Redpill me on veganism. Why are they so fucked in the head?

a single cow provides enough calories to feed a human for a whole year

meanwhile the pesticides on 1 cob of corn kills around 50 insects, and that isn't even a full MEAL. factor in all the other shit vegans are required to eat like nuts, fruits, and we're looking at thousands of animal deaths and damage to humans too (humans are the ones picking your fruit and vegetables)

Even if you were to keep your own vegetable garden, see how long you can go without killing any sentient beings to keep them from eating your crops. Beyond that, good luck growing all the plant foods vegans need to eat to eat to even hope of matching the nutrition from meat.

>nothing matters, dude
>it's all just relative anyways
>Why try?
Shouldn't you be watching Rick and Morty?

What if I'm a vegan and a national socialist

You're wasting your breathe with such an easily debunked argument. Almost all corn and onions is grown for animal feed. If everyone was vegan we would need a fraction as much farmland and pesticide to feed everyone.

Why you gotta do Nazis dirt like that?

You are conflating ideologies.

>Intellectlet
>ad hominem only

Checks out.

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Why the fuck do vegans freeze in winter?

>I'm a genius nihilist just like Rick
>I'm Pickle Rick!

You're retarded

The cow would be grass fed though, so no onion or corn for him. It's funny you're calling my argument debunked when the argument you put up is actually the most tired, debunked vegan talking point out there.

>Almost all corn and onions is grown for animal feed.

Majority of (86%) of animal feed is inedible to humans. Cows consume mainly waste-products that would otherwise become an environmental burden (capitalism dictates that it's more profitable to sell crops to humans instead of feeding them to livestock). 13% of animal feed consists of human-edible low-quality grains, which make up a third of global cereal (not total crop) production. Grain-fed cattle eat grass for the majority of their life and even then have a positive net protein contribution, which is why they are beneficial to global food security and sustainability. FAO estimates that we need 70% more animal products to feed the world by 2050.

>If everyone was vegan we would need a fraction as much farmland and pesticide to feed everyone.

Wrong again. You could use the farmland to grow as much grain and corn and onions and potatoes as you want, you would still never attain the same nutrition that you would get from meat. Vegans always say "the crops fed to cows could go to feeding humans!" but there's no equivalence in the actual nutrition content between meat and these crops.

Which nutrients are found in meat that can't be attained from plant sources?

>can only relate inevitability to nihilism
>inserts some cartoon into every retort

Read more, kid.

B12

>FAO estimates that we need 70% more animal products to feed the world by 2050

uhh that actually wasn't stated. not 70% animal products, 70% of GLOBAL FOOD PRODUCTION. at least quote your sources correctly, it really makes your argument look bad. also, meat only accounts for a small percentage of the average global calorie makeup consumed per day, the majority coming from wheat, rice and cereals.

>nazi
>reinforces the status quo

Wrong.

look up nutritional yeast fucktard

>eating the pig or being eaten by a pig is actually part of life
>zoomtard immediately thinks of nihilism even though there's no relation
How did you manage to become this fucking incredibly retarded? Did your nigger dad skullfuck you when you were an infant perhaps, and some of your brain got ejected out of your head?
It's literally impossible to describe how fucking retarded you are, holy shit.

Bearing in mind the status quo during Hitler's rise was hyperinflation, utter degeneracy and bolshevik jew violence against germans.

Because their moral compass is set completely differently.

I am surrounded by them (I live in a very hippy city) and from many conversations with them they really seem to believe that they're objectively correct from a moral standpoint - for example, when I try to explain to them that I know what the meat and dairy industry are like, but don't really care because I know that livestock can't percieve concepts like death or fairness, they don't really take that for an answer and carry on explaining how it's 'cruel'
We just have different concepts of cruelty: I DON'T believe you can be cruel to an animal because they wouldnt see it as "unfair", the same way they wouldn't be "grateful" for being free; whereas they DO see it as cruel because they see the human concept of injustice to be universal to every living thing, and they seem to anthropomorphise livestock and attach human emotions to them

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B12, Vitamin D, Vitamin A, Cholesterol, Fats (saturated, omega 3s), heme iron, to name a few. Some essential nutrients (Vitamin K2, EPA/DHA, Vitamin A) can only be obtained because they are converted from other sources, which is inefficient, limited or highly variable depending on the person. Omega-3 EPA/DHA from animal products (and algae) is linked to reduced risk of heart disease and stroke, but converting it from ALA (plant sourced) does not provide the same anti-inflammatory effects. Taurine is essential for many people with special needs, while Creatine supplementation improves cognitive function in those who don't eat meat.

The longest living countries consume the highest amount of meat. Pic related.

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That's a dumbass graph. Correlation=/= causation. You might as well replace ice cream for meat and the results would be the same.

Nice rebuttal
Yeast is a living thing, faggot.

inflammatory for many people and can contain mold toxins. Its not some vegan superfood like a lot of people claim. fda.gov/food/laboratory-methods-food/bacteriological-analytical-manual-bam

Well, congratulations you just debunked veganism yourself because all of the alleged science that supports veganism is nothing but correlations and assumptions.

