.
The same could apply with helping others get into a healthier diet, that helps them and the environment.

Same with veganism. Now it's not your JOB to do it. But you obviously care to a degree. So the question is, do you want RESULTS or do you want to SCREAM and be frustrated? You seem very informed and everything, and I hope you're doing something outside of the board to help people with it and to ease them in, instead of screaming at them. It's a lot of work, but again, if you're passionate and want results, then you either need to separate your feelings and go for pure facts, or have a different approach.

I can honestly see you doing very informative videos with all the info you gather, to help a lot of people. but if your videos would be a play on emotions it wont work.

So for you, women and cows are the same?

Sirancha, fuck off and make another asterios kills a kid.

>we can means that we should
What kind of logic is this?

might makes right
originiggers

Also to add to this, I know how you feel to a degree. There's nothing worse than having the knowledge you do and seeing people purposefully damaging themselves and the environment. I understand it builds frustration. Again the closest I can passionately relate to is fitness. I get so frustrated when I know that all most people need to do is have very very basic home movement exercises to get results. But they don't do it, almost out of spite. And then they whine about running out of breath, having zero stamina, zero strength, health issues, breathing issues and so on. It makes me want to pull my arms off. But I learnt from experience that being frustrated at them wont change a thing. It just makes my lifestyle seem more unappealing.

So saying to you to just help people reduce meat makes you think
>wow, so you're just telling me to support people to have a 5 out of 100 cancer chance instead of 10 out of 100
>you're telling me to kill 5 cows instead of 10
And I get that too. When someone tells me they do a few squats for 5min every other day it hurts. But I know that if they can do as much, why not up it to more exercises for 7min? How about 8min every 3 days? I fucking wish I could make people take brisk walks for 45min minimum and exercise constantly, with stretches at the very least, but I can't. No matter how much I tell them about their health. We already have one of the laziest, weakest, least mobile generations with fucked up backs and everything. I can only imagine how you feel about various animals, environment and human health.

But frustration breeds more frustration. Don't let your passion twist up and drive people away from the world you want to live in.

Stop replying to this baiting faggot, his threads are worse than the daily "neet" threads of 2014

>humans and animals are exactly the same
This is your brain on veganism.
If a veganfag had the choice between saving his child and saving 2 dogs he would save the 2 dogs because in his eyes they would be worth 2x more

both have moral significance because both are moral agents. a child, a mentally retarded person, a female a dog, a pig, and even a nigger are all moral agents. they are not morally insignificant

they can suffer, are sentient and conscious, and dont want to die or be enslaved for your pleasure

heres proof animals are sentient and conscious

youtube.com/watch?v=9WW8JdCLngI
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_consciousness
fcmconference.org/img/CambridgeDeclarationOnConsciousness.pdf
psychologytoday.com/ca/blog/animal-emotions/201711/cows-science-shows-theyre-bright-and-emotional-individuals
theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/jul/07/cows-best-friends
peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/factory-farming/cows/hidden-lives-cows/
news.nationalgeographic.com/2015/07/150714-animal-dog-thinking-feelings-brain-science/
sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/04/150428081801.htm
livescience.com/39481-time-to-declare-animal-sentience.html
theconversation.com/heres-what-the-science-says-about-animal-sentience-88047

??????

if the evidence ive provided isnt enough for you, you obviously arent interested in the subject and just want to dodge

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>youtube
>wikipedia
>evidence
No. You can find holocaust denial videos on youtube despite all the evidence to the contrary, meanwhile wikipedia is a biased platform when it comes to politics and lifestyles

if you can't convince people on your own without posting few million links, then it's not worth the time going vegan.

I think people itt have a skewed view, the world doesn't work like that. Most people would choose the human in a critical scenario. But eating animals is not a life of death thing in your daily life. You can survive without it. There's a difference between deliberate killing of living things and killing out of absolute necessity or during a crisis. It's the same with self defense. You're not allowed to kill people, but if your life is in danger, almost no courts will even slap your wrist for killing in self defense.
Animals are not humans. Dogs are not lions, cats are not frogs, humans are not cows. But we all feel. Some more some less or in ways we cant imagine. So why cause pain to someone who also feels, when it's not necessary?

Based. Are yout anti-natalist? That is the next step of the vegan masterrace. Afterall, existence begats suffering at the insistence of the demiurge.
>fuck meatcucks
>fuck demiurge
>and fuck niggers

A much more mature point of view, the guy I was responding to created a strawman in which he compared the mistreatment of animals to government oppression and murder of humans.

Vegans are mostly right but we do in fact get deficiencies from not eating meat.
It's a lot harder to get adequate iron or b vitamins and it's harder to put on muscle without at least eating eggs.

Yeah, I understand that. That's why I said a lot of views itt are a bit too skewed. Then again, since it's on this board, topics like these devolve into personal attacks back and forth and shitposting.