How can one combat nihilism during this difficult time

the wind blows, the flowers float away, its simply how things are

Confront it, embrace it

You mean you would enjoy it if she licked the outer edge of your anus with her tongue?

why would you combat the truth

Play Terraria user, you will be happy in no time

>Everyone is just like me
Don't hit me with those bullshit negative waves, man.

Go fishing

The only thing that you have any control over is yourself. Your emotions in response to negativity in life are purely neutral in and of themselves: you choose to feel certain ways.

I mean nihilism is the brutal truth as you arrive at the end of the tunnel. You literally can't refute this. Life has no meaning. We exist on a floating rock in the middle of nowhere, just because. We get born and then die. That's it. Life is no game with a purpose or a story. Nothing really happens if you choose to live life or do nothing at all.
That's why you yourself have to give life a purpose. A goal you can work towards.
Nihilism might be the ultimate truth but at the same time it's really fucking boring as well.
Do whatever the fuck you wanna do and don't care about the consequences let's gooooooo.
Have some fun before we all turn into rotten corpses eventually.

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Just remember the creator of nihilism said it was retarded, if the creator doesn't believe in it why should you?

Your life is like a treadmill now. You might be running but you ain't going nowhere. If you don't have any goals, any meaning for your own life, then create those goals and meaning for yourself, not for us or for anyone else. So stop complaining and get going.

Dumb nihilism
>Nothing mattres :( so I won't do anything just be a sad cunt

Smart nihilism
>Nothing matters, so I'll just enjoy life and hedonistic pleasures

Big brain nihilism
>Nothing matters, so I will make something matter to me.

By surrendering yourself to your most primitive desires and realizing that everything you do in life are merely a means to fulfill those desires.

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Stoicism.

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-is retarded.

Philosophical suicide.

The "creator" of nihilism? You talking about Nietzsche? He wasn't a nihilist, although I guess you could say he "created" it even if he isn't one.

> Pretending arbitrary meaning has value
^ retarded

There is no good solution to nihilism. Absurdism, like someone else mentioned, is a good middle ground, but you still run into the irreducible lack of meaning, however you get on the right track with Camus' outlook, I think.

Believing in 'god' or 'meaning' in a normal sense is stupid and silly, but I think there is value in searching for something "transcendental" to the human condition (although not intrinsically meaningful- "meaningfulness" is a moot point, and there is an irreducible lack of meaning in everything you can come up with). That's the direction I've been going with my outlook recently.

Think of it this way: the description of consciousness and being has completely eluded description by science (sorry empiricists!) and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Focus on the human condition and the experience as a human. I see there being something transcendental, of how consciousness is an emergent property of the empirical reality we inhabit. It's impossible to describe, but everyone understands it. Is there not 'beauty' in this? Some fulfillment you find?

I think the search for "fulfillment" is better than any ridiculous search for meaning, whether it's arbitrary meaning or an objective one. Camus (my favorite philosofag) finds this fulfillment in the image of a human condition where a man wages an unrelenting, private struggle against this meaninglessness until his death, which he ignores because he is a human, and humans can ONLY be concerned reasonably with the human condition, of which death is beyond.

My thoughts here are scattered and I hope they're not so pretentious that there isn't any value in them. This is the direction I've been going when I think about the stuff you're talking about.

>heh le Christian's and atheists are dumber than me
>I dont mean to sound pretentious
I take it quarantine hasn't changed your lifestyle of living in your moms basement.

pump iron

I want to add on to what I said here-

I had a bad LSD trip recently that turned my thoughts away from the normal line of absurdist thought, and it really convinced me of a 'transcendental' (for lack of a better, less pretentious term) nature to the human condition. Not a meaningful one or a "spiritual" one, but one in a literary sense (literary is the only word I can come up with that makes sense in my head. It's retarded I know).

But I think that, at the core of everything, that consciousness rises as an emergent property from our biology/empirical reality, and that we can explore this 'human condition' that transcends the hard-line "scientific" and "empirical" world in a way where we can eke out fulfillment, but not meaning.

A lot of what I said there is just my retarded thoughts, but I think that one thing really valuable is to focus on FULFILLMENT, not meaning, whatever that means to you personally. Again, Camus found his in the "integrity" of a man acting as Sisyphus against the chaotic, uncaring nature of the universe. But it can be whatever you want, but for the love of god don't call it "meaningful" like normal run-of-the-mill existentialists or you're retarded.

Fulfillment is a better thing to search for than meaning, because meaning does not, or cannot exist. Meaning is an empty concept that can be defeated by three words: "Who fucking cares?"

If God does exist in the normal sense, if he did forge the universe and is omnipotent and omnipresent... that doesn't matter. It's just how the chips roll. He could say "You're on earth to worship me", and you could say "Who fucking cares?" There is always a level above the top. If God creates meaning, then God has no meaning.

But what the fuck do I know? Tear holes in my shit I like criticism.

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I live in your mother's basement actually faggot. She likes it when I use big werds

Truly based. Stay mad christcucks.

based, this is the way ive always thought about it but I'm not sure if I ever truly accepted it into my heart

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What’s difficult about it?

