Starting Strength

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Linear progression, aka adding weight to every lift every workout. Yes, you are still very much a novice. Buy the book and read it, maybe watch some starting strength vids in jewtube. If you arnt lifting 1/2/3/4 for reps, you havent finisher the program. If you stall, read the article "the first three questions" by mark rippetoe. I lift well over 1/2/3/4 for reps and still have not finished the novice linear progression

>Buy the book and read it, maybe watch some starting strength vids in jewtube. If you arnt lifting 1/2/3/4 for reps, you havent finisher the program. If you stall, read the article "the first three questions" by mark rippetoe. I lift well over 1/2/3/4 for reps and still have not finished the novice linear progression
All of this is false. Everybody finishes their LP at different levels, and 1/2/3/4 is fucking retarded. Most people's DL will be about 15-20% higher than their squat only. If you stall you should just move onto more advanced programming

>sets of 7
For some reason I find this obnoxiously fucking pretentious.

Well this guy has multiple sets of deads and has included 2 squat variations so you can just ignore his advice and read SS instead.

>deadlifts bad
>variations bad
Do you have an argument for this?
There's nothing wrong with 7s, just because you're used to seeing sets of 8s and 10s.

7s is just pretentious fuckery.
And a 'lifter' with a 150lb squat doesn't need to be doing 3 different variations of squat, he is nowhere near strong enough to require it.
3x5 deadlifts isn't needed; 1x5 is plenty until he actually needs more volume. Which he doesn't. Because he deadlifts two fucking plates.

>7s is just pretentious fuckery.
No it isn't. Using 8s instead of 7s is arbitrary
>And a 'lifter' with a 150lb squat doesn't need to be doing 3 different variations of squat, he is nowhere near strong enough to require it.
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That doesn't matter. Variations aren't just for strong people.
>3x5 deadlifts isn't needed; 1x5 is plenty until he actually needs more volume.
You're still in the part of your lifting life when you believe in minimum effective dose, right?

>No it isn't. Using 8s instead of 7s is arbitrary
You're retarded an want to be special.

>That doesn't matter. Variations aren't just for strong people.
Go ahead and explain why you think he should waste time with all that crap instead simply squatting three times a week.

>You're still in the part of your lifting life when you believe in minimum effective dose, right?
210kgx5 is where my diddly stalled out on doing 1x5 once per week without accessories. When he's pulling 4pl8 he can worry about more volume. He doesn't need it now.

>You're retarded an want to be special.
Again, go ahead and explain why you shouldn't use 7s
>Go ahead and explain why you think he should waste time with all that crap instead simply squatting three times a week.
He is squatting 3x a week
articles.reactivetrainingsystems.com/2016/03/23/a-case-against-specificity/
>210kgx5 is where my diddly stalled out on doing 1x5 once per week without accessories. When he's pulling 4pl8 he can worry about more volume. He doesn't need it now.
He isn't you.

>Again, go ahead and explain why you shouldn't use 7s
You can use what you like, but you'll look like a tool.

>He is squatting 3x a week
No, he's switching between three similar but slightly different movement patterns instead of focusing on drilling one pattern into his muscle memory so well he could do it asleep.

>He isn't you.
I'm a 30 year old boomer, not a fucking space marine. There's no reason for him not to try.

>You can use what you like, but you'll look like a tool.
7s are used to change the focus to be slightly more hypertrophy focused
>No, he's switching between three similar but slightly different movement patterns instead of focusing on drilling one pattern into his muscle memory so well he could do it asleep.
As a beginner you should be training multiple movement patterns, not a very small amount. Each squat variation is close enough to provide carry over to each other
>I'm a 30 year old boomer, not a fucking space marine. There's no reason for him not to try.
So am I. You asking him to do something with no evidence behind it. You said he shouldn't stop SS until 1/2/3/4 even though the statistics from SS forums show that most people finish well below that. I stopped my LP squatting 225x5 and now I can squat 500. There is absolutely no reason to stick to novice programming if it stops working.

was my first post in this thread. Have you read the OP? He hasn't done starting strength; why should he do your meme routine until he's seen how far he can go?

>Meme routine
What makes it a meme routine? I've already posted the value in having variations
>why should he do your meme routine until he's seen how far he can go?
Because why should he? You can still make progress with more advanced programming. The idea that you have to do SS and reset over and over because the amount of progress you make in your first 6 months is so important for some reason is retarded

SS is only good for complete amateurs. Its shit for anyone that far into training. If you're lagging behind its probably because you aren't resting enough or resting too much, that's so common.
Try mixing up your routine too, you need to shock your system sometimes and mix it up.

You are retardedThe goal of nlp is to milk it for as long as possible, going up in every lift every workout, eventually every other workout. Not get done with it as quick as possible to use slower intermediate or advanced programming

t. Scrawnlet 3 years on SS

>The goal of nlp is to milk it for as long as possible, going up in every lift every workout, eventually every other workout. Not get done with it as quick as possible to use slower intermediate or advanced programming
Except when you deload every month. If you looked at the actually positive progress mad (taking into deloads) you'd be better off moving onto intermediate programming.

