I'm Yas Forums, confident and dont have anxiety nor low self esteem but women dont seem to be attracted to me and normies think I should change who I am completely in order to have a personality thats more attractive. Whats the appeal in that? If Im putting on a mask then I dont see whats the point since no girl will love me for who I am.
Do normies have no sense of individuality and just mold themselves like a chameleon to whatever situation presents itself?
To add, I differentiate between functional traits and personality traits. I can understand why one should follow advice on becoming more confident or assertive but thats not my problem. What normies seem to suggest is that I should just stop being myself despite being who I am because thats how I prefer to be.
Its your bonestructure (body length by spine and leg bones, facial structure by cheek and chin bones)
If you dont research this or accept it you will just fumble in the dark forever.
When someone has a girl they are going to go on a date with, the advice is "just be yourself bro".
When someone is simply trying to attract a girl, the advice is "just change your personality bro".
This is the normie way.
Mate it cant possibly be my appearance. Every time I post myself Im always told I look fine and that its just my personality without any further explanation which is why Im making this thread. Pic related is me.
if thats genuinely what you look like you have to be fucking up hard to not catch a girl. you simply must be. you must be severely lacking in game if you really cant make it work with that good of a hand. just get better at human interactions? better at speaking to wimin? idk m8 really the ball is in your court. stop fucking up
This is what Im talking about. Why does speaking to someone have to be a game and why on earth would a girl want me to play around with their emotions like its a game. I believe you should just talk to somebody and thats it, not have to learn how to manipulate someone into liking you.
If that's you, your problem is definitely not your physique. If you want further explanations as to how your personality is fucked up, we'd have to see your interactions with a girl. Could also be that your standards are too high, because even if you are a sperg, you should be able to get some looking like that.
its not about manipulating someone into liking you its about. its about proving to any potential partner you arent a serial killer. subconsciously you brain analyzes how someone is acting or talking or anything and is giving you an impression of that person and it's good or bad accordingly. its how humans are. you arent carefully observing someone to form an opinion; you always have an opinion about someone who you might've just seen for the first time; based on how you see them acting. Well women do it too, and giving off behaviour that they might see as weird or otherwise wrong will inevitability lead to them having a feeling of disdain. its why you need to be confident too. so you should focus on not being a fucking outcast. you could also just try to become friends with women, so they might understand you better before they feel like they have to commit to a relationship with a weirdo. because that could be your barrier to entry; is just all the girls you know thinking your a weirdo. but im sure if they knew you those feelings would change.
>I believe you should just talk to somebody and thats it
even if you believe thats the case (and i agree) this is still the way society is governed and you gotta play by the rules
You're supposed to attract women to you. Your attitude of "I worked out so women should flock to me" us childish and retarded.
>Do normies have no sense of individuality and just mold themselves like a chameleon to whatever situation presents itself?
Thats right. You need to learn to read people and adjust your behavior to build a connection and rapport with them. You need to mimic their body language and tone of voice. Try to establish some common experiences and make them laugh or feel secure about them. This is a very basic social skill and should come instinctively to humans.
Well Im not a mean person and treat people kindly so I dont see how theyd suspect me of being a serial killer. Sure Im weird but that shouldnt be a reason to change myself. If there is a practical reason behind why people act normal besides social rejection then id comply but the reason is always do it or else and that just isnt good enough for me.
I didnt say that although I see how you can interpret it that way. I only mentioned the fact to dispel that being a reason why women dont seem to be attracted to me.
And what can I do about the fact that I dont care much for what women tend to find attractive.
Yes
And that is superior to "just b urself" bs
Thats sounds sociopathic to me. I want to connect to peoples real souls, not a fake version of themselves. I have ZERO interest in fake people and fake relationships in any degree and dont see why anyone would unless they were desperate. Tbh Id rather just fap for the rest of my life then have a fake relationship with a girl for the rest of it and never being myself or practicing what I believe people should be like.
I mean, you guys have cleared things up a bit for me but Im pretty sure Im going to remain for the rest of my life honestly. People rarely seem to value integrity like I do and its unfortunate, but thats that.
>I want to connect to peoples real souls, not a fake version of themselves.
Such sincere relationships rarely exist in our time. Most people look for profit in a friendship. Whether it be sexual satisfaction, money or something else.
Also her ass smells like vanilla, don't ask me how I know why.
Learn to read the mood. I bet you're cool guy. Just dial your coolnest a bit.
>its not about manipulating someone into liking you its about. its about proving to any potential partner you arent a serial killer.
What If I have legitimately killed multiple people in my life? How do I talk to girls without them catching on to it?
>real relationship
>real people
>real soul
They're meat machines, thats what real people are. There is no divine spark and there is nothing lurking beneath the surface. Relationships are just a social structure so people can work together for common goals. It requires compromise and action. You will not be guided by the invisible hand of fate into an ideal and perfect emotional experience. There is no plot in life. If you want that experience watch a movie or read a book or something.
Tell them beforehand that you're not a serial killer
Not the same user.
How can you bear to live thinking that?
OP, you look like a dudebro but you're really a pretty cool dude, bro
Best of luck
Is anyone specific about WHAT is wrong with your personality? It might be there are things you can work on like you overshare too early or talk too much or not enough or whatever. These are things you can fake without compromising yourself.
Or do they give you useless non-specific "be different" advice?
>Do normies have no sense of individuality and just mold themselves like a chameleon to whatever situation presents itself?
Yes, you kinda nailed it there.
It's not even malicious or anything like that, they simply have no idea how to actually be themselves so they be what everyone thinks they should be.
To truly be yourself and be okay with it is to find happiness, it may not bring you a gf but you will have a level of understanding that others who stick themselves in endless shitty relationships will ever have.
I'm sorry you're an npc, friendo. Maybe in the next lifetime you'll gain a fragment of a soul and can work from there.
> the people who do manage to attract women must all be NPC bugmen with no individuality
>unlike me the real individual human bean
>yeah that's totally it
>I'm just too REAL and AUTHENTIC to attract women
Or you're just refusing to play a social game, but continue to feel entitled to the rewards of said game. I bet you think small talk is beneath you too, don't you?
>friendo
Kill yourself with your cutsie uwu bullshit
>Why does speaking to someone have to be a game and why on earth would a girl want me to play around with their emotions like its a game
Because women are fucking emotional. Stop projecting what you believe women should like onto them and accept that they're fucking dumb as a box of rocks. Having "game" just means you fit a specific criteria that most women will generally like, it doesn't mean that you should walk around being a manipulative cunt. Women, by nature, hover around the average of the bell curve in terms of everything. They follow trends set by other women and most will refuse to budge from that point unless their peers do it first. Very rarely will you find a woman that behaves outside of where the average resides. They like to blame it on society, but it's more or less nature.
How old is she? What y'all think
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yea, don't waste your time lying about who you are. most of the people who tell you this shit are part of the red pill creepy manosphere thing, these guys are all trying to mold you into some type of fuckboy player that doesn't give a shit about anything and just fucks. it's fucking stupid and to me its just a roundabout way of being a complete simp, they play this mind game where they tell themselves they are doing it solely for themselves, but in reality they are doing it to cater to certain types of women, usually dumb club sluts.
red pill is dead as far as im concerned, it's completely outdated.
Again. You're a child.
The number one reason I am not interested in the men who approach me is because they are boring.
So don't be boring, user.
So be you, just don't be fucking boring.
Then why do we act like there is any significance and expect people to go out of their way for someone they dont genuinely love when everything is fundamentally sociopathic in its purpose. Why not simply admit to this fundamental reality if we are all in agreement that theres nothing to it?
Its always the same non specific advice. Look in this thread and you can see.
Yeah Im completely at peace with myself my friend. I used to have bad anxiety and literally feel zero anxiety now. I stopped trying to be accepted and just said fuck it now I feel a lot better, but of course itd be nice to have a gf.
Yes I am refusing to play a social game. Ive clearly stated that and Ive never expressed entitlement. The main point of my op is trying to get an explanation as to what the appeal of such a lifestyle is because I dont seen one except for pussy. But pussy without emotional connection is basically a prostitute to me and not worth the effort.
Again, you are incapable of explaining yourself and resort to insults.
Biiiiitch aleeeeert
It's hard not to be boring around someone you've just met
Men likely approach you because of the wet hole between your legs. Get off your high horse.
you arent entitled to entertaining men
Many people do. Dont you see people constantly complaining about liars, sociopaths and manipulators?
Good one tranny. You are funny.
>But pussy without emotional connection is basically a prostitute to me and not worth the effort.
Pussy without an emotional connection is just pussy. There is no monetary transaction, therefore it's not prostitution. If you don't want to "play the game," I don't see why any of this would even bother you in the first place.
>I want a roller coaster of emotions
>please give me the roller coaster of emotions
While I don't have any issues with being boring upon meeting women, a lot of guys aren't. If you see a dude at least trying, give him a bit to open up. There's a lot of stuff on social media and just pumped through the air waves that would give any dude second thoughts about even trying.
I have a dick and balls and a natural desire to mate. Once again question is what the appeal such a convoluted lifestyle has over being straight.
man i wanna grasp her hips so bad
holy shit, if this dude cant get a gf the odds must be worse for robots
I'm in the exact same boat as you user. Let me tell you that this place is the worst possible way to get out of where we are and I can already tell you're falling for its bullshit. You're not too far gone yet though.
Women dont want you to play with their emotions. They want you to be a guy they get alone with. What guys who arent those guys do is play with their emotions and this is what normies are telling you to do.
I personally refuse to do that, and it sounds like you do to. It won't make us happy.
What we have to do is polish up social skills but otherwise stay true to ourselves and stay the fuck away from social adaptation and shit. That'll get you pussy, but it wont get you a girl.
Good luck user.
>Once again question is what the appeal such a convoluted lifestyle has over being straight.
