Height doesn't matter bro, it's all about confidence!

>Life isnt all about reproducing or intimidating the same gender
Most of it is GOD DAMN IT

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>even if your friends and family think you're a "cradle robber" for being with an of-age girl.
Of age doesn't matter. Your age - 5 is the lowest socially acceptable age you can go.
Yes, that means if you're 35 or over you will never have children.

It’s an easy topic for incels with a very contagious pattern because of how easily it preys on insecurities people can’t change

I've fixed everything about myself that i could and I don't stop for a day. My life still sucks in tangible ways. I don't mean that I'm sad about some ethereal thing or existential crisis, but that I struggle and fail consistently at things that are necessary. All of those are things I can't get through a "mathematical", so to speak, approach. Like if I want a car I need x sum of money, cool I get a car in no time. If I wanna pass university I need x% in my evaluations, no biggie I'll top the class. If I wanna look good I just have to work out and eat so much, it’s a piece of cake.

If I wanna get friends, be taken seriously, a gf, sex with a non hooker, hell companionships in general I'm fucked. It just doesn't work. This post might read autistic but I'm a perfectly normal guy most of the time. Might sounds whiny too but I'm just trying to explain why I care so much about height. It's the only thing about myself I can't change. I know some people are short and others are good to them, but people are shit to me and I can't come up with other explanations than being short fucking my shit up.

We're also invaded by that tranny suicide cult discord right now.

gertstulp.com/pdf/Stulp et al 2013_Anim Behav_The height of choosiness.pdf

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You need therapy.
I've had plenty of smaller friends who got laid on the regular , even with taller girls.
Turns out personality is a thing.

I'm a literal fucking midget at 5'9'' and have had sex more than the majority of Yas Forums lurkers combined.

Sex is a numbers game.

Getting a girlfriend that you stay with for years?
That takes confidence. No body wants to be with some faggot who isn't ever going to commit and start working towards a life with a woman.

I've had therapy. Also have a personality. Have had many, I've been a million different people in search of one that would be able to get what it wants from others. I've also seen dudes act exactly the same way as me or plain worse and get away with it cause they look better or are taller. I don't resent them, good for them, but that's reality.

>tfw 5'7
Remember that '80% of women date 20% of men' thing or whatever it was from dating sites?
I was looking at average height for men, and it turns out 20% of men are 6'0 or taller.
Gay.

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""""""personality""""""
Only "personality" traits that are important are narcissism and psycopathy.
And there is plenty of empirical evidence to prove this.

sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0191886913012245
sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S135917891300061X
researchgate.net/publication/240287787_Captured_by_True_Crime_Why_Are_Women_Drawn_to_Tales_of_Rape_Murder_and_Serial_Killers
pdfs.semanticscholar.org/9c55/a8cae3c8a5d238002a261fec643f767d1126.pdf

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Narcissism is a meme. I get told I'm narcissistic all the time and I'm the biggest incel in this board.

I love that highly emotional childish humans that want to be dominated by psycopaths can vote. It gives me confidence in the whole democratic process, it really does.

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>5'9
>midget
I'm the same height and almost never get called short, where do you live?

Kek

BECAUSE THE ONLY WORLD THAT EXIST IS THE ONE THAT "OTHER PEOPLE" CREATED YOU DUMB NIGGER , YOU HAVE TO ADHERE TO THE VALUES OF THE MAJORITY DEGENERATE, MORONIC AND RETARDED AS IT IS OTHERWISE LIVING ONLY TO THE IDEAS FROM ONE'S HEAD IS JUST COPING SPELLED OTHERWISE and DEEPLY DAMAGING TO YOU MENTAL HEALTH

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Well you cant really conform to those values if its something you genuinely cant help, you just have to accept it and move on.

See, this is what I don't understand about the concept of "cope" that incels peddle around.

Incels like to show off their dating statistics and tinder experiments as a means to show off how they understand women now. They know all the answers now. I fucking love science, and I also love being miserable, they say. This blind trust in scientism says more about their inability to be open minded about refutations, and possibly changing their worldview. The funny thing is that most "lookism" studies incels parrot on are mostly done in part from psychology which in of itself has a replication crisis. All their silly theories on mating strategies, aka 80/20, comes from evolutionary psychology, which in of itself is also based on speculation. They find pop sci articles, usually ones about sensationalism, saying how a group of 230 women prefer tall men. On a rational stand point, this only says more about those 230 women, not the ENTIRE population of women. Yet, the incels come to these conclusions anyways. If a woman is married to a short guy, then that woman secretly wants a tall guy and is "cheating" on short guy. Aka projection. Then these incels post twitter screen caps to prove their point, not noticing how this is cherry picking. One can simply look outside and see how women of all countries aren't married to 6'1 tall chads. Tall chads are rare within the population. An incel might explain "But they secretly crave them!!". This is nothing but mere projection, and it shouldn't be taken as truth until proven otherwise. How do they precisely know every single woman wants a 6'1 Chad to marry? Did they survey the entire population? Did they read the minds of every single woman in existence? An incel might refute this back with saying "We have studies, we know". Except Human beings aren't static, and black/white. (Cont.)

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Neuroscience has a problem defining the human mind. We have yet to know how the human mind works. Those studies only say what people, from that study, preferred. You can not precisely predict what everyone person on this earth likes and doesn't like.

Again, The theories they parrot around and bullying others into believing these theories is a lot more about projection than it is about truth and I'll explain why in a bit.

Bcause they have blind faith in scientism, they do not question the ideas that goes around in their echo chambers. As long as the ideas confirm their edgy defeatist world view perspective, then it's counted as "truth". Anyone who refutes this "truth" is only "coping" because they can not accept the harsh reality of the blackpill. Except... there is no 100% certainity in science nor in life. Science is based on auxillary assumptions, and theories gain credibility when the scientists themselves try to refute their own theories as a means to know if they are correct. Incels on the other hand do not allow for refutation. They only stack up ideas without ever questioning them in the first place.

Though the reason why I say this says more about projection is because Human beings do not like uncertainty. Life is chaos, and Humans feel the need to have an explaination for everything. In the case of the Incel, they grip on these theories to reduce whatever suffering they had throughout their childhood and school years. These theories serve as an escape from personal responsibilities and emotional truama. It's suppose to reduce suffering, so they don't face the same rejections they had in school, or as a means to avoid suffering all together by avoiding women. The theories tell them that it's not their fault women were bound to reject them anyways, so it's ok to not try at all. (Cont.)

>height in inches
i hate americans so much

this desu, I improved literally everything that i could about myself almost to the max, I read like a 100 books a year, meditate everyday, study like a motherfucker ( speak 3 languages fluently), workout almost everyday ( bmi of 27 with abs) and in just a few years I'm gonna make fat bux as a doctor after i finish med school ; all this starting from an obese 17yrld slob. when it comes to height It absolutley enrages me that virtually nothing that I'll do will have any sort of effect, particularly seeing the hard work that I put in myself and comparing it to the average normie that inherited his genes

They are innocent, victims of a "cruel harsh world", all while dehumanizing women and the entire population to feel better about themselves, making them more lonely, bitter, insecure, and sad in the process. An attack on their theories is also an attack on themselves, which is why instead of ever refuting the points, even scientific ones, they resort to simply saying "cope". "Those scientists are coping", "You're coping because you don't accept my own coping mechanisms". To the incel, he'll reply to this post with whatever new statistics he found fished out from incels.me and lookism, and how I'm simply denying the "truth"

And this where I would tell him "cope."

this + quads

Divided by 2 plus 7 ritard. Also who gives a flying fuck what friends or family think, do whatever makes you happy ffs.

Based

based and redpilled

>They find pop sci articles, usually ones about sensationalism, saying how a group of 230 women prefer tall men. On a rational stand point, this only says more about those 230 women, not the ENTIRE population of women.
If a group of test subjects is that large and they all exclusively prefer tall men, then the results are statistically significant enough for you to make the same conclusion on the majority of women in general. Have you ever even studied Science 101 in your first year of HS? Or are you one of those dorks with shit grades and a slight mental retardation who parades himself as a different kind of intellect, and now makes pseudo-intellectual youtube videos all day while jerking off to trap porn? All in all, your whole post reeks of cope.

>To the incel, he'll reply to this post with whatever new statistics he found fished out from incels.me and lookism, and how I'm simply denying the "truth"
Kek like pottery

Cope.

go back 2 aznmasculinity

Your problem is much worse than being an incel psood.
You have watched shitty movies and TV shows all your life where some deviant shows the normies that he is cool too so now you think that this existence of exceptions completely invalidates the existence of trends.

Actually your problem probably isn't being worse than an incel psood, lookismfags are fucked in the head.

But still, trends exist. A manlet with cystic acne and an asymmetrical face might get pussy but it's not because any of those girls prefer manlets with acne and ugly faces.

You didn't even try to refute my argument you braindead retard. And I'm not an incel, I'm engaged. I just get pissed when I see some pseud go "umm well ackshully" when they have no idea how scientific data gets tried, re-tried, and verified.

Based write up

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>science can be wrong, therefore it is wrong
>there are exceptions to a rule, therefore the rule does not exist
>surveying a sample is useless for statistics and only holds meaning within said sample
Dont get me wrong I hate jews and their dehumanizing post modernist evolutionary science narrative of the current society, but you're practically retarded if you’re making such arguments so I'll give you the benefit of doubt and assume you're underage. In which case get off this website for your own sake.