You arnt supposed to deload every month. You are supposed to go up every workout. It you dont, you either fucked up the first three questions or you have completed nlp
Post body fag

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>You arnt supposed to deload every month. You are supposed to go up every workout. It you dont, you either fucked up the first three questions or you have completed nlp
You deload when you stall. Data says most people stall after 12 weeks. And as you get more advanced and stick with beginner programming you're going to stall more often

This thread is 100% broscience

Yes -- only 1 set of 5 deadlifts produces enough of a stress to progress. Doing more will just lead to stalling earlier.
Variations are stupid when the guy is weak enough to recover and train the squat again 48 hours later. Read SS.

which parts?

I'm over 260kgx5 and I still only do a single set of 5.

Dude at three weeks of SS I'm nearly at where you are after a year

>Yes -- only 1 set of 5 deadlifts produces enough of a stress to progress
And doing 3 sets will be better
>Doing more will just lead to stalling earlier.
Because you progress faster?
>Variations are stupid when the guy is weak enough to recover and train the squat again 48 hours later.
No they aren't. Variations are important and the beginner phase is when you should train multiple ranges of motions
>Read SS.
I've read every edition multiple times

100% generally means all parts

Then you have great genetics, a very far outlier. What works for you will not work for everyone. 99% of people will not get to a 290kg 1rm deadlift with just 1 set a week

I do it less than once a week lul. Sometimes don't recover in a week.

>I do it less than once a week lul.
Then you're a very far outlier
>Sometimes don't recover in a week.
I disagree

>Because you progress faster?
Because it's a greater stress that takes a bigger recovery. Same reason 5x3 is more effective than 5x5 for novices. The 5x3 progression will last longer because 5x5 will more quickly become impossible to recover from in 48 hours, and 5x3 is enough of a stress to continually produce adaptation.

>Because it's a greater stress that takes a bigger recovery
And most people under train, not under recover

>literally scrawnlet
LMAO
Why the fuck would you recommend SS to anyone as an intermediate/advanced program, its called STARTING Strength you dumb motherfucker, just look at you
How long have you been training?

How can you disagree with how long it takes me to recover?
Definitely not true. Almost every weaklings problem here is they do too much, at too low intensity, while not eating enough.

>How can you disagree with how long it takes me to recover?
I think that they reason why you think it takes so long to recover is because you treat it like it's something difficult to recover from
>Definitely not true. Almost every weaklings problem here is they do too much, at too low intensity, while not eating enough.
youtube.com/watch?v=_rl8fpW3gtg

OP please dont listen to this broscience dumb cunt

How about you squat 230x5 and then pull 260x5 and see how you feel the next few days.

Dude, adaptations take time. You have fallen for the western powerlifting fear of frequency. The reason you can't train at a higher frequency is because you haven't even tried

I squat 3x a week. I just don't deadlift often because it fucks me and I'm still LPing so what's the point.

Well, generally higher frequency training has shown better strength and hypertrophy gains
Why does your squat training look like?

A
BS 1x5

B
FS 3x3

C
BS 1x5

Go for new PR each time. I.e. TM with no volume day.

Im sure you look like an olympic god, if only you would post bod and prove you arnt dyel. Also i didnt recommend it as a intermediate program you illiterate fuck. Op is a novice and i recommended the best novice program

If you think variations from the main lifts are good for a novice, you either didnt read the book or just disagree with it
Idgaf if you listen to me, buy the book and listen to rippetoe.

Any of you advanced lifters wanna post bod and make me look like a bitch?

>If you think variations from the main lifts are good for a novice, you either didnt read the book or just disagree with it
I 100% disagree with it. What Mark Rippetoe says doesn't matter. Training multiple ranges of motion leads into more advanced training. The principles of Rippetoe's training is incredibly short-sighted

Post lifts lol

Is the 1/2/3/4 for one rep or 3x5 or 5x5 (I guess sets don't matter too much so one rep or 5 rep?)?

It's not for anything. It's entirely made up
500lb squat, 600lb deadlift, 325lb bench, 200lb body weight
I hope you don't think that weight lifting = programming knowledge

Its fine if you disagree with rip. But i dont think you read practical programming. Once the nlp is over or close to over the floodgates for variation open. There is no need for variation if you are going up in weight every workout. Variation doesnt lead to advanced training, getting strong leads to advanced training, and advanced training includes variation. Rip aint short sighted, he has an entire lifetime of lifting programs layed out

For most uses its for one rep, i like to judge it based off 3x5 because i dont ever max

I have read practical programming, in fact when I actually believed what Rip said I thought it was the greatest book of all time, and read it probably 4 or 5 times, but now just like with SS, I don't agree with it any more

What do you think is the best program for a novice

A program which is consistent, but also has a variety of rep ranges and movement patterns, which has room for emphasis on strength, hypertrophy and work capacity