>beloved male character protecting a young girl
>does the best he can despite his flaws
>actual role model and protector
>female writers take over
>they decide he's toxic
>they get him killed by a literally who bitch in the most emasculating way possible
>writers actually think you're going to side with the literally who bitch for some reason and get mad when nobody does
Hmmmmm.
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Based. Fuck Jane
Surely no other dev would attempt this move.
Who the fuck would kill Kenny. I left him for AJ's sake and for the hope that he will be alive somewhere in Florida.
Now that the dust has settled on the Clementine saga, my only real complaint is as you said, OP.
Who, WHO thought Jane was a good idea? It was such a bizarre choice.
He was a hick. I enjoyed watching him become an arsehole and then siding with Jane. It was entertaining. Probably the only redeeming story element of TWD2.
Fucking love Kenny
It seems like the writers (noticeably the former female writers at TellTale) were outraged that there were people who DIDN'T side with Jane, as she was obviously right and Kenny was "a danger to Clem".
Normal people saw her as unhinged, unbalanced and ready to murder a guy after he got mad about her killing a baby. They saw her as a brave woman who had exposed Kenny as dangerous.
It's really insane when you think about it, but this warped writers perspective is PRECISELY what also got Joel killed in TLoU2.
>feminazism
>not even once
At least the difference between Kenny and Joel is that you can side with Kenny in game.
I killed Kenny, but not for the reasons the game assumed. I knew Jane was up to some shit, but I'd already seen Kenny go ham on Carver and thought he was losing his sanity and humanity. I shot him to stop his descent into madness.
Then the game spun it as me agreeing with Jane, which was some horseshit. I can't recall another time my motives and the game's interpretation of those motives were less aligned. The second season was already weak, but that immediately made me lose all interest in a continuation.
Originally it was gonna be Kenny vs Luke, which is honestly a way better choice. It was retarded to bring Jane back after saying she was gonna leave the group.
I don't buy that.
Telltale went to shit and Season Two was awful, but siding with Jane thrusts you into a very uncertain. Siding with Kenny gives you the unambiguously better ending, whether to made the correct choice (enter the settlement) or the cheese choice (stay with Kenny).
Jane was a shitty character and the last conflict was fucking stupid, but if you pick Kenny they literally give you the happiest possible sequence of events.
Kenny did nothing wrong.
Let him kill that stupid bitch and felt good when he did.
Also LOL at the writters for being mad the majority chose the actually likable character. Fuck them.
He was a moron from minute one of the first game.
Season 2 is honestly a cluster fuck
Episode 1 was written by the original writers of season 1, but sometime during episode 2 development, literally everyone From season left telltale or went to work on The wolf among us and leave after it was done. in the files there’s a shit load of unused stuff, and the season was meant to be darker.
Was there another game after the second? I don't remember him having an eyepatch...Anyway My ending was Kenny and Clem going into that one city together as like a family. It was nice, I shot the horrible lady who neglected her watch duties to have sex and stole a baby.
The fuck was wrong with me typing this.
>Uncertain ENDING
>Whether YOU made the correct choice
what i love the most about kenny is that even when you do kill him. and he is on the ground bleeding out. he doesn't curse at clem or even asks her why. he is just accepting of it he tells her its ok and to stay safe that he is sorry and loves her and then he dies. this man was genuinely one of the best written male character, i could almost argue that he is better then lee himself
There are 2 more seasons and a michonne spin-off that everyone forgets.
Kenny gets his face caved in by Carver in season 2 which leads to the eye patch
Well, they had to shoehorn that strong female role model in somehow.
You see, just like Ellie, a young girl can't stand on her own unless her father figure is killed off. The writers are typically women without fathers or who hates their own (and men in general), so it makes sense to them that in order for the female lead to grow, any ties she has to men, especially protectors/parental figures must be severed and eliminated.
And then she needs to be a lesbian or have a lesbian encounter too, obviously. That's very important to being stronk and independent without toxic males.
Oh okay, do any of those tie into the first two pretty well? Its been a long time and I don't remember much, but I do remember Kenny being there at the end, and me shooting the baby stealing woman for being retarded and stealing a baby.
Can we talk about the bullshit that is the opening of the season 2 final episode?
>episode 4 ends with stand off where everyone has a gun pointed at each other
>zombie Rebecca shows up and startled everyone and people start shooting each other
>both parties have shot guns and assault rifles
>episode 5 starts with the other group completely dying and Luke getting shot in the leg. No one else in the group gets hit
Mike was supposed to die there originally
>they decide he's toxic
Despite supporting Kenny every single time, since I believed Larry wasn't dead and tried to help Lilly, he said I never had his back, and tried to let the cannibal brother kill me.
Since he's still resentful about that, when we were at the pharmacy he tried to let me die again.
He claimed I never had his back a single time despite taking care of him and his family several times.
He refused to help me save Clementine because "You never did anything for me" when the only thing I didn't do was help him kill Larry.
I'm sorry. Can you tell me how he wasn't toxic in the first game?
Could you imