Is it true that women prefer assholes over nice guys or is it just incel bullshit, Yas Forums?

I don't date men who aren't nice to me and I don't date everyone who is nice to me, being nice is cool and all but you need to have other positive qualities too.

Being nice is not a personality trait. Everyone is nice. The "asshole" mentality you're thinking about is literally one facet of someone's personality. Dollars to doughnuts, the "asshole" turns softer than baby shit when he's not around anyone else but her.

t. asshole that drowns in pussy

So you are saying that the only thing that matters is having your shit together and not being a limp little pussy?

A "nice guy" isn't just a guy who's nice. You have to read into it more, fully understand that women are too simplistic of creatures to fully vocalize what it is they actually mean when they attempt to use words.

See:
As a start.

>You're all familiar with the trope. The subconscious loser mentality of doing enough token deeds to cash in for sex at some point. Beyond pathetic.

>If he's nice and insecure and a mess, that's bad
Well I've lost

>The problem lies in the confluence dumb brainwashed fatherless women have in the difference between 'kind man' and 'weak man'.
tftfy

>The subconscious loser mentality of doing enough token deeds to cash in for sex at some point. Beyond pathetic.
This is such a female way of looking at things, that is truly pathetic here. Normal people bond together over shared experiences and doing things with and for each other, and develop a relationship.

Women don't even get the concept of a real emotional relationship, it's just sex and favors to them.

Niceness is definitely a personality trait. I don't understand why society downplays niceness and kindness when they're essentially the most important traits person can have. I know they sound like something people use as filler words in their dating profiles, but you will really miss those traits once you meet someone and feel the absence of niceness the other associated traits. Some people learn to be careful in the kitchen after burning their hand on stove, some people learn to appreciate niceness after being in abusive relationship.

I never understood this nice guy meme.
>talk to women in hopes that one bright day you develop romance with one of them
>this is bad and manipulative niceguy behavior

>Talk to someone only in hope that they will someday fuck you
>Instead of doing this in a straight up way that reveals that you want NSA you basically subvert your personality to be as fucking bland and infofensive as possible
>End up wanting to date a girl just to fuck them (usually not realizing this) despite never allowing your personality to actually interact

Assholes exist because women breed with assholes. read a text book for once in your life, yes women like guys who are big and dont give a fuck about them

Try being a legit asshole and see if women ask you out. Incels will never learn what it really means to be a good boyfriend.

Fuck off redditor die.

The fact that non of you even cared to glance at this retarded thread with disgust (especially with that screenshot) means you can all fuck off too.

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Do you even have a girlfriend, bud?

Girlfriend what has what I said got to do with girlfriends you muppet?

>muppet
Underage? Still single?

Fuck I meant to put a question mark agh.

I know exactly what you're doing

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you sound like a person that needs to have sex user

I don't even know what my real personality is

I know exactly what you are not doing. Sex

>QUICK CALL HIM A VIRGIN NOWWW
I'm not going to entertain you.

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>the only thing that matters is having your shit together and not being a limp little pussy?
Well yeah.
A vagina doesn't fix mental illness, you gotta do that yourself. But once that's sorted you're pretty much good to go.

Women are with assholes because they werent assholes when they got with them but they are stuck with them due to financial dependence or abuse
Women who like being abused do it as a kink, and it isnt what they are looking for as a genuine character trait in a man

I think that men who have options can afford to treat women differently

Yes. I never had any success with women except one in my late 20s until she broke my heart. After that eventually that hurt grew into hate and disgust towards her and women by extension and these past years suddenly I find women want me. The catch is I don't give a shit about them anymore and only care so far as getting my dick wet so I'm still unhappy. The experience has really just confirmed by feelings which were just projection at first that women are trash.

Why don't you just get into a niche fetish and become a scat master or daddy dom?

Generally I think this type of discussion people equate what you're saying to as jealousy and bitterness. If you observe though typically they like guys that are assholes they mistake red flags and social faux passes as confidence when they're just picking and choosing from whomever will be persistent enough to try and get their dick wet so they can play hard to get and sort out simps that are easy to manipulate into doing things for them like favors/material benefits/ect. so it doesn't seem like they're doing that or they think it looks bad for their public image.

