Hey Yas Forums, so today I woke up with chest pain and went to the ER thinking it was a heart attack only to see that the EKG and blood work showed I was absolutely fine. This is the second time this has happened in 2 years, and no one seems to understand why it's happening to me. I'm 23, I don't smoke cigarettes (used to smoke pot, but don't anymore), I rarely drink (maybe once or twice every few months), I don't have a family history of heart problems, I don't have diabetes, etc. I am an overweight and sedentary person though. And I'm afraid a big heart attack is right around the corner, so I really want to get in shape. The thing is, I'm so scared to try out jogging or whatever else only to end up having a heart attack out on a trail with no help and end up dying. I don't know why I keep having chest pains and these "almost, but not really" heart attacks. It's scary and my anxiety just ends up making it way worse.
Has anyone else had anything similar with their heart? For example, this is how my day went: >wake up at 7:30am >chest pain on the left side >discomfort and "weird" feeling >pulse felt a bit high, but not racing like crazy >sweat all down my neck and back >chewed some aspirin thinking the worst >pain didn't really subside >felt light headed, dizzy, and started to really freak out >ask my dad to drive me to the hospital >get to hospital >lay in bed for a few hours hooked up to machines and an IV and getting my blood taken >EKG normal, blood normal, slightly high cholesterol, no diabetes, no sign of heart attack, no anything >don't want to give me a CT scan and tell me it was probably just "anxiety" which I know is utter bullshit because I've been dealing with these symptoms on and off for a few years now (the same thing happened at my last ER visit) >get home >feeling okay >eat >play some overwatch >get into an intense match >suddenly chest pain again >take another aspirin, sit down and breathe, pulse doesn't feel too crazy >post this
My job requires me to sit at a desk for 8 hours and when I get home I just like to relax and play vidya/watch stuff all night. So I know I'm in the worst shape of my life atm (6'0" at 260lbs), but there is something I must be able to do before it's too late.
I really don't want to die at 23, but exercise while my chest feels like this just from getting too pumped up in a video game makes me feel like I'm going to just fall over dead as soon as I work up a light sweat.
Christian Clark
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Parker Davis
There are cases where coronary arteries can spasm on their own without any fatty blockages and cause the same pressure/crushing chest pain and breathlessness of a heart attack. You might be able to get a doctor to prescribe fast acting nitroglycerin tablets to see if they give any relief. That way if you’re out on a trail and have a heart attack you can save yourself. You could also just change your diet and do treadmill. Changing your diet is the biggest way to prevent this for you.
Hunter Morris
Look up vasospastic angina or prinzmetal’s syndrome. Most common time for these is in the morning
Xavier Brooks
I plan on it.
I know I need a diet shift. I already cut out all sugary drinks and doing only water. I plan to eat healthier as well. I don't really have a gym close by, I think the closest one is like 20 minutes the opposite direction from my work. If anything I'd love to be able to at least get physically fit enough before having to spend a lot of time and money at a gym. Probably because I'd be self conscious about how I look, but maybe I'll look into it.
Jason Parker
This honestly does sound like anxiety and panic disorder. You seem awfully convinced you're going to die despite being a 23 year old male with no genetic disposition towards it. You even said your anxiety makes it worse. I think if something was going to happen it would've happened in the two years between this incident and the last one, don't you? Lastly, you said you used to smoke pot which is the origin of my own anxiety/panic problem and there's evidence out there it's caused similar issues in other people. Good luck. Anxiety is weird and hard to deal with at times.
Landon Ross
And what would I do for those or how would I bring it up with a doctor? I feel like both times I had my EKG, due to aspirin and how long it fucking takes them to stand around asking me questions I have already mostly calmed down and my heart has stopped freaking out. Blood work only would show if there was diseased tissue/cells from a heart attack, but if I'm just having these "spasms" I imagine they would have to be caught in the moment and wouldn't show up maybe?
Both times they felt at their worst (today, and my previous ER visit) were both shortly after waking up. I also read that heart attacks are more likely to happen in the morning rather than at night, so I never thought there would be a specific disease for it and it was just how heart attacks generally worked.
