The reason why "nice guys" are simps is because of feminism!

that's is not even close to what i said...

>if you read articles written by male feminists for example you can draw a line between what they believe in and what "nice guys" believe gets them pussy

Lol they think other people besides male feminists are nice guys and simps?

You said feminists want men to be nice guys.

this actually further proves my point

What point is that?

What about being nice to "get with girls" and not dropping a facade but just moving on? I know simply being nice might be a terrible way to get with girls but is that sinister somehow?

depends which tagged post we're talking about

the "nice guys" facade is used as excuse to get pussy, and because they don't understand how women think, they just listen to feminists and later on when they find out that NOT ALL women believe in feminism they cannot compute

male feminists and "nice guys" are the same people

this is also how genuinely nice guys often turn into "nice guys"
because we live in a society where simply being nice is somehow sinister and some people cannot compute and get angry and end up feeling like they're lied to

That's actually a fair point, a lot of problems come from over-generalising women and not realising that just because ONE woman said something, doesn't mean that EVERY woman will jump on your dick if you say that you believe it too.

Yeah they are the worst. Imagine finding out one day that a close friend of yours was only talking to you because he wanted to pump and dump you, and he's now being a dick.

Like, with assholes, you at least know where they stand, so you immediately know what you're getting into and you can make an informed choice on whether you want to or not. Nice guys who try to pretend to be nice (well, they say "I'm such a nice person and you're missing out on this, hun") just to try to bang girls are much more slimey than people who are open about it.

>get angry and end up feeling like they're lied to
Usually only attractive people because they think how they're treated is how everyone is generally treated.

Nah, not at all. Girls (and people in general) like nice people. You just have to make sure to do these two things:
(a) Don't call yourself a nice guy. If you're genuinely nice, let your actions speak for themselves. It'll be a ton more convincing than simply saying that you are. It's like someone constantly saying that they're so incredibly smart vs someone who gets good grades without making a big deal about it.
(b) Make it obvious that they have a choice. There's nothing inherently wrong with being overly pleasant or even being overly forward, but as long as you're offering a choice and giving people an out if they find it a bit too much. Being able to take no for an answer is a vital part of this. Girls can always change their mind later, but being pushy will almost always drive them further away.

Essentially, being nice is fine, but you're not going to be everyone's cup of tea, and you have to be ok with that as well.

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>male feminists and "nice guys" are the same people

not really, most male feminists are 'nice guys' but not all nice guys are male feminists

I don't disagree with anything you said, I'm not looking for advice but I have been chewed out by women before for simply moving on after realizing it's not going anywhere (without being a dick about it of course).

>Imagine finding out one day that a close friend of yours was only talking to you because he wanted to pump and dump you
Why do holes have this retarded obsession with sex? The men you're talking about want to marry you and build a life with you (and largely *for* you), why can't you comprehend that there's something beyond le fucky fucky?

I've been called a creepy incel nice guy for daring to ask a chick who spent more than a year talking to me almost every single day and flirting with me and calling me lovey dovey names and various sexual shit, if this is moving anywhere or what exactly does she think she's doing.

What's more, "nice guys" don't understand that it's usually painfully obvious when they're talking to a girl just to try and sleep with her. I don't understand why they think that they're so much smarter than everyone else and can fool everyone, when they usually have very little experience with women and thus are clearly at a disadvantage. It's the equivalent of a guy seeing a martial arts tournament and saying "Yeah none of them could beat me, I'd simply sidestep their attacks and hit them once to knock them out".

That's fair, yeah I don't believe you're doing anything wrong. I'd probably be a bit more explicit about my desires in your shoes, but what you're doing is completely fine and there's nothing wrong about people drifting away. Don't pay too much attention to that, user, you have to do what you have to do.

exactly, "nice guys" are basically the literal definition of what a simp is
urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Simp

>it's usually painfully obvious when they're talking to a girl just to try and sleep with her.
Yeah that's why girls pull the "OMG I THOUGHT YOU WERE JUST A FRIEND WHERE IS THIS COMING FROM ALL OF A SUDDEN HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST SAY UGABUGA WANNA FUX ON THE VERY FIRST DAY WE MET LIKE CHAD DOES" after 5 years of a guy openly pining for them and them constantly having a "will they, won't they" "friendship" where they're totally not leading them on.

Nah, the men don't like you for you, they don't know you intimately enough to truly love you that way yet. What they are in love with is an IDEA of you that they've built up in their head.
And what happens if you get married and it turns out that you don't fully correspond to the ideal you they've built up? Do they get angry? Do they hit you because "you didn't bring me dinner when I came back from my D&D group"? Marrying and starting a life someone you don't fully know is the stupidest idea.

