Are deadlifts necessary for general strength?

ITT: 9 people out of 10 don't lift

Deadlifts are pretty much the single biggest exercise in terms of carry-over to other lifts
They build a strong upper back which is huge for bench press and OHP in particular
They strengthen posterior chain including hip abductors and spinal erectors, both of which have big carryover for squats, hip thrusts and more
They're not bad for hamstrings and quads, though better exercises exist for each
They're great for grip strength, which is pretty much universal in terms of carry-over for back work
and plenty more
In terms of heavy compounds, deadlift is literally the top of the list and since progressive overload is an essential part of every compound after a certain point, arguing that it isn't necessary is simply denying reality
Yes, there are places where there are better choices- olympic lifting being the prime example where front squats have much more carry-over, but if you're in your first few years of lifting or going for a heavy conventional compound and not doing deadlifts you should probably be wearing a safety helmet

People who bench, or squat a lot and don't deadlift a lot don't really exist. Anyone arguing otherwise indisputably doesn't know what they're talking about

how much did Arnold deadlift

i squat a lot. and i used to never deadlift dude. dont pretend you are the be all end all. only started deadlifting because i am trying to join the army.

i havent seen an ass that fat in years jesus.

>People who bench, or squat a lot and don't deadlift a lot don't really exist
I bench about 180kg or whatever is equal to 4pl8s. I have lifted for almost 9 years now but still stand by the saying: deadlift r 4 fags.

I play rugby so I pretty much have to do them to not get squashed in contact

Family member of mine was on an NFL team.

They consider deadlifts too high risk, unless the point is to train cleans. Otherwise the chances of injury don’t outweigh the benefits of the exercise alone.

They're necessary for general "not being a little bitch"

I agree with this post and I hate deadlifts. Being able to deadlift AT LEAST 2pl8 for reps is essential for building an absolute minimum level of strength in basically every muscle group that matters. You CAN get there without deadlifts, but why would you? It'll just be harder, require very specific programming, likely longer workouts, and will likely take longer.

Deadlifts become increasingly unnecessary the further up in weight you go because you've already built a good enough base if you can pull 2pl8s w/ good form for reps. Which is convenient because the risk factor for deadlifting under 2pl8s is virtually nonexistent.

Pretty sure some mr Olympia dont even do deadlifts

Unironically same reason. Saw that episode and it clicked that wow compound movements are only necessary for muscle synthesis and getting better at compound movements. Never looked back and only do deadlifts to make sure 315 isn't getting heavy.

Then your bench is nearly equal to mine. At this level you're perfectly aware of how leg drive and tight legs carry over from squats and deadlifts and how important upper back is. Simply stated: I don't believe you
Squat and deadlift have the single biggest carryover. I don't know how much you squat or deadlift but I simply could not do more than about 5 or 6 plates unless I consistently trained both
I also have no idea what joining the army has to do with the topic but good for you
>They consider deadlifts too high risk
As do many other places. Olympic lifts are also generally considered too complicated and dangerous for almost all sports training programs because for the most part they involve lots of technique and lots of weight
None of this alters the facts above and how retarded everyone in this thread is being

The current Army Combat Fitness Test (ACFT) requires you deadlift. its one of the fitness requirements that they test your deadlift. minimum varies a lot. they only require you lift a max of 330 though.

Not the strongest guy around. But anyway:
S:5x187.5kg
B:5x130kg

I rarely deadlift, but it only takes a session or two to get my deadlifts back to 5pl8 for a few reps. I think low-bar squats and rows strengthen your posterior chain without deadlifting

Not to say people shouldn't deadlift. They probably should. I just don't enjoy training them.

is there even a way to do them that isnt awkward as fuck. just feels weird. sumo feels much better.

The only way to hurt your back during deadlifts is if you don't know how to deadlift. Probably half the people I see deadlifting in the gym have real shitty form or are just doing some kind of romanian deadlift hybrid. If you read a real guide on how to deadlift or just watch some good videos, and you follow the instructions properly, you are not going to hurt your back.

When people say ''there is no such thing as dumb questions'' they should look at retarded questions like the one in the OP. This is a stupid question coming from someone who has zero comprehension of anything.
The question doesn't even make sense.
Deadlifts are deadlifts and if you do deadlifts you will train the muscles that are involved in the deadlifts. Those muscles can be trained with other exercises.

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He's talking about a lot of weight not a lot of times

From what I recall, somewhere in the 300kgs range.