Eli Roberts
1. What is your diet like? 2. How overweight are you? Weight and height pls.
Easton White
My anxiety makes it worse, but I don't think being anxious causes it. This week has been honestly great, I have had no stress, no nerves, no anxiety at all, and I still had these problems.
When I say my anxiety makes it worse is because I've always been sort of a mild hypochondriac. If I feel like my chest even twinges with a tiny bit of pain, my first conclusion is "heart attack." So when my chest is actually severely hurting, enough to make me want to go to the hospital, I get so anxious and worked up I start feeling like I'm going to pass out and I hyperventilate a little. But I really don't think there is any anxiety that is actually spurring on the "attacks," the anxiety just makes the "attacks" feel worse.
James Ward
Terrible diet. Used to drink a lot of soda and sugary drinks (cut it out about a month ago), eat pretty poorly, but looking into making a super strict diet sometime in the coming weeks.
See (6'0" at 260lbs)
I grew up with a family that was severely obese, always allowed to eat whatever I want, whenever I wanted, always bought me soda, always took me to a fast food place for dinner instead of regular meals, and the one person who did cook food (albeit probably not the healthiest food) pretty regularly was my grandma and she died when I was 14. I was always chubby as a kid, maybe even more on the fat side, but right now I'm in the worst shape I've ever been in. 3-4 years ago I was sitting at 6'0" 210 which is still pretty bad, but I was more flexible, I walked a lot, I could squat, etc. The extra 50 lbs and my sedentary lifestyle recently has been really terrible for me.
Mason Lee
Vegan diet is the only one shown to reverse heart disease
Sebastian Jenkins
>slightly high cholesterol What are the actual values?
Aiden Morgan
No idea
John Fisher
Run Lift No sugar No drugs incl alcohol WALK during work breaks
Kayden Lopez
A strict diet won't help your fat ass out. Why? Because you will quit. Take it slowly. Dont do drastic changes. Buy a scale, eat at a maintenance for a few weeks and after that, create a calorie deficit every week. Dont go overboard with it, max 1000 but I would suggest 500-700 at your weight. Hit the gym, as always, no one cares you are there. You can build muscle while losing fat and well, more muscle helps you to lose more fat. Just as I said, dont make drastic changes. Need more info? Read sticky and go watch a few youtube videos
Jayden Parker
This is such bullshit.
Ryan Foster
have you asked your gp? tell them what's been going on over the months/years and how you occasionally get intense heart-attack-like symptoms
Luke Wood
Working out with weights while at risk of heart disease sounds like it can put a lot of unneeded stress on the heart and could kill OP. If he does go to the gym he should focus solely on cardio/aerobic exercises until he feels more comfortable.
Evan Adams
Dude trust me if chest pain is your only problem you're perfectly fine. Come back when you wheeze after doing something you usually barely break a sweat from. Or when your heart is having palpitations 24/7. How do your fingers look? That's a good indicator of blood flow, if they're pale and cold, it means they lack oxygen, if they're red and hot that means you're alright. I know you're afraid of a heart attack, but skinny people can too worsen their cardio with a shitty diet and sitting down, feeling that empty feeling in your chest when you inhale or feeling coldness and weakness in your fingers, I perfectly know the feeling. You're only 23 user, you're young, you can still bounce back, risk of heart failure lmao, if you keep at it you will be able to run marathons in 2 years and you will laugh at yourself. How can you be a hypochondriac about your heart and not exercise your brains out and watch your diet 24/7?
Matthew White
I don't have one. I guess I really should set one up and get regular checkups, but insurance is really awful here and I keep going on long periods where I have no insurance. Whenever I feel sick I just go to the urgent care clinic and they do checkups for 80 bucks.
Jayden Harris
Eat better you fucking retard. Exercise is not necessary for weight loss. The only thing that matters is how much you eat. Stop spamming the board with such a low quality question.
It's an intercostal spasm you absolute fucking idiot, you're not getting a heart attack at 23
What a moron
Jonathan Martinez
I'm not a doctor (yet) and this should be in no way considered medical advice, but everything you're describing can be easily explained by psychosomatic symptoms.
