A calorie is not a calorie

>calls others retarded
>can't even read

god I hate this fucking board so much, please never post here again

so what are the "good" calories for weight loss?

>also what about maintenance? Lets say you're at a very low bodyfat and you want to stay lean with the least hunger possible?
If you fast your insulin should be diamonds so you shouldnt have a problem with some carbs

>imagine still believing in the laws of physics

>people literally lose double the weight just by varying macros while keeping calories the same
>a calorie is still just a calorie bro

Why do you hate science so much? Humans are not bomb calorimeter. The evidence is right here you are still refusing to accept it. Why are you being so stubborn?

retard

>Inject a fuckton of insulin to go along with a daily 1k calories and you will put on fat
>your body rather puts on fat than keeping your brain and heart going because a hormone is telling it to do
brainlet

yeah but they are already in a deficit. you cant be in a surplus and suddenly lose weight because you changed macros

What is this study? What if I'm not an obese woman?

Ketochads win again babyyyy

>Moderately obese women who were IS at baseline responded better to an HC/LF hypocaloric diet than to an LC/HF hypocaloric diet. On the other hand, equally moderately obese women who were more IR at baseline responded better to an LC/HF hypocaloric diet than to an HC/LF one.

So you may have to tweak your diet to your own personal body, but ultimately it was the same.

Did they mention water weight at all in this?

>Inject fuckton of insulin
>Incoming nutrients get stored
>Blood glucose drops, insulin drops
>Nutrients come out of storage for energy use because you aren't eating anything
Wow. Your body doesn't really like to store shit in a net catabolic (hypocaloric) state.

I hate this board. Everything I do works for me but I end up wondering if CICO doesnt work, i need to go carnivore, i need to go vegan, i need to go keto.

Fuck this retarded place

Not all calories are equal but it still holds true, whatever energy your body gets out of your food will cause weight gain if it exceeds the caloric output.

every calorie under your maintenance is a good calorie

fat and protein, protein to preserve muscle and fat because it fills you up nicely so you won't crave

How do I check my level of insulin sensitivity? What’s the practical application of this information? Would there be a preferable macro split when bulking or maintaining or is it only when cutting?

>muh thermodynamics
why is so hard for people to understand that the body isn't a fucking excel spreadsheet. If you're eating primarily fatty meat its almost impossible to overeat unless you do it on purpose. This is coming from a former 300lb ball of lard that used to solo family sized pizzas on the regular.

But that's the thing. The macros change the metabolic rate. Wrong macros and your body reduces its expenditure.

Protein has a higher TEF than carbs which has a higher TEF than fat. It's still not significant enough where you can't just +/-100kcal.

Only eating meat so your eating less calories so you are calorie restricting.

It's the body increasing the its energy expenditure as a whole and not just wasting it on conversion. I've experienced this in my old job where I switched foods and was able to do more lifting because my body was able to utilize more energy. The most enduring I've felt was when fasting as that's a solely fat consuming state.
A calorie is not a calorie because they affect your hormones and how your body functions as a whole.

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What’s the easiest way to fast but keep energy levels up? I’ve been eating normally and just have on 24h fast a week, I maintain on 3200 calories a day so fitting that on an IF schedule is annoying. I wanna maximize protein synthesis but I also want to keep insulin sensitivity.

Works for me faggot

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>prediabetics dont handle sugars as well as otherwise healthy people
Color me fucking shocked. CICO works for healthy people. The preponderance of evidence in results-focused research that has already been investigating macros for decades now show this. If you're insulin resistant, of fucking course a low-carb (read: low glucose) diet is going to get you better results in weight loss than a high carbo diet. This should be goddamned obvious to literally everyone with a brain, and it in fact has been obvious in research since as early as the 2000's.

The only reason anyone is still confused about this shit is because Americans have little to no idea what a healthy diet looks like in the first place which is why a third or more of us are prediabetic and desperately grasping at straws to explain why 70% of adults are overweight and 40% are obese instead of simply understand that we eat way too damn much.

Cicofags are the biggest supporters of meme diets, by saying a calorie is a calorie you basically give people permission to do these stupid only vegetables or only meat or only shitty food diets which fucks their body up

Clearly not, carbohebe kikeries are literal poison for the white aryan race.

Learn to read dumbass

>>imagine still believing in CICO
Well, most people don't realize it, but since we use calories as a measure of food energy, we have become unable to treat obesity.

It started in 1919, when the "Atwater System" of Wilbur Atwater became mainstream. That was the big thing - from now on, calories were a measure of fattening effects of food. This is also the time when the obesity rate slowly, then much faster, rose and rose. We are now an obese planet.

In contrast, obesity was treated with much success during antiquity, the middle ages and honestly, any time before the Atwater System was published. Something that is inexplicably to us today, where obesity is officially NOT treatable by science.