I feel like you're missing out on a lot of context there, user. You want to post some non-cherry-picked conversations here?

>bitching about SJWs and feminists in 2020
lmfaooo they hardly exist anymore you autistic faggot, are you stuck in 2016 or some shit?

>>something i assumed is the home of toxic masculinity
no one takes a minute out their day to willfully read a failed male feminist journalist clickbait article

not all incels care about the fucky fucky, some just want a commited relationship and feel lonely..
this is why cucks exist! because, oh sure you don't get to fuck and remain virgin for the rest of your life but atleast you got a gf so it's fine

The context is that she just wanted to use a retarded moron who genuinely liked her to provide her with daily ego boosts until she gets enough self esteem to find a guy who makes her eat her own shit from his cock and punches her in the tits, because she was a nasty piece of shit.

except for the "nice guys" and male feminists themselves!
trust me, if an article is written there's bound to be people interested in reading it otherwise the genre of the article dies out (unless it's all written by the same person, but it's not so whatever)
TL;DR you stupid

>after 5 years of a guy openly pining for them and them constantly having a "will they, won't they" "friendship" where they're totally not leading them on

desu that guy is a fucking idiot, you'd notice after some years that she's not into you that way. If you're being 'lead on' for more than a couple months you're stupid as fuck

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>HAHA YOU SLOW LOSER YOU DID NOT DODGE MY KATANA IN YOUR BACK WHILE YOU SLEPT YOU SHOULD HAVE KEPT YOUR EYE OPEN GOODBYE ON THE MOONLIT NIGHT OF THE ONI!!!!

the event of the first ever "nice guys" syndrome happened years before 2016 so if relevance is your point then atleast get the year right

nice spergfit retard

no u lewlz

No feminists are telling guys to be niceguys.

i assume he's refering to ignorance as a defense.. like how not knowing something can't be a valid reason to be held accountable.. atleast, i assume that's what he ment because i admit his post was kinda spastic for no reason

He is a stupid fuck but the girl in this scenario is either a cunt or also dense as fuck. She's practically using a mentally challenged dude as her slave and emotional sponge.

okay majority of the replies under this thead clearly don't know what a simp is and it shows
pls click this link before trying to debunk my posts because i feel like i have to keep repeating myself

Feminist mothers, caretakers and media teach men that being nice is the key to success with women. Deny it all you want, but it's true.

stupidity is a vulnerability meaning that people who make use of that are in the wrong. the key-word is "taking advantage of" and legally when a man does that to a woman it's wrong (so anti-sexistly it should be wrong the otherway around too and probably is)

Also being 'lead on' might just mean the guy interpreted normal friendly behavior as interest because he wants it to happen, social retards aren't known for their ability of interpreting social cues correctly

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I guess we are thinking about two different kinds of "nice guys". I was referring more to people who message girls they barely know to try and sleep with them, whereas you meant the orbiters that try to stay friends to eventually pounce on the girl.
However, why would you not ask the girl out at some point over the 5 years? Life isn't some rom-com where you're destined to end up with one girl, if you don't ask a girl out, you almost certainly won't go out with her. If I've been friends and just friends with a girl for 5 years, I wouldn't think that year 6 is where it's gonna start hitting off, I'd think that I have an old female friend.

You know girls can have guy friends, right? If the guy wanted to get with her, he should have said so instead of trying to get her to figure it out. Why overcomplicate things for yourself when you can just be open and tell people what you want?

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Stupid losers deserve to be exploited, if you can't even stand up for yourself against a woman, what good are you as a man in the first place? If you fall in love or think love exists and there's anything beyond mutual masturbation and providing socioeconomic services to each other, you're stupid by default, if you do good things for others without getting more in return than you've invested, you're stupid by default and you deserve every bad thing that happens to you.

>is this waitress just being nice to me because it's her job?
>no, it's because she's madly in love with me

>If the guy wanted to get with her, he should have said so instead of trying to get her to figure it out.

Yeah, sure. But it's rough being socially inept and insecure. I think it's terrible for everyone involved.

>Stupid losers deserve to be exploited
It's reality, it happens. I don't think they deserve it.

toxic masculinty spotted

i think asking someone out on day 1 doesn't work either because you gotta get to know someone first
>yeah but that's where dates are for
except, i know more than enough people who have sex on the second date and apparently that's normal.. i don't want this, i want to get to know someone first, get crush second, fall in love third, date fourth, relation fifth & only then sex sixth
unfortunately we don't live in a society where that's the acceptable path i guess

Of course, it's a lot easier to say "just ask her out" than to actually do it. Doesn't mean it's on the girl to make a move just because "it's hard for the dude". I know it's rough, but you have to do it if that's what you want, rather than hoping for some magical way that you'll end up together without actually asking each other out.