What's typical of heart attack is a very intense, long lasting, crushing or burning pain that often radiates somewhere (arm, neck). A stabbing/ pinning pain that you can still function with is usually neurotic, especially in young people.
Also the chest itself is not wired very precisely, so to speak, when it comes to the nerves that conduct pain, so pain that feels like it's coming from your heart may very well be coming from some other organ.
Isaac Adams
He is 23 and his dad took him to the emergency room over a panic attack, I kinda feel sorry for user, he probably lived a rough life but was never suicidal enough to smoke/drink so he wouldn't be so afraid for his health
Bentley Smith
Angiograms on those who adopted the diet showed widening of the blood vessels, no other diet has demonstrated this.
Because I'm a terrible person, raised poorly, and lazy sack of shit. I know it's not any good excuses, but always being fat growing up and years of depression, in and out of shitty wagie jobs after high school, and little to no social life just made me a recluse that spends all day playing video games and browsing Yas Forums.
I really want to change. I'm excited and looking forward to taking steps to change it. And it makes me really happy that most anons in this thread didn't just lambaste me with shitposts and meme at me. I really appreciate it.
Josiah Mitchell
Do as many squats as you can, no joke. If you can do 500 and can still breathe well and can still function, you're fine. Quit sugar and soda so your hearbeats per minute will subside, make a goal, 45, 50, 60, whatever. Exercise every day of your life (unless you have a fever or you're very sleep deprived) and you will live longer than you expect.
Julian Collins
I dunno how to explain it to you but everything you're saying (including in other posts) is just screaming anxiety. You're searching for all these reasons why you COULD have or develop a heart issue but you've been tested multiple times with clean results. You've said yourself you suffer from hypochondriasis. And it's 100% possible to have a fine week and still flip a switch one morning cus your chest feels funny and have a panic attack. There are a lot of nonsevere reasons for your chest to hurt, as well, such as acid reflux Strongly believe your history of marijuana usage is contributing to this. If its any reassurance I've known 5-10 different people with similar stories to this and none of them had the significant health issues they insisted they must have.
Lincoln Martin
I am kinda in the same boat as you currently, I contracted a very bad flu and the fever ruined my cardio completely, I am personally surprised I didn't die. Now I try to regain my energy literally just by walking. Do something that's not too hard so you bulid tolerance to more and more hard exercise.
Xavier Hernandez
Cut out all vegetable oils sugary food and drink/eat only non processed foods and slowly inch yourself into cardio. Vegetable oils cause your bodies transport system of cholesterol to not work properly so instead of cholesterol being eaten and delivered to hungry cells it goes round and round then implodes blocking arteries read deep nutrition it goes in heavy detail about this and how to eat properly.
Brayden Flores
Woah, so the Mediterranean people whose entire cooking is meats, healthy fats, nuts, and vegetables, who have the longest life expectancy, and are generally healthier than most of the people in the world are wrong?
You're a fucking idiot. Of course cutting down on red meat, dairy, and unhealthy fats will help your heart, retard. Doesn't mean you need to be "Vegan" and hell you don't even need to be vegetarian. Just eat all the other stuff in moderation and eat more chicken/fish instead of beef. Eat more veg than you do meat. Stop eating fried foods and cooking with unhealthy fats. Wow, we just solved heart disease!
William Martinez
You're retarded
Blake Rogers
Doesn't acid reflux just hurt in your esophagus/neck? Not op, but I've never had GERD affect the left side of my chest and I suffered with it for a year.
Bentley White
The term you're looking for is ANGINA.
It's a mild form of heart attack. It shows the early stages of heart disease.
If you were having an actual heart attack you wouldn't be able to move around during it at all.
Anginas last for only a couple of minutes and can happen quite regularly.
It's largest symptoms is "tightness" of the chest that can seem painful.
Owen Brown
Speaking from personal experience the bloating and stuck air has caused my chest to hurt.