You can research all this easily via google and wikipedia. Strangely enough, no one did yet.

You can unironically ask your doctor to check it for you, but if you want to figure it out yourself then experiment with HCLF and LCHF and see which one gives you the most energy and most satiety

Then fuck off dumbbass, how the fuck is anything in this thread difficult to understand?
CICO "works" but it doesn't tell the whole story. It's a very simplistic model that leaves a lot of optimization on the table

That's the thing though, fat synthesis and fat breakdown are two discrete processes, when you have high insulin levels all day your long, your body will store nearly everything it eats as fat/muscle, and will be very reluctant to breakdown its own fat/muscle for energy. Thus resulting in a net gain of fat/muscle throughout the day. This happens because high insulin CRIPPLES your metabolic rate. The study in OP is literally saying just that.

Correct

Not really, carb fags also win as long as theyre not metabolically defunct

You're a human fucking being, that's good enough.

The study implies that you can go from. Being in a surplus to a deficit (and vice versa) just by changing macros because the "calories out" part of CICO is determined by macros.

never post

Post body.

Or maybe we just have a lot more food now and lots of advertising & research goes in to making food as delicious and addictive as possible.

this have to be b8

Lamo your problem nigga

I’m fucking carni and my body and gains are amazing. Yeah carni is fucking stupid and doesn’t make sense but it works for me so fuck it. I’m just here to call people niggers and have fun

2x0=0
If you lose body fat, you burned more Calories than you consumed.
There is no dispute among the scientific community: protein has the highest thermic effect of food (increases Calories burned) while fat and carbohydrates have essentially the same thermic effect. If you compare two isonitrogenous diets, varying fat and carbohydrates while keeping Calories constant has no effect on fat mass. High fat diets decrease lean body mass because that metric counts stored glycogen i.e. water weight.
If you regularly engage in resistance training and are not obese, you are insulin sensitive
>restricting food groups makes you lose weight
Shocker. There are no obese fruitarians, so it's clearly not a magic property of carbohydrates that makes you fat
Gotcha. So the increase in obesity is entirely because of carbohydrates rather than the end of rationing for a world war. I'm sure that increase in obesity magically carried through the 1940s, right?
Insulintards never talk about glucagon

Reduced inflammation, improved metabolism from high saturated fat intake, access to highly bioavaliable nutrients, and less carbs is probably why.

Grains are not the devil, unless you have a fucked up metabolism, then they absolutely are the devil.

Read the fucking study for fuck sake, you're completely missing the point.

>No one fucking argues that every calorie is the same in quality and health.
I do

>i need to go carnivore,
Try it
>i need to go vegan,
Don't try it
>i need to go keto.
Try it but don't be retarded about it.

Why does she look like she is crying?

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>every calorie under your maintenance is a good calorie

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This poster is legit retarded.
Until insulin was able to be synthesized type 1 diabetics all died no matter how much you fed them.

ah yes hormones magically make you fat even without eating calories

>High fat diets decrease lean body mass because that metric counts stored glycogen i.e. water weight.
there's more to it than simply glycogen, glycogen is very stable during ketosis and outside of ketosis
the main reason why lean body mass drops on isonitrogenous high fat vs high carb diets is because nitrogen balance drops on a low carb diet, reason why almost not a single bodybuilder competes during ketosis since it is less anabolic than being outside of ketosis.
Carbs spare protein from oxidation in ways fats cannot, therefore high fat diets are by default inferior for body composition purposes.

this guy went from a total dyel to this purely in keto
post sauces

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Obesity really became a problem during the 50's and beyond, which corresponds to the introduction of polyunsaturated plant oils into the market. These PUFAs are toxic and metabolically damaging, which makes it much easier to become obese

he not wrong though. Studies done with such a low number of subjects barely should be taken seriously. It's basic mathematics. You need a large number to give a more serious answers.

>fat because it fills you up nicely so you won't crave
I agree with you that fat an protein are the most important. But that is just wrong. Protein is the thing that makes you feel satiated and also keeps you satiated. Not fat.

dude is on roids

I can't agree with that, chicken breasts are full protein and I don't feel me up at all, but a nice porkchop or a whole avocado are enough for 8 hours

he says he isn't but so what if he is?

This is why you should never expect people to take you seriously.

post body

What food DOES takes less for your body to convert?

I can't remember where I read it but fat has a long term satiating effect whereas protein has a short term satiating effect

so basically, you can eat virtually unlimited quantities of fat and never get full, but you can eat a small amount of protein and get stuffed pretty fast, BUT if you never eat fat, you'll start getting hungry more and more frequently the longer you go without it

anecdotally I find it's a lot easier to go a long time without eating if I have a high fat high protein meal rather than a low fat high protein high fibre meal