But I agree, it's shitty for everyone involved. Which is why it's so important to soldier through and rip off the band-aid early. Honestly, I've found that asking a girl out and being rejected feels so much better than never asking her out.

>Doesn't mean it's on the girl to make a move just because "it's hard for the dude"
in my opinion the first move shouldn't be a gender thing at all
whoever likes the other first is the one the ask the other out

that was probably your point anyway, but i feel like it needed to be said because i know a few girls who pick up guys by teasing them into making the first move and i'm all like
>no YOU should make the first move, tyler doesn't even know you exist! dropping a pencil and sensually picking it up is NOT making a move katy
youtube.com/watch?v=ZV0Vu5Db2-M

>Doesn't mean it's on the girl to make a move just because "it's hard for the dude".

Yeah, being rejected is mostly on men as it stands, I think most people get that.

I get ya. I don't personally agree with that order at all, but I respect you for knowing exactly what you want. user, no-one's stopping you from going this exact path. You should let people know, and you will probably turn a lot of people away from you, but if that's not what you want, is it truly a loss? What might also help you is having a bunch of female friends, since how else are you going to get to know them first? And I say bunch cause it's not all that common for any individual friend to start crushing on a specific other friend, so you should probably play the numbers. However, if you're ready to go the hard path, I wish you all the best luck and I hope you get what you wish, user.

i already have a bunch of female friends.. i thought my post made it obvious that i do.. maybe it wasn't obvious
but could you also explain what's wrong with that path? is it really weird to ask out someone who's just a friend? i mean, how do i develop feelings for someone i don't even know yet?

>tagged
It's "quoted", you stupid normalshit.

No offense but you guys sound socially inept to me, do you think relationships automatically start from writing a relationship contract or some shit? Is this what they teach in schools nowadays? Because back in my day you just progressively flirted and did more and more things together, it was organic, not a binary switch. All my relationships started like that. Is this just the generational gap speaking, are people really that autistic now?
Sounds bizarre to me that there could be any other path, why would you want to be with someone you don't know and aren't friendly with?

In a just world, I fully agree with you, girls should bluntly ask guys they like out. But you have to inject a bit of realism into this. Plus the preconception that men have to ask girls out actually reinforces itself, since girls will think that if a guy hasn't asked them out, then he doesn't like them, so what's the point of asking him out.

There's nothing wrong with that path, user. It's a hard path because, as you said, most people prefer to go on dates and figure if they like each other during those first couple of dates, but if you know the path you want then that's the path you SHOULD go. Don't sacrifice your potential happiness just because it's easier (or at least not before you're desperate enough to settle). If you already have female friends, then there's actually a good path that you might even succeed in your plan(:
I mean it's a bit weird, but there's absolutely nothing wrong with a bit weird. You're good, go ask your friends out, just be ok if they don't feel the same way back. You'll be fine user, I'm sure you'll get there.

>No offense but you guys sound socially inept to me

None taken. I didn't have a lot of friends growing up and spent most of my time alone. I'm learning but it doesn't come as naturally to me.

wow! thanks user, i really needed this! for months i've been questioning my future and whether there's hope.. i will try to keep your post in mind! and if she does end up rejecting me i really hope i'd atleast stay in the friendzone because i wouldn't wanna lose a good friend.. but thanks!

I can't speak for everyone in my generation, but I'm genuinely somewhat autistic, so I prefer to just be open and blunt about what I want rather than misreading signals and potentially missing out. Plus I tend not to get emotionally invested until I'm sure the relationship is likely to happen, so that there are no hard feelings if she says no or if there's no chemistry in the first few dates.

I'm glad to have helped. Yeah, as long as you're not pushy and you're completely fine being just friends if she says no, you should be completely fine. I've had female friends that I've told point-blank that if they were interested, I would have tried to get with them, but they weren't, so I'm very happy to just be friends instead; thus I doubt it'll go horribly wrong.

>stay in the friendzone because i wouldn't wanna lose a good friend

That can be painful though.

It's a lot easier with the knowledge that you tried and it didn't pan out, rather than living with the question of "what if".

Yes but living in the friendzone when wanting something more can be painful, even if you tried and it didn't pan out.

bro you a simp lmaooooo

Maybe if you're an overly emotional woman.

Nobody wants niceguys

Im fine just being friends with a single girl and never getting sex
but I dont want to be friends with a girl that has a boyfriend, it feels weird as if she isnt actually your friend