The point is, nutrition science is still in its infancy. We know humans are not herbivores, and lean towards being a carnivore indicated by our gut pH. We can, and are meant to, eat meat. So there is no reason not to.

Vegans are literally guinea pigs being experimented on. Since this is the Yas Forums board, how about this.

Patrik Baboumian, the vegan symbol of strength, lies about holding a world record that actually belongs to Brian Shaw. Patrik is too weak to even get invited to World's Strongest Man. He inflates his strength by squatting with knee wraps, a spotter and above parallel, which is all not allowed in competition. He drops the weight during his "world record", which was done at a vegetarian food festival. His unofficial deadlift PR is 360kg, but the current world record is 500kg. We can compare his height-relative strength using the Wilks Score and see that he is being completely dwarfed by Eddie Hall (208 vs 273). Patrik also lives on supplements. He pops about 25 pills a day just to fix his nutrient deficiencies and gets over 60% of his protein intake by drinking shakes.

Veganism is anti-human. How did modern humans come about with our large brains which require a high amount of calories to develop and keep functioning properly? Eating from high calorie sources, aka meat, other animals. If you wish to deny humans meat, you are denying humans what made them human to begin with.

Vegans wish to put humans on the same moral plane as other animals, but ignore what those animals would do if the roles were reversed. Pigs for instance frequently kill/maim farmers. When this happens, we don't put the pigs on trial for murder as they are not moral agents. Other animals do not have rights, as they have no responsibilities. You cannot have rights without responsibilities.

Instead of worrying about their fellow man and working to improve their lives, vegans choose to use their limited time and resources to advocate for the rights of animals. They are species traitors.

The only reason to be concerned with "animal cruelty" is because of what it says about the person performing the cruelty, not for the animal's sake. People who exercise their sadistic tendencies torturing animals are something to be concerned with because they will likely move on to humans. People who kick, and electrically prod animals are not doing so out of sadistic desires, but because they have a job to do. Why would they care about the minor discomfort of these animals when their entire existence is predicated on them being killed for food?

To sum up, vegans do not have the moral high ground. They wish to force humans to stop freely engaging in activities in which no one's rights are being violated. They choose to spend their time advocating for animals instead of human beings. They participate in spreading propaganda about unhealthy diets that require modern conveniences to even be remotely possible. It is a cult, a starvation cult that wishes to give animals rights at the expense of human well-being.

Based. Truth right here.

They may not understand death or justice, but they certainly feel pain and try to avoid it, like the rest of us.

Pretty simple really. Animals can feel pain. We should try to avoid harming them if it's not necessary for our own survival. Veganism is an attempt to do that.

Why are all vegans such disingenuous liars?

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Ah, there is that word again
Should
Vegans always speak as with their beliefs are some default that everyone is deviating from, when they are simply ideas that some people subscribe to. YOU believe that YOU should not harm animals, and you are perfectly within your right to do that. However, why should others and I care for an animals pain? I would appreciate it if you avoid bringing up spooks, since trying to enforce values onto something that will never understand them or reciprocate them is a pretty silly endeavor

How fucking braindead are neoliberals that they unironically think they are against the status quo and nazis defend the status quo? Do they even know what status quo means or are they just using political words randomly?

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Of course they do. This proves my post - rather than accepting that our morals are different, vegan user just states this like it will pull my heartstrings.

So if animals have no idea what their fate is, and the slaughter is painless, then what is the issue?

daily reminder that your average vegan supports infanticide

WELL SAID

>Let's execute babies
>It's ok bro they don't know what their fate is and won't feel any pain

that's simply because veganism ((is)) infanticide

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What do you think the cow eats?

that's a strawman but its also unironically what most vegans actually do think. Just throw in something about it being "just a clump of cells" and refuse to ever call it a baby.

Yes

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Hey user, you know how you can read a thread before making a post? Maybe you should start doing that before you begin the same type of argument that another user already made (and was thoroughly BTFO)

Oh, so you’re Prolife? Funny, I always thought that vegans loved abortion

Based mudslime

The process is far from painless. Farm animals are confined to small cages for most of their lives, routinley mutilated, and suffer extreme discomfort as a result of their breeding. Slaughter often goes wrong; it's not uncommon for a cow to still be alive when dismemberment begins. The evidence for all of not only abundant in undercover videos and first person anecdotes; it's a natural outcome of treating living beings as products. I recommend the HBO documentary "Death on a Factory Farm" for examples of what I'm talking about.

>Babies are the same that a fetus

I literally do not care, I was just stating a hypothetical. I'd appreciate it if you would stop trying to make me care about things I do not.

I don't know what point you're trying to make. Are you bringing abortion into this?

>why should others and I care for an animals pain?
Are you okay with causing pain to any animals, or just farm animals? Would it bother you to see someone torturing a dog?

>BABIES ARE THE SAME AS ANIMALS

>if it's painless what does it matter
>it's not painless
>i still don't care
kys

I’m against unnecessary violence. Hitting a dog is worthless since there are more effective ways of training. Killing cattle and other animals for the purpose of consumption needs no justification

Do you even read the words that I post? I put up that hypothetical in response to your reasoning. I said in the post before that i have ZERO moral qualms with farming livestock.