Sebastian Moore
>This honestly does sound like anxiety and panic disorder. This. Obviously get all the medical tests done to confirm nothing is wrong with you. What's happening is your constantly thinking about your symptoms and then associating them to what you think is wrong with you. This results in anxiety and can escalate into a full blown panic attacks. Google CBT and the Dare Method and see if they help. You probably have some physical issues causing pain, most people do past a certain age, but your manifesting these into larger issues than they really are with bad mental models.
Charles White
Lose your weight through diet exclusively. For a light exercise, walk.
Brody Powell
Try a plant based diet vegan diet.
Pretty much chest pain for three years. Two weeks of being vegan suddenly chest pains go. No chest pain for a year and four months.
Elijah Clark
I can believe what you are saying, it's just hard to really accept it I guess. I do also have tachycardia from my sedentary lifestyle (heart usually around 100-110 bpm even while resting, sometimes if I'm super calm it can be in the 90s).
So it's just scary seeing a high pulse while feeling chest pain, which then devolves into more pain, panic, light headedness from breathing too hard, etc. Panic attacks are scary, I had a real bad one a few years ago where I over oxygenated my blood which caused both my hands and arms to go numb and my fingers started curling in on their own. I ended up vomiting a ton too.
Landon Long
>BRO YOU NEED TO STOP EATING MEAT ENTIRELY IT'S THE ONLY WA-
Or or you could stop being an extremist and promote OP to do more cardio and lower his body fat.
Isaiah Bailey
>CBT Cock and Ball Torture?
Joshua Watson
Do all vegans speak like ESL mouthbreathers?
Josiah Powell
History of panic attack. That's case closed for me, king. Obviously you've talked about some other health concerns you've got for yourself. Learn to cook the proper nutritious food you should be eating and start exercising. Be aware you will feel like utter shit when you start jogging or whatever. Make sustainable choices for your future health. When you're taking proper care of yourself you won't feel as much health insecurity.
Owen Collins
They have lower incidences of heart disease. Their diet hasn't been shown to reverse it once its there tho.
Logan Murphy
Have you considered getting a Holter test? That way you could confirm if your attacks are of cardiac nature at all. Maybe you have a rib neuralgia like me, the symptoms sound similar. If so, the pain is real, but it doesn't threaten your heart at all, it just sucks. Do you also feel the pain under your thorax, or just at a single point on your left side?
John Walker
>whole food as opposed to partial food?
Levi Gonzalez
fucking THIS. I had severe acid reflux that was mimicking cardiac symptoms. So bad that it was causing ulcers in my esophagus and sending nerve pain signals into tissue around my heart / lungs. Once I got my reflux under control it all went away over a period of 3 months. The body has a lot of wiring that can be misleading, don't assume, see some specialists and get it confirmed.
Ian Brown
It's usually about a few inches to the left from the middle of my chest, but after the pain subsides I feel "tender" or sore around my lower back under the ribcage on the left, and somewhat under my armpit.
Thomas Cox
jesus christ dude, lose weight. that is number one. lose weight. your heart rate WILL go down. get to a healthy weight from diet and then start a regular exercise routine. and let this be a lesson to never take your health for granted.
Alexander Flores
How did you manage it? I've been having reflux problems recently and I'm tired of the throat burn and sour regurgitation.
Wyatt Robinson
depends how bad yours is. mine required surgery in the end. I was able to semi-control it with meds by taking pepcid AC max dose around the clock and eating tums like skittles. I stayed away from PPI drugs because google it they are dangerous long term. the two least invasive surgeries are stretta and linx, google those. Go see a GI doctor and get tested there are two mains tests they will do to see if you need surgery or not.
Ethan Young
this has probably been posted already but nothing will better help you get to baseline fitness for starters than fasting and walking my man.
OP heart failure is entirely different from a heart attack which is entirely different from cardiac arrest. Also stop fucking taking aspirin every time you have the vaguest sensation in your thorax. It probably is anxiety/panic vs GERD
Jonathan Brooks
bro you need nitric oxide support. try this supplement.
the endothelial layer is an organ that is often overlooked. you need to support it. its literally what prevents heart attacks and stops bad cholesterol from building up.
seriously give it a try you will feel better.
if you dont believe me google the endothelial layer.
