Pray to god

>pray to God
>no answer
>ask the Mother of God to pray to God
>God answers

being catholic

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>yo God what's poppin?
>i need about tree fiddy
>you still owe 10 from last time!
>i'm good for it
>alright but it's the last time. just ask jesus.

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that feel when you dont understand the language of god.
I can't tell whether he answers or it's just silence and my soul feels empty

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How do I find God bros? He never speaks to me no matter how much I pray

Yeah billions of people need medication

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He works through externals and presents you with opportunities. He respects your free will, if He wanted slaves He would have made them. That even goes for His Angels, it's why we're in this mess in the first place. Intent and patience matter in prayer, so does faith. Remember that it's not wishes from a Genie but the Will of a loving Father who wants to see you be better, or trying to be better.

Sorry if this didn't help, just thought I'd mention some things I've personally learned.

how do I get faith? I feel disrespectful praying because I can't imagine god, so I don't do it.
But I'm desperate to get it, to believe in something

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>pray to the devil
>He appears

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>pray to God for things like good grade on a test I didn't study for
>promise I won't coom for a week or two
>God answers my prayers
trying to quit it for good now, on a 1 month streak, I think? I try not to count. life was good before, but now it's even better.
>try to remember to thank God for everything every night before I go to sleep

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Do you know the rosary? It's a catholic form of prayer. Try praying it and meditate on the mysteries about Jesus Christ and His divinity.
cmri.org/traditional-15-rosary-meditations.shtml

It will give you faith gradually

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got nothing to lose so I might as well try, but like i said I can't help feeling out of place and disrespectful for doing it, it feels empty
I'll do it though, thanks user

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The best way I can describe how I feel faith is trust+belief. If you haven't read the new testament you can try the Gospels to give you an idea. If you need some extra help there are some fantastic youtube channels that aren't preachy and are super informative.

youtube.com/user/jointhebibleproject/playlists

These guys are awesome, they have an entire overview of the Bible with the stories drawn.

youtube.com/channel/UC3vIOVJiXigzVDA2TYqaa0Q/videos

This guy is one of my favourites. He's not really concerned with denominations and has a very grounded view of the texts. Similar to Luke in the Bible who was akin to a Historian.

Good luck mate, your intention matters a lot. Remember that love is the forefront of our belief and His (God) will.

>in the middle of test I didn't study for
>pray to god for an earthquake
>he answers

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You have nothing to feel disrespectful for man. Jesus wants souls to come to Him

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>because I can't imagine god
No one can really do that user, God in actuality is beyond our understanding. But we know that He's here and will carry us through if only we allow Him to.

With praying, it might help you to start with a "pre-deigned" prayer. Find one that you like, really look at it to make sure you know exactly what it means and what you're asking for, and when you say the prayer honestly believe that God will (not can, will) give you exactly what you need. Really the key is trust, God is always with you and looking out for you, it is easy to forget this when life throws you shit but really your life is also full of many blessings. Remember to not just ask for things, but also give thanks for what you have and ask forgiveness for what you've done wrong. I've seen many on here thinking that they've done too much wrong and God would never forgive them, that isn't true, you just have to sincerely repent and accept the forgiveness that is offered.

I will say though that don't pray for crazy or miraculous shit and get pissed when what you specifically ordered doesn't happen. Miracles and crazy shit can happen of course, but like I said earlier God gives you what you need not what you want.