>I'm not going to entertain you.

but you have already replied

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So favors basically range from like physical protection they want you to act like an enforcer/body guard, chauffeur them around, material benefits like a place to live rent free, buying them stuff. If you pump and dump they're angry it didn't work and you're a bad guy for not letting her worm around in your brain trying to manipulate your actions and behaviors you were only pretending to be nice. When they get stuck in those relationships they like to play the victim that it stopped working for sympathy points, sort of like the female equivalent of neet good boy points they get to spend with other females for favors or with other simps they want to target for manipulation.

But what do I know, that's just like my opinion.

thing is "being nice" is the standard, rarely do you meet people who you don't consider to be "nice", most people are polite, lend a hand when you need, etc. so when a lot of guys come out with this idea of "wtf i'm such a nice guy why does she date assholes" what they don't realize is that they also experience nice people from other places, so they're not really different from the rest in that aspect, and if you're not unique why would you consider yourself more atractive than the rest of the masses? and often those guys confuse being an asshole with being confident and playful, other times they see the other dude as an asshole simply because the dude is an asshole to them but not necessarily to the girl they like.

point is, no, women don't tend to go towards assholes, they often just enjoy someone they feel safe around who's also very playful and matches their humour (this is not counting looks ofc, that's a whole different can of worms), however they often end up with assholes due to the same reason a lot of men end up with cunts, they just don't realize the red flags and then fall into the sunk cost fallacy, why go from this toxic environment with bursts of happiness here and there to being alone and having to start all over again when i've already put so much into this relationship?

HOWEVER, there is an epidemic of women not just saying "hey, i'm really not interested in you that way, could you either a. stop acting like that or b. leave me alone, as i'm not comfortable.", so often you end up with dudes who follow chicks around lead on by a string thinking they have a chance, that's increadibly fucked up, i realize in certain contexts why it happens but most of the cases i've witnessed i just felt bad for the dude

Women never ask anyone out, though.

here's another thing, being nice isn't that virtuous, being nice and good are not the same thing at all, someone who is good is someone who is willing to do good for the sake of goodness, they don't just help the chicks they like, they also go out of their way to get grandma her pills, to help a friend who is flunking a class study properly, etc all without expecting something in return, and often the guys that consider themselves to be good have this perception that because they "are good" they deserve the attention they want, and that's not what being a good person is about, a good person just does good for the sake of doing good, not to get something in return, thus why a lot of "nice guys" are often massive self interested assholes.

>>thing is "being nice" is the standard, rarely do you meet people who you don't consider to be "nice", most people are polite, lend a hand when you need, etc.
Where the fuck do you live, I want to move there and exploit every retard around you to the fullest extent possible, sounds like some Star Trek utopia.

idk rarely have i encountered people who were just pure cunts straight out of the gate, the real assholes were usually people with deep underlying issues you only realize after months hanging out with them, the rest i just equate to people having a bad day, but for the most part, even while working with clients all day during my teen years, most of the people i met and talked too were extremely nice.

hell i remember in my first job they sent me in there with no preperation and i just made a mess of things for a solid month and a half but after explaining the situation to clients they were all extremely nice and understood the situation. sure ocasionally i'd get the "demanding, self righouts cunt" but i mean 1 in every 100 ain't that bad imo.

>that's not what being a good person is about, a good person just does good for the sake of doing good
Not according to Christianity or Kant, the basic tenets that our entire civilization was built on.

There's literally nothing in "do unto others as you would have them do unto you" or "act in such a way that your actions can become an universal law" that says "just be a retarded simp forever" and you're seriously misrepresenting this because you're either a sociopathic Jew yourself, or a brainwashed retard.

There is no society without the social contract and people like you are just desperately trying to weasel out of having to uphold their end of it.

