Why are people forced to go to work during a pandemic?

what's your emergency fund look like? how long did you save it for?

boomers just lost half their life savings

People who work 40 hours a week still can't afford things even though they work full time because minimum wage or slightly above isn't enough to live off in US. A lot of people can't save anything because they literally pay all of their money into rent and other necessities.

But more often than not it is a bitch and then you die.

you dont need to be saving for decades to have a fund saved to live without work for a few months.

>corona is basically poison to boomers
>still have to work because of boomer bullshit after being infected
You know what you must do Michael. Be the change you want to see in this world.

>you dont need to be saving for decades to have a fund saved to live without work for a few months.
On entry level jobs, yeah you probably would you moron.

As someone who had to do it before moving up in his workplace, you can definitely live off of minimum wage in America as long as you aren't some entitled retard with low impulse control and a consoomer brain.

The main things that would get in the way are having a kid, which is entirely avoidable and a shit decision unless you're already financially stable, or having some sort of debt like student loans in which case you shouldn't be making minimum wage unless you picked a worthless degree.

What about medical debt for people who have no insurance because they are too poor to afford it? Or people who have to support sick relatives? Or just someone who lives in an expensive area like California or NY?

Or we could just not fire people for getting ill, that's another decent alternative instead of expecting people to save a good 10 grand because retarded boomer managers can't deal with an employee being off for a week or two

That can't be fucking true

you dont pay rent, somebody comes to your house and drags you to the street.

imagine being a corporate bootlicker

Why hasnt anybody pointed out that he's likely "employed" through grubhub or ubereats or something like that
I dont know any Chinese places that deliver outside of those sites and I live in a city

This guy is a retard. People's fucking LIVES and fighting the spread of a DEADLY VIRUS are more important that your ability to eat and pay rent. He should ask his family/friends/employer to help get food, I'm sure they will help in this situation. Mother fucker

The only people who're at risk are old people, and it's old people who created this retard tier work culture so in the end they reap what they sow

>help from below minimum wage delivery job
kek good joke user, gave me a nice laugh

my job said they are going to stay open until the state forces us to close. i'm calling out tomorrow they can go fuck themselves.

because you wanted capitalism

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Hospitals and shit will work with people who are truly indigent, and anyone working a 40 hour job like the post I orginally replied too should be able to afford basic coverage or get on the plan their job has anyways.

Supporting someone is a choice, if someone is making minimum wage they shouldn't have taken on that responsibility just like they shouldn't get a pet or a Netflix subscription.

If you live in a place where the cost of living is high, fucking move. Simple stuff really.

>get on the plan their job has anyways.
many minimum wage jobs don't have plans

>Supporting someone is a choice
supporting a sick/dying family member is a choice?

>fucking move
see above

If the cost of living is low that's probably because there's no jobs there

good let the sickness of capitalism spread and burn it all to the ground. Consume and be consumed a fitting end to this sick system.

I'm guessing you don't live in the USA.
Paid sick is a luxury for most of the country. Get sick, stay home, miss a paycheck, and possibly go homeless or go to work sick? Simple choice for most.
We have a system where getting an ambulances called on you can be more dangerous than the cops. It's a system that docks low income workers paychecks for worthless insurance. Both can leave you fucking broke, especially if you can only afford $20/mo with a $6000 deductible (the amount you pay until the insurance steps in).

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>are more important that your ability to eat and pay rent
Good luck convincing anyone to give a shit about others when it comes to being able to eat. I would go as far to say that the majority of life on Earth would prioritize sustenance and shelter over the welfare of their environment.

>people don't want to starve or freeze to death

wow! who woulda thought

Then buy one on the market if you're worried about the possibility of getting sick and being stuck with bills.

Yes, absolutely, how could it not be? Even if you feel a moral or ethical obligation to do something it is still your choice to do it or not and you can't put any potential consequences off on anyone but yourself at the end of the day.

See above.

Imagine being this retardedly reductive.

I hope this disease culls all the psychopathic boomers so we can finally get rid of this retard tier mindset.

>Then buy one on the market if you're worried about the possibility of getting sick and being stuck with bills.
Have you ever shopped for insurance? Do you even have a job?

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>retard tier work culture
where they earn money for labor
>so in the end they reap what they sow
by earning money for labor
What does this mean?

>240 a month for an 8k deductible
i love it, you're basically paying just to use your own money

Jesus Christ that's terrible, i didn't knew your health care was that fucked up i know Americans had to pay a fortune but that's just sad

Moving to a new location is expensive. If you are moving between states it can cost thousands of dollars. What are people supposed to do who can't afford it? Also most jobs do not offer insurance to their low level employees or employees opt out of it because they can't afford to lose so much money paying for it. Supporting a family member is just something that happens to people.

the insurance lobby is very protective of what they have
just don't be poor and don't get sick

This falls apart in a pandemic situations where forcing people into work literally gets people killed. It's why trying to run on pure capitalism is dumb because it doesn't react well to freak situations like this. It's why most sane countries force companies to make exceptions for these moments, but american boomers are all braindead and thus will all die this time.