>deadlift is risky
Learn proper form and train your lower back then retards

Only people who injure themselves are dyel idiots who have trained for less than a year and snap their shit up because they've never heard of a hyperextension

I sometimes do RDLs. Got them up to 8x220kg with good ROM (nearly touching floor).
They're far more comfortable for me.
I know this means that my DL start position is just shit, but I can't be bothered working on it.

imagine the smell

I dont think so. Wtf do they even work? Tried out deadlifting once and hit 405 for 3 and just felt exhausted with some back pain and no pump. No pump no thanks

Because their low backs are worth millions dollar and even then they trap bar deadlift and some coach do make them deadlift.
DeFranco, who trained a lot of football player say he sometimes switch from trap bar deadlift to conventional deadlift depending on their weakness after they mastered the trap bar.

>No pump no thanks

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Try high volume snatch grip deadlifts and enjoy an insane pump from the neck to your ankles

they're ok for functional strength since they basically work out all the muscles that are required to pick things up

the problem with deadlifts lies in the amount of weight people use. Deadlifts are the easiest way to injure yourself, since stress is put on the lower back

slow high reps with lower weight will achieve the same thing

You're never going to pick up a 300lb object in your daily life, especially the way that you do in a deadlift

absolutely not. the risk/reward ratio is simply untenable for non-competitive lifters.

I wouldn’t say for general strength, but I do them to get faster and more explosive. Speed kills

Army pt test is three reps max score for certain jobs is 400+ pounds, this is trap bar deadlift.
What does 400lb equate to in real dL?

Why do I feel a stretch in my triceps when I trap bar dL? It’s not painful.

Why do people think deadlifts are so risky. I’ve always found squats being much more easier to get hurt doing and have never had any problems with deadlift.

Does sumo count? Can't do regulars deadlifts because of injury.

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Not really, I've seen tons of guys who look great and don't deadlift. Depends on what your goal is though.

No it isn’t

>Wtf do they even work?
>pulled 405lbs cold for reps and hurt his back then never tried them again
>tfwyou share a board with people this fucking retarded

because it's much easier to fuck up if you don't engage your hams and glutes properly. If you don't engage your hams and glutes, your lower back is taking most of the force of the lift

both lifts are very risky due to the fact that an unhealthy amount of weight is being supported by your spine. They rely very heavily on perfect form for every rep, otherwise you are causing permanent injury to yourself.

What team and what last name?

>deadlift is too risky
>flat benching isn't
>preacher curling isn't
All exercises can fuck you up if you do it like a retard.

There's no other workout that hits back and core the way diddlies do.
Unless there is. Idk.
Post em.

whats with preacher curls?
biceps tendon rip-off with ROM impaired bodybuilders`?

idiots doing too much weight on isolation stuff, many such cases

Any time you go too heavy on a bicep movement you can tear your shit and ruin your body appearance for life. That's why over/under grip on deadlift is also stupid. If you can't hold onto it, just use straps instead of being an ego lifting shitlord.

Too many people are afraid to just lift lighter for more reps, use straps, use pauses, contractions, etc. to get the work you need to grow. Everyone always needs MUH FUKIN 1 3 5 7 8 9 BRAH I CANT LET THESE THOTS SEE ME CURLIN THEM 20S BRAH STRAPS FOR PUSSIES SHIT DAWG YAH BUDDYYYYYYYYYYY.

They're hands down the most useful exercise. 9/10 if you're picking something up you will be picking it up from the floor. Being able to bench 400lbs has little carry over to being able to pull something from the ground and carry it. The only times you actually need strength, you will primarily need the ability to deadlift well

And then they get fucking lucky and don't suffer injury, then broscience out and say "it ain't happen to me lol dyel fag" while ignoring actual fucking physiology.

140 pounds to 340 pounds
Three reps

I was wrong. Now I don’t feel so bad. 4 months lifting and I could still do good at a army PT test at 35yo

>former milfag

I don't deadlift heavy, just have my set weight for cozy RDL's where I maintain at
I use the same weight for rows as for deadlifts
I OHP more than 99% of Yas Forums
don't let egolifter fags that break their bodies in their 20s dictate which lifts you should or shouldn't do, after all your health and mobility is the most important thing

Not even breaking parallel

It depends, are a powerlifter or Oly lifter?
I'm switching now to volume deadlifts, with a lower weight than my 5RM. Volume is very important to build strength

yes, in fact theyre literally the best for it
deadlifts, cleans, and overhead presses are literally the goats of general functional strength
>pick up heavy things
>put heavy things up high
>explosive power