>not doing bad things isn't good, you have to go out of your way to virtue signal
that roastie hamster wheel in full rotation on this one

Guess you're just very attractive then.

you have no idea why someone is "good" or not, you have no idea what is going on in their head. you can easily turn this into 'everyone nice is a covert manipulative narcissist' if you want to.

everyone should just be a complete cunt, because people like you will then start complaining about how no one is nice anymore. you have the brain of a woman and you have no idea what you want

>exploit someone's niceness
>they get angry for being mistreated
>use their anger as evidence of them not being actually nice and as means to retroactively justifying exploiting them

what?

who the fuck spoke about virtue signalling your intentions, you just don't need to go and do good for the sake of getting something back, you're not a good person if you help others for the sake of being helped back and nothing else. also not doing bad shit isn't even "doing good", doing good implies an action, people expect you to not do bad things

lmao no

my point is that if you do good deeds for the sake of getting something back then your intentions and moral character ought to be called into question, which is often what those nice guys do, they act like good people in order to look virtuous in front of females and get sex in return, which is rather obvious when they bitch about the fact that stacy went with chad instead of them, as in they had expectations, revealing that they did want something in return for the way they acted

i literally point out that people who do that are fucked up in the previous post

>if you do good deeds for the sake of getting something back then your intentions and moral character ought to be called into question
See dumb cunt. And read a fucking book.

>my point is that if you do good deeds for the sake of getting something back then your intentions and moral character ought to be called into question, which is often what those nice guys do, they act like good people in order to look virtuous in front of females and get sex in return, which is rather obvious when they bitch about the fact that stacy went with chad instead of them, as in they had expectations, revealing that they did want something in return for the way they acted

you obviously haven't thought about this much. everyone always does something good with the intention of getting something in return, the thing they are getting in return is feeling good about themselves. you can make the same argument in this case and say this person is being selfish because they are getting something out it. your just spouting some ridiculous fairy tale version of being 'good' that pretty much doesn't exist other than in fictional stories.
here i can play the same game with you. if you feel good after you doing something good, then you are being selfish because you shouldn't feel good about doing something moral.
do you see how fucking stupid that is?

They like either if you're hot enough

That's the Jew mind trick they pulled over people, you're supposed to come to the conclusion that doing good is "selfish" no matter how you look at it, so might as well fuck up society by taking whatever you can from whoever you can.

For Pete sake I do not know how many times I have to explain it
Girls are able to think with their ovaries as much as men think with their penis and also most of the guys who call themselves nice guys have nothing going on other than their bland inoffensiveness
In conclusion girls like if you are nice to them but it will not automatically grant you pussy

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>people expect you to not do bad things
No they don't, it's why we have a criminal justice system in every part of the world. All authority is derived from violence. The threat of retaliatory violence whether it's physical or otherwise is the basis of all behavioral expectations. The fact people having guiding rules about what conditions to do such thing like religion gets tied into how those rules develop. Fundamentally you seem to assume the default state of human mammals is to just not do bad things despite every day that's ever existed in history someone was going around doing something bad, with or without intent. You're quite naive or just a horrible judge of character.

it's worse than that. these 'nice guys' are usually just ugly betas, and women don't want to just say they aren't attracted to them because they are ugly, but it pisses them off because they can't really complain about a guys 'decent' behavior, so they turn that behavior into some vile and disgusting and manipulative because that gives them an excuse to turn them down. it also saves them from thinking of themselves as superficial.
it's so transparent.

i get your point but i really don't see doing something good because it makes you feel good in the same line as doing something good to get something out of it from the other person, which is exactly what i'm critiquing in nice guys.

but yea, i guess i could have chosen better words, but my point still stands that if you do good shit to purely get something out of someone then you're not really a good person

when the fuck did we take the jump to fucking law, people don't expect you to act like a cunt to those around you in terms of just being an asshole, the norm is being polite and respectful, when you leave the house and talk to a stranger do you just walk up to them expecting them to do something bad like being rude or ignoring you? stay on the subject or shut the fuck up

the problem is the expectation of having something in return, women don't give a FUCK if you're decent, most people they hang out with are decent to them, why the fuck would that alone be the only defining trait that would make them atractive, and it's fucking clear they're only nice to stacy in other to score puss when they bitch about the fact that they went with someone else instead when THEY were the "nice ones"

You're being a shit here. Nobody says niceness and kindness are bad. "Niceguys" are neither.