How philosophical
>I want to continue wall of text to reinforce my narcissism
>continues to project how unpretentious he is
Whew there's 2 (you)'s good job bud. I've bet all of your inner dialogue might one day save the human condition.

based
unbelievably based

great thread and discussion brahs
I'm gonna head out now tho
I'm an ESTfag and I need my 8hrs for max gains

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Easy, remember why you are sacrificing something for a greater ideal. It could even be as shitty of a greater ideal as "I do it for thots." At least that is an aim and a willingness to sacrifice for a creature they do not understand and once they catch the arrow they shot into the cosmos, they can string their bow and shoot again, this time more accurately.

>Fulfillment is a better thing to search for than meaning, because meaning does not, or cannot exist. Meaning is an empty concept that can be defeated by three words: "Who fucking cares?"
The response is "Fuck you, I care because I derive some sort of fulfillment and satisfaction by taking steps towards greater meanings. I sacrifice time now for greater reward tomorrow."
Also, a word on your conceptualization of God, you may want to look at it in a light as the Orthodox do, where Jesus was the epitome of perfection and paid the ultimate price for it and as such an attempt to be a better person i.e. emulating Christ is a righteous path that is self fulfilling because good deeds and actions are rewarded and cared for more than brute force. Unfortunately everyone has a little Cain in them, some more so than others and that propensity for great evil far outweighs the intrinsic good of humans

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> The response is "Fuck you, I care because I derive some sort of fulfillment and satisfaction by taking steps towards greater meanings. I sacrifice time now for greater reward tomorrow."

What I meant by "Who fucking cares?" is an all-encompassing response to someone trying to say meaning could exist in the first place. I explained it badly. What I'm trying to say is that "greater meanings" do not exist and are just empty.

If an omnipotent, omnipresent god gave you a meaning, that meaning would still not... mean anything. Who gives meaning to that god in the first place, and what vests in him the power to ascribe... meaningful meaning? Because he's omnipotent/omnipresent? Again... Who fucking cares?

> Also, a word on your conceptualization of God[...]

Can you explain more here? I don't think the different concepts of god are analogous here. I don't believe in the Christian mythology/a God as a "thing of being" at all so unless you're saying try to be like Jesus for the sake of being like Jesus was said to be because it ends up being good in a functional way... I don't understand the rationale.

How funny would it be if she slipped her finger in there haha

>If an omnipotent, omnipresent god gave you a meaning, that meaning would still not... mean anything.
That's a dumb statement user. If that divine power is there and is the creator of everything, then by default his desires for us and the goals he sets are the only true purpose for us.

And who gives a fuck what he wants for us? "By default" doesn't mean shit because nothing sets the defaults. If you say this god sets the defaults, then who gives a fuck about the defaults? You can always go one step deeper in the "meaningful chain", and ask where meaning derives meaning from. If you reach the end of "everything" that this god creates, then ask why the "everything" matters in the first place? You can keep asking for as long as you want, and it all eventually resolves to "there isn't one".

Stop saving instagram whores videos like some serial killer is a good start

God is not present in whether you yourself find meaning in anything. There disconnect that we are having from what I can tell is a misunderstanding on the start point for our opinions are; I am not working with meaning from an assumption of God giving it to you, I am speaking from a concept that it is entirely derived from the inane free will that all humans possess. Humans can decide for themselves what does or does not have greater meaning. For example, does family have a greater meaning? Does your health? Does science? It is all dependent on the individualistic rationale of a person that defines meaning, and everyone - even nihilists - have meaning.

And I am not speaking as God being a existing being. I mean more for God to be viewed as an intangible structure of nature. Humans are social animals and regularly cooperate toward shared goals, and as such each human has a different niche in that structure and performs the necessary duties as required by it. On a wide scale, doing good things will positively correlate with an increase in happiness, growth, and civility of a population; something juxtaposed with the animalistic tendency to only get what they want on an individual level. By attempting to work within a "good" nature (God as a natural structure of life, and Jesus as the person attempting to emulate the perfect ideal) humanity functions and exists on a more cohesive scale, because there is subliminal meaning in everything someone does because humans are social creatures

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You need to go back to school. If God, the beginning and the end of everything, defines the meaning of life as "x" then only "x" matters. It doesn't matter if you care or not because the consequence of not following God's path is there waiting for you. Hell.

I think we both want the same things, then. What you're calling meaning I'm calling fulfillment.

But let me clarify in case I'm wrong here. Does family have a greater meaning? Well, why would it have meaning? Because you are progressing the human race. Why does that matter? Because biological creatures reproduce naturally and I'm doing my part in the continuation of the species. Why does that matter? Because it's... good? You end up at an irreducible "meaninglessness" when you keep asking for the support for any given source of meaning.

But can you get fulfillment from founding a family, continuing the human species, etc.? Absolutely, plenty of people do.

It doesn't /matter/ whether I'm in good health, if I lift everyday or stay in shape, but I get fulfillment from it.