Joseph Ross
Though I never have chest pain, I've had really bad heart palpitations. I've been to the ER multiple times and have had pretty much every test done to me in the book. I was diagnosed with sinus tachycardia, which is basically induced by anxiety, and a vitamin D deficiency (mine was 7 and it was supposed to be over 30ish). I've also been diagnosed with GAD, or generalized anxiety disorder, but have never taken an meds for it.
My doctor prescribed me a low dose of beta blockers to slow my heart down but I never took them because I've heard horror stories about them online. I'm only 21 so i didn't want to risk messing something up or becoming dependent on a prescription drug. I took it upon myself to find a cure so I started taking magnesium and vitamin D supplements. My heart palpitations are pretty much gone and much of my anxiety has dissipated as well thank god.
Just try to help yourself. Doctors aren't all they're cracked up to be sometimes and I've heard similar stories all over the internet. Try to get some blood tests if you haven't already in relation to your vitamin levels. Vitamin deficiency can cause things like anxiety, etc. You're not alone as well user, just try not to get discouraged. When in doubt, if this happens again, go to the doctor. You could go to a cardiologist or something as well. I went to one and had a patch on my chest for two weeks recording my heart. Nothing showed up that would be any cause of concern. Anyways, in the mean time, try to search for ways to handle it yourself.
Henry Hill
Dude. Fuck that. Sign up for the gym. Start making a routine. Doesn't matter what you do there at first...just go. Make that shit like a clockwork part of your day. Consistency is what is going to get you where you want to be.
Xavier Lewis
You likely have an SVT, I have the same issues, talk to your doctor about it. Some will brush it off as a panic attack but it isn't.
Daniel Robinson
man, reading these threads makes you terrified at how uneducated the general population is with medical issues. every drug has a side effect, dont go fear mongering. aspirin in a patient with no prior coronary artery disease has actually been proven to be detrimental to the average person when you scale the potential benefits with the cons (higher risk of GIT bleeding). it's still an essential drug when prescribed for the correct purposes, in which case i don't think the OP's is valid
saying you're "at risk of heart failure" at 23 with no genetic risk factors other than obesity, which you can control.
for what it's worth i do think your pain is almost certainly MSK or anxiety related. someone mentioned prinzmetal's angina which is extremely unlikely in your demographic and wouldn't fit anyway (you could replicate something in a stress test).
heart attacks are generally never going to be associated with a high racing pulse; think about it, your blood flow is being impaired to that area of cardiac tissue. if it was truly tachycardic to keep up with the drop in cardiac output; that is when you would start going into cardiac arrest.
as a general rule, heart rates around 100-120 bpm in a young patient are unlikely to be anythig sinister. maybe inappropriate sinus tachycardia/POTS or an ectopic atrial tachycardia, but a "true" SVT or arrhythmia would be faster in that demographic. that's not to say that testing isn't warranted to see if there's a structural issue as to why that may be occuring though
just focus on losing weight and making healthy decisions. I have absolutely nothing against weed but i have seen your exact story 100's of times in young, slightly overweight 18-35 y.o males with intermittent chest pain following a history of marijuana usage. i have never seen/done an unbiased study but from anecdotal experience it is really common, and in all those 100+ cases there has never been significant coronary artery disease or cardiac reason for angina.
Nolan Evans
>aspirin in a patient with no prior coronary artery disease has actually been proven to be detrimental to the average person when you scale the potential benefits with the cons (higher risk of GIT bleeding)
Aspirin is an OTC drug that even a child could buy. It's not going to cause internal bleeding if you take 1 250mg aspirin every time you have chest pain (which shouldn't be often for someone in their 20s). People take aspirin for headaches and shit all the time and pop them like tic tacs. You aren't going to just fall over and die from GI bleeding unless you are well into your 60s and on a prescription aspirin that you take every day or some shit.
Daniel Howard
Same thing happened to me, just older (38 at the time). Turns out it was Lyme disease
Jayden Miller
>heart attacks are generally never going to be associated with a high racing pulse Isn't the entire point of a heart attack a fast pulse and heart failure is a faint/stopped pulse?