>Moving to a new location is expensive.
More expensive than staying in a more expensive location?

If you ran out of arguments just say so.

No, I never have shopped for insurance, and I have a fairly well paying job. As a healthy and prudent young man I don't waste my money on it as I don't need it.

I lost almost 8k moving from an expensive state to one of the cheapest states in the country. Cleaned out my savings and I've only barely managed to make it.

>delivering Chinese food
clearly the restaurant is just trying to keep up its authentic Chinese reputation

depends, do you apply for a job and then find a place or find a place and then apply for a job?
it's a catch-22

what do you work as, just curious?

A medical pandemic can harm any political system.
Also, if a bunch of old people that are dependent on Medicaid and social security die, could it possibly be beneficial after some short term economic turbulence?

Do you have any parents or grandparents? Do you not care if they die?

I mean if your system literally requires killing people off to succeed it's probably not great in the long run. There are more adaptive ways to run it without killing everyone in the process if you apply a bit of brainpower, you don't have to go either full socialism or capitalism, work dynamically and reign corporate interests when it's in the public (ie consumer) good to do so.

>Also, if a bunch of old people that are dependent on Medicaid and social security die, could it possibly be beneficial after some short term economic turbulence?
Pretty sure the lifeblood of the US health insurers are boomers. Have them all die unexpectedly and suddenly you have a relatively healthy population with no real need for insurance. It would be a catastrophe

Do you think the move was more beneficial in terms of long-term financial success? What kinds of expenses added up to $8,000?
It would be far more rational to find a job before moving.

>It would be far more rational to find a job before moving.
that's the issue. who is going to hire someone outside of the area for non-skilled labor. as an employer that is a massive risk

Sales department for a games distributor. I literally started there moving cardboard boxes around a few years ago but now I get to type in numbers about those cardboard boxes instead.

I haven't managed to save more than a few hundred back so it was not worthwhile. Healthcare is more expensive in this state, cost of food is more expensive, I need air conditioning in the summer that I didn't need before. Less programs to help poor people. I am doing slightly better but it didn't turn out to be as good as I had hoped.

Cost included
>rental truck
>gasoline
>first and last rent
>deposit
>hotel fees because the truck was driven with a friend so also I paid for their food
>plane ticket for person who helped me drive to go back home
>electric deposit of $300
>buying new things I left behind like toiletries and groceries

>pet fees (yes I had a pet when I moved, family pet I'd had since childhood and my mom dumped him on me)
Pets are optional of course but the expense for keeping it was close to $1,000

>movers to take things from new house
>movers to put things in new house

On top of that I lost a couple of paychecks in the process while waiting to start my new job. That was with transferring to a job that was waiting, I imagine for people who need to find work it would be near impossible without losing a very large chunk of money.

I can't remember if there's other things, that's just off the top of my head. It took me almost ten years to save that money so it was a big deal to lose it.

I have one grandparent left and I do not want her to die, but it is very possible that she would if she were infected with the virus.
>if your system literally requires killing people off to succeed
That alone sounds like communism/fascism.
Could you clarify? I'm not too familiar with health insurance companies (and am just throwing out hypotheticals for discussion), but wouldn't the most ideal situation for health insurance companies be to have more healthy customers that pay while making less claims? Old people probably require more care. Sure, they'd lose them as customers, but they'd be losing customers that they pay out more money too.
As far as government-forced care goes, that would be less of a burden on the taxpayers if old people weren't collecting.

>Just have money that you don't have, bro

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>Putting away your hard earned cash incase a once in a millennium plague might strike

Sorry kid, I dont think more then a day ahead. Fuck society and everyone else.

I might be wrong here but I see it like this: sick people spend the vast majority of their income on sick care. Now, if insurers actually charged a fair market value for services, I could understand your model. However, they're free to charge thousands of dollars for routine procedures. Hell, prices from state to state are not even consistent, leading to differences in tens of thousands.
Now, if you have a population that doesnt really use their insurance and pays $30 a month, is that really better than a sicker older person paying $30 a month + X for Y number of hospital visits?

Well yeah, it's different with unskilled labor, but you should do some budgeting, compare different locations, and calculate whether it's worth it.
It could even be a matter of paying $500 less per month in rent if you're willing to drive a longer distance to work.
Regardless, it still makes far more sense to have a job lined up if you're moving.
That's a lot of money. How far was the move? Last move of mine cost me less than $100 for the truck (excluding a deposit), but it was in-state and I did it all myself aside from a friend who helped load up the truck for beers and some lunch.
So no hotels, no movers, no plane ticket, no pets.
I'm also obviously not including wages or rent.