> It is all dependent on the individualistic rationale of a person that defines meaning, and everyone - even nihilists - have meaning.
Again, meaningfulness is a moot point. If meaning is arbitrary, then it isn't valuable or even really meaningful. You can define goals, complete them, and find fulfillment in them (that's really what I'm advocating for them), but I can't see a logical reason to ascribe "meaning" to them.

The reason I start from the outset of a "god" ascribing meaning is because I can't see another defensible position for following/finding/ascribing meaning.

> And I am not speaking as God being a existing being. I mean more for God to be viewed as an intangible structure of nature.

Our thoughts are getting a lot closer here. I think it is best to see god (if one sees it that way, and if that even is a god) as some "order of nature", but (digressing a bit) I think the order of nature is chaos. Contradictory, yes, but Camus talks a lot about this if you've read anything (a lot of my ideas are really his).

Continuing...

> Humans are social animals and regularly cooperate toward shared goals, and as such each human has a different niche in that structure and performs the necessary duties as required by it. On a wide scale, doing good things will positively correlate with an increase in happiness, growth, and civility of a population; something juxtaposed with the animalistic tendency to only get what they want on an individual level. By attempting to work within a "good" nature (God as a natural structure of life, and Jesus as the person attempting to emulate the perfect ideal) humanity functions and exists on a more cohesive scale, because there is subliminal meaning in everything someone does because humans are social creatures

The departure point of our thoughts is the "social creature" stuff. That stuff doesn't matter to me, in the slightest. I haven't the smallest care (with regards to my outlook on meaning/fulfillment) of how to organize human society, the nature of humans. I care individually. Humans have the tendencies to be "good" and do mutual aid and also the tendencies of greed etc., but these are just... biological and empirical concerns. I don't see how they have anything to do with meaning. Fulfillment, sure, but not "meaning".

> You need to go back to school. If God, the beginning and the end of everything, defines the meaning of life as "x" then only "x" matters.

And why the fuck do I care what he thinks matters? Why do I care about the beginning/end of everything? If god himself came down from the heavens, pointed his finger at me, and told me how to live because he made it that way, why can't I just say "I don't give a fuck, I'll do what I want?" Sure, he can stop me, obliterate me, send me to hell, etc., but that doesn't make his ascribed meaning any more important or valuable. It's arbitrary, even if from a supposed god.

> It doesn't matter if you care or not because the consequence of not following God's path is there waiting for you. Hell.

The ultimate destination of sex, drugs, rock and roll... Can't wait!

Stop being a whiny faggot howabout that? God didn't put you here to be a dumb nigger

Pursue an occupation that involves helping people. You'd be surprised at how strong the social aspect of the human mind is.

You're either not getting the point or you're purposely avoiding it. Whichever it is, you need to read more and post psuedo-philosophical walls of text on korean cartoon forums less.

In that case then yes, I also believe we both use "meaning" and "fulfillment" interchangeably. I find both to be an expression of what the end goal for someone, my preference is meaning because in my personal experience striving towards meaning is fulfilling due to the accomplishments one makes. I do believe in God, in the sense of God being the foundation of nature - infinite in wisdom, breadth, and savagery.

Also, frankly I find that you severely underestimate the social creature aspect of existence. Cogito ergo sum is an inescapable truth that Descarte illuminated as on a level of an individual we exist in our own little world. Outside our own little world however, even if we go by one person, we have an immediate affect, and in turn they immediately affect others ad infinitum. While you yourself find no meaning in the social relations of humans, I would put to you that your family and friends certainly may, and in a couple cases do find meaning with your existence. It means/ fulfills some need or want to someone that you walk and talk and feel.

Nowhere else can you find people calling each other faggots while having profound dialogues on the nature of God, meanin/fulfillment, and the fact nihilism is fucking retarded.

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Well, in any case, I'm glad we had a productive discussion :-)

I think our thoughts about meaning versus fulfillment and their nature are similar if confused, and I'm still undecided about all of this shit and have more thinking to do. But who doesn't?

Me too user. Stay safe out there, corona-chan is not a healthy waifu. Keep on lifting my guy

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How to into volunteering? Children’s hospital, food bank, food kitchen?

>tfw your ex starts replying to your gram stories

All of you faggots being philosophical instead of actually doing anything worthwhile that gives you meaning is why your lives are meaningless in the first place. Go volunteer at a shelter or something. Even if you don't get a sense of fulfillment from helping people out, at least you can observe people who are less fortunate and find out where they get their will to struggle from.

Children's hospital is a good start. You're observing kids who have a stronger will to survive despite having any logical reason to live. We all were like that once, and at some point, life just kept on disappointing us to the point where the future only brings anxiety instead of hope.

There is no way to combat nihilism, it’s simply must be accepted. Once you accept that everything is temporary and nothing matters you’re free to do what you truly want. It sucks but it’s liberating at the same time

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Think about what you want
Set goals to achieve them - both long-term and short
Dedicate yourself to pursuing your goals
Let things that hold you back go
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