I prayed to God and Satan and Satan never answered me.

i'd never think of praying for material things I guess, it sounds kinda vain. What's a pre deigned prayer?

thano you user, I really appreciate it. I will start by reading

No worries mate, don't worry if it's hard. I found the first 3 Gospels boring but fell in love with John's writing. Just do your best. Good luck : )

why can't i believe?
why can't i just go "oh sure there's a god"
why do i have to think "nah man no evidence fuck that made up junk"
i wish i had some sort of all encompassing relief, but i'm too autistic to belief in something i can't see

i was an autistic athiest when i was a teenager, and would now describe myself as a hardcore monist. it's not that there is suddenly evidence that god exists, it's that my idea what god is changed enough that i can confidently say that one exists. if you learned these same things, i bet the same thing would happen to you, too

and what's your idea of a god?

what isn't God? that's a better question. God is both the world and that which makes the world act. He is the author of the play, its actors, as well as the stage. you might call Him the universe, but that description doesn't quite do Him justice. i would recommend you read the yoga vasistha to gain insight into this idea

>pray to god in my time of desperate need
>no answer
>despair
>pray and pray and pray, for years
>no answer
>lose faith
>despair
>work on myself
>got myself out of this mess
>oh word he's not real
He's not real.
And don't give me that, oh by not answering your prayers he made you better yourself.
Sounds like a thing that doesn't do anything, because it's not there, would do. Or *not* do, rather.
The sky is empty and death is an eternal void and neither is a bad thing.

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>being schizophrenic, having imaginary friends and joining a cult

>he thinks death is real
y i k e s

Doesn't prayer demonstrate a displeasure with His plan for you? Is it not a form of protest? Shouldn't thanks and praise be the only thing that you utter to Him? How dare you be ungrateful and think you could decide what you should have better than He can?

>Doesn't prayer demonstrate a displeasure with His plan for you? Is it not a form of protest? Shouldn't thanks and praise be the only thing that you utter to Him?
no

Consciousness is a process, and when that process ends, so does consciousness. You have a counterargument?

Can you give me a non bullshit answer?

And here's proof that the religious are NPC's.

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im not even riligious

I'm praying right now for your future child and children to be a miscarriage or mentally handicapped dooming you to a lifetime of burden

Hahaha gods plan though you simple bitch

yeah, you can't experience non-consciousness, can you, you dummy? so i guess all you can ever experience is being alive, and so you are untouched by death

it sounds like bullshit, but it isn't. God is what makes the universe go, that's what He is. it's a little bit more in-depth than that, it makes more sense in the context of non-dualism, which is what the resource i gave you would go into more detail about

>I'm praying right now for your future child and children to be a miscarriage or mentally handicapped dooming you to a lifetime of burden
>Hahaha gods plan though you simple bitch
why are you so bitter? did someone hurt you?

Were you saying that prayer expressing displeasure with His plan should be permissible?

Are you afraid or questioning of gods plan giving you a tard?

REPENT, SINNER

Ok, from a phenomenological point of view I can't "experience" death. From an ontological point of view I absolutely will die. I know that I am, and the dead are not. A religious person would disagree with this statement.
Dead is a signifier of that distinction between me and the deceased. Death is the transition from my state to theirs. A religious person denies this form of death, from an ontological perspective. Though it sounds like you agree, if you are pre-supposing that the dead have no consciousness.

>no evidence

World/life be like that if there's no purpose. I was in the same boat...

Look into Islam to find out Who created you and why... but you need proof it's real. Muslims say the Qur'an (Word of God) is this proof as it has yet to be replicated since it was revealed 1400 years ago.

So worth looking into at least. I did and it saved my life.

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"The miraculous nature of the Qur'an is miraculous due to the fact that when we exhaust the reality of the Arabic language - 28 letters, finite grammatical rules and words - we exhaust it... and we [still] can't produce the form of the Qur'an.

If we do anything [to try replicate the Qur'an], it still falls into the category of prose and rhymed prose or poetry."

- Hamza Tzortzis

discussing things outside of a phenomenological point of view is worthless. if you can't experience death, then death for you doesn't exist, period. you can act like death exists for other people, which it does for you, but it doesn't for them, so it is the case for every person that death doesn't exist (and so the statement goes that death doesn't exist, in general).

That's just a cope.
If you take a look at the old Arabian poetry, you'll find it so professional that you wouldn't distinguish between it and Quran anymore.
Yes, Quran got its own "rhythm" and is unique, but it's still in Arabic.
Islam is full of flaws anyways, which is what made leave it.
I've got a fuckton of questions that left unanswered and some of it's principles literally make no sense.