>but my point still stands that if you do good shit to purely get something out of someone then you're not really a good person

your definition of a good person is some absurd jesus like figure lol. people do good things because it makes them feel good and hopefully someone does something good for you in the future. there is nothing wrong with this. you take this out of the equation and everything turns into some fucking psychopathic barter negotiation.

>people don't expect you to act like a cunt to those around you in terms of just being an asshole
Yes they do. That's absolutely expected. Do you live in a small isolated village with less than a hundred people total?
>when you leave the house and talk to a stranger do you just walk up to them expecting them to do something bad like being rude or ignoring you?
Yes I do, actually I don't mind if they're rude or ignore me. That's the least offensive thing they can do. Most people will try to steal or physically fight you. I don't carry a pistol around everywhere because people aren't polite enough. Real world people will absolutely harm you if they think there is a single hope they can get away with it. It's amazing how you are telling me I'm off subject when you have a reply chain of a ton of people telling you how wrong you are in multiple different ways. You're flipping delusional girl.

No I think you're just selfish.

ok, why do you have a computer? go sell your computer and give the money to a homeless person.

i literally say that i don't see that as the same thing as me doing something good to you in order to get something out of you, it's right in the first line and i even admit i could have written the argument better.

Oh you're a retard. Doing selfless things doesn't mean everything you do is selfless.

sorry that i made you uncomfortable even though you are being selfish

You didn't. I'm not sure what you're talking about now.

As far as I'm aware research on the subject suggests that Dark Triad traits are more attractive to women than any other kind, so it is true, after a manner. It's not as simple as "treat them like shit," it's "treat them like shit because you present yourself as a big important man who gets shit done, knows where he's going and doesn't particularly care who he hurts on the way, and any woman in his life is just an accessory." I don't think you could get a GF just by insulting women to their faces, but being callous and aloof in a way that causes injuries to the ego will probably stir up more interest than being kind and careful would.

If you really want to tune it up, the kind of man that women have written endless fanfictions about is one that has all the Dark Triad traits for everyone EXCEPT for that specific woman, and while he still dominates her, he finds it impossible to harm her. That's the Edward Cullen dynamic.

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yea i guess you just cant follow me at all so yea kind of pointless to continue. every time someone does something good to you i suggest you be extreme cautious because they are out to get you bro
lol

>As far as I'm aware research on the subject suggests that Dark Triad traits are more attractive to women than any other kind

yea, it's the only instance where you can say personality does actually make a difference. i think there is a study somewhere where it even shows that having these traits transcends physical looks. the problem is you can't decide to have a dark triad personality, it's something you're born with kind of like being a psychopath, because that's kind of what they are.

>Yes they do. That's absolutely expected. Do you live in a small isolated village with less than a hundred people total?
no, i wouldnt' call it a big city but it's a city alright, and generally people here are pretty nice, must be cultural differences

>Most people will try to steal or physically fight you
you must live in a crime ridden zone then

>Real world people will absolutely harm you if they think there is a single hope they can get away with it
doubt

>It's amazing how you are telling me I'm off subject when you have a reply chain of a ton of people telling you how wrong you are in multiple different ways
>opens up a whole different can of worms
>"wtf does that even have to do with the subject?"
>"well i'm still right because i belive you're wrong and so do other people"

>You're flipping delusional girl
didn't know i was a girl

i literally admited that your point was right, i just do not accept that doing a good deed in order to gain favor with someone and get something out of them means you're a good person, if i'm a nice dude to a chick i like just to get pussy would you assume i'm a "good person"?

>my point still stands that if you do good shit to purely get something out of someone then you're not really a good person
See retarded piece of shit. If you can't provide philosophical proof of why Kant is wrong, fuck off from this conversation.

Yes the meaner you are the more attractive you become to them. A woman would choose an evil Chad over a Chad who helps her out all the time. Arent women just revolting?

ok keep acting nice to stacy, i'm sure she'll find you extremely atractive when you're only acting like a good person in order to get in her pants