The fuck is that name? It's either taiwanese, hong kongese or mongolian. It's not mainland chink, that's for sure. Taiwanese and hk surnames only double consonant on hs as far as i know though

>Be the best you can be, why do you care about other people so much?

Sometimes the best that one can be is not good enough and never will.

You care because you want to feel loved and enjoy those experiences that normies seem to get handed to them so easily for simply being.

>If a group of test subjects is that large and they all exclusively prefer tall men

Yeah dude but men also prefer women with nice pretty faces, narrow waists, and big tiddies. It takes two to tango. And fuck, men are demonstrably way more focused on looks than women, for women it is more about the overall perception of "masculinity" which is the product of things like social status, confidence, charisma, and appearence. So men have a lot more wiggle room.

Also dating is a whole other matter, even in dumb hookups there has to be some chemistry and in finding a longer term partner the chemistry can outweigh these isolated "masculinity" and "femininity" factors that we use to determine our mates in a laboratory setting.

Who cares? What do you want from height?

Respect?
Admiration from women?

>One of those dorks with shit grades and mental retardation who parades himself as a different kind of intellect, and now makes pseudo-intellctual youtube videos all day while jerking to trap porn?

Oddly specific lmao

>tfw 6'

It's just too easy

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This. Although I believe evo psychology has merit under the right circumstances, but the problem is that it's now become a meme ideology for pseuds to poorly justify their presuppositions about human nature i.e. incel blackpillers who believe that women are exclusively attracted to massive violent chads with dark personality traits.

There is also the problem with sparse evidence and unfalsifiability. I swear these brainlets think that anthropologists have a massive archive somewhere which meticulously details all the relevant developmental phases in homo sapien prehistory or something and this is all "settled science". We're not even remotely close to the evidentiary level you would need to safely assume the shit you hear evopseuds spouting.

It always cracks me up when I hear an incel spout this nonsense as if somehow they found some "hardcore truth" no one wants to hear

Are you claiming that girls, as an overwhelming trend, do not prefer tall men?

>Genuinely imagine hating yourself, or others, for things outside of their control.
this, also if you really want to obsess over something, it's always face > everything else

respect and admiration must be earned I just want to feel NORMAL, i was a fat fuck through all my teens, after i lost weight the growth spurt never came and i remained a 5'5 manlet for the rest of my life, try having a 6' brother, that's why I'm no atheist the shit is too coincidental to be random, but I don't know what it meand and don't want to accept it simple as that

Not that guy, but here's what I think. If you read a lot of older period books, even in those books, you'll notice height is commonly used as an attractive feature for men universally. Like, in practically every single culture in every single period of mankind, height has always been considered attractive to an extent.

But at the same time, being tall doesn't make someone handsome nor does it really ever warrant the extreme attention that incels claim it does.

If you have a guy who's like 5'8 and another who's 6'0 courting a girl of average height, height is going to be one of the minimal factors on that list. Everybody I knew who got laid with lots of attractive women were either extremely social/confident or manipulative groomers/cult leader types.

At what age did you start losing?
POF is filled with 5'10 fat girls. I always wonder if they would have been tall anyway or if they got taller than average from strongbulking all their life.

>being tall doesn't make someone handsome

Not exactly but as a modestly tall ugly guy with blue eyes all I have got I would attribute to those things.

Lol no, at 35 you can still get 20 yos

This a mood

how about like, realizing that you'll most likely never be 100% content with how you are and shortcomings that you can't change, but trying to accept yourself in spite of that?

cope, I know

I never made any kind of a claim that it is wrong for women to like physical attributes, just like it's not wrong for men to like physical attributes. The only thing which I wanted to say with my post was that user is a brainlet with chronic ADD which caused him to think about going home to play CoD during Science class and thus has no idea what he's talking about.

>Mfw coping

If people do that, here, they might start lifting weights and build a sense of camaraderie. Can't have that.

That's just the kind of vibe I get from "youtube commentators" like Styx, Undertakerfreak, Amazing Atheist, and Someguy, Lmao.

late 16yrs- starting 17 yrs; the nutrition was on point after that for 2 years straight I was obsessed with nutrition and sleep; anyways what makes all this shit worse for my own mental health is that up until 8th grade I was among the biggest kid in my class, both height and frame (even if most of it was fat) so i remember very well how it was to be respected just for you physical statue from the other kids in the school; this is why it hit me so hard, maybe if I was short from the beginning I wouldn't have these conflicting feelings inside me

You probably should have just been a pig until you were 21.