If you have a dick and balls with a desire to mate, either you "play the game" and get pussy / a potential girlfriend or you don't. No harm, no foul. You can play the field and be straight with people all you want; I am. I don't have any issues. I think the problem is that you see this more as a (zero sum) game instead of a dance. Social interactions like this aren't zero sum, especially in the context of whether or not you get laid / a girlfriend out of it. If you see it as one, I highly encourage you to reconsider how you view these interactions.
Have you read any literature on relationship formation and its expression as proximity>similariry>reciprocity>disclosure? You seem analytical and to value truth. Normalfags may engage in interaction with chameleon like strategies, but you wont have to if you familiarize yourself with the underlying mechanisms.
You're right. I'm not. But I have the choice, they are an option, they exist, and being boring is shit competition in comparison. Women aren't entitled to entertaining men, and men aren't entitled to women, and being boring certainly isn't going to increase your options.
Personality plays a massive role in men compared to women in the long term
No girl is gonna go OMG his personaliyu but if you can hook em in with looks personality will keep them reeled
Money is the ultimate card to play tho
you aren't entitled to options
No one is. Point?
user if you're still here go practice with some cougars 45+, they can give you a lot of insight
Do you think those men only pursue (You)? They have options as well and a woman acting like she deserves entertainment is shit competition to the more good natured and humble women out there.
Anyway, women don't age well on the dating market. If you keep rejecting men for random bullshit, you'll end up alone. Your options will only get worse with each passing year. If you pause for a second, I'm sure you can already hear it. It's the sound of your biological clock ticking away.
just lift they said, just be a chad they said
Nah, I'm entertaining as fuck. That's how I got my boyfriend. I asked him out even. And we don't want kids, they fucking suck.
If a guy doesn't want to date boring girls he doesn't have to. I'd advise against it too. Boring girls are fucking obnoxious and expect you to carry a conversation and usually only have one or two word replies to contribute. Miss me with that shit. Guys deserve better and if a girl thinks she can get by simply by virtue of having a pussy, then well pity the guy who dates her for not having more self respect.
Do you seriously expect a relationship built on hedonism to last a long time? Assuming you can stay together until you reach your forties, he'll still have the option to go start a family with a younger woman. You won't. You may think children suck now, but a lot of people change their mind down the road. Better hope he doesn't become one of them. Even if you both keep your preference for entertaining people, he's probably gonna want some fresh meat by then. He'll have options. You won't. Not a good long term plan, imo. Much less so for a woman.
>women don't seem to be attracted to me.
This is your first mistake. Women generally don't approach men and they always try to act calm. You don't know if women aren't attracted to you. There was a friend of my sister that kept visiting us and we barely talked. I didn't care for her and I felt like she didn't care for me but I finally knew that she was attracted to me and said I was handsome because my sister told me. There was absolutely no way I would guess that she was attracted to me. The whole signs shit is a lie. Believe me at some point there was a girl getting wet after you but she never showed it.
you aren't entitled to a point
that's how you fall into the pua trap of approaching every woman you are slightly interested in because "she might be interested." it's stupid, most girls who are interested in you will give you signals, just because some hide their feelings for you doesn't mean you should ignore signals, girls who hide everything are just retards. or, more likely, you just didn't pick up on what she was giving off, which is far more likely
Man, you're really stretching, dudecles. So many assumptions from some scant sentences.
You sound like a forty year old Christian woman. Oh you two will definitely want kids some day your vagina is going to all shrivel up and dry! I said we don't want them, not that I don't want them. He'd probably leave me if I got preggers and decided to keep it. So maybe you don't respect my lowly womanly life choices, but maybe you'll accept that a big intelligent man will know that he doesn't want a live with sleepless nights and poopy diapers?
Man, I pity the woman that dates you, since you'll be off looking for fresh meet as soon as she starts showing some crow's feet. It's comments like that make me glad I'm out of the dating scene.
Anyway, guess its a good thing I'm already ugly, since I know my guy won't wander off chasing tail or whatever. And he can already have all the fresh young things he wants right now anyway. He always turns down my suggestions for a threesome. Can you give me some advice about that? Since you seem to know the mental state of all men, universally. I'm bi and I'd really like to give it a shot but he's not game.
First of all, stop trying for 10/10. Settle for 4/10 and build slowly up over years. If thats not enough, It's because you are retarded or not "unique" enough. Oh sure you got the physique and height. That used to be enough. I have slightly (1cm) below average height, which means women dont even glance at me. However I have fucked my way up to 8/10s, which is insane for my height. How? Back in the days there was a guy who ran a blueprint pickup seminar. You have to understand the pedestals, cultivate a strong inner personality with interests and hobbies which have nothing to do with women at all. You need friends who you can go out with at first, as a social crutch, to get used to being in a certain playful and carefree mood.
lmao get a load of this roast
I am glad to see you're coming around to my side of things.
can i smell your pussy now?
I don't know, little Friedrich, CAN you?
im imagining what your pussy smells like right now and you cant do anything about it how about that
Pretty sure that's just what it's like to be a woman.