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>old Arabian poetry
The Qur'an was revealed during the time of old Arabian poetry and gave a challenge during that time to replicate the form of the Qur'an. To this day, nothing.

I went to non-Muslim Arabic professors who teach the language in universities to get a balanced view and they said the Qur'an can't have been written by man as they are unable to replicate the form of a single sentence.

I went much further than that, but the above facts are enough evidence. The Qu'ran itself states, if you believe this book is not from God, then replicate a single sentence, yet nothing...

Even have seen those tasked with disproving the Qur'an becoming Muslims after seeing it can't be replicated.

I've also had a lot of questions but got them answered from non-traditional sources. Mind me having a go at those you had? Discord?

I can't experience many abstract states. I can't experience being two dimensional. Does second dimensionality exist? I can't experience separation from myself. Does separation exist?
Bold move dismissing anything outside of phenomenology. I can understand things I can't or won't experience, through the analysis of what must be in order for me to have experience.

What do you mean by replicating it? Replicate the rhythm and structure? By what standard?
Apply strict enough criteria and no work could be replicated.

The miracle of the Qur'an

"The reality of the Arabic language is that everytime you express yourself as a human being, the source text producer - the person who produces text or an oral tradition or orality, whatever the case may be - does so and it always fills itself or can be categorized in:

- Prose, which can be subcategorized into mursal (straightforward speech)
- Saj_ (rhyme prose)

Significantly, there's another literary form called poetry, which according to the poetic patterns, you have: the al bihaar. That's the reality of Arabic language... every time.

So if we use observation, and experience everytime you speak, it's either normal speech, rhyme prose or poetry... every time.

The Qur'an doesn't fit into any of these known forms. That's my point.

My point is this... the miraculous nature of the Qur'an is miraculous due to the fact that when we exhaust the reality of the Arabic language - 28 letters, finite grammatical rules and words - we exhaust it... and we [still] can't produce the form of the Qur'an.

If we do anything [to try replicate the Qur'an], it still falls into the category of prose and rhymed prose or poetry."

- Hamza Tzortzis

On second analysis I do experience separation, as being separate from external things. However, I can't experience non-corporeality. Does non-corporeality exist?

>pray to Lilith
>she answers

God why aren't we cool wit each other? it's your fault I'm a coomer

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It's not really a challenge. It's in Arabic afterall, so it's STILL possible to replicate it.
Also, I don't understand why would God, a being that is BEYOND our understanding, make a religion using Arabic, a language made by humans. That's just dumb.
Same goes for Christians, which just further proves my point.
That's one question, I'll keep asking more throughout this conversation.

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You can postulate that these things exist, but is it meaningful to say that something you can't experience exists? what good is knowledge if it can't be connected to experience?

>It's not really a challenge. It's in Arabic afterall, so it's STILL possible to replicate it.

The form of the Qur'an has yet to be replicated though. The top Arabic poets at the time of its reveal couldn't match it, and to this day, both Muslim and non-Muslim Arabic scholars cannot replicate the form. If the form can be replicated, I'll leave Islam.

>Also, I don't understand why would God, a Being that is BEYOND our understanding, make a religion using Arabic, a language made by humans.

Well that's to show the aspect of the miracle. If it was revealed in a language no one understands, we wouldn't be able to understand a single thing.

A language that is used by humans has certain parameters that are used, which results in Arabic. Yet the Qur'an falls outside all the parameters of the Arabic language yet can still be understood...

See:

They can never reproduce the Furqan. Al Hamdulillah

>If it was revealed in a language no one understands, we wouldn't be able to understand a single thing.
Okay, but why exactly Arabic?
God knows not everyone speaks Arabic, yet he decided to create a religion out of it, how come?
I don't know if Arabic is the best language, or was back then, so I'm not going to argue about that.
But my point is, even if he chooses another language, there would me some kind of predilection, and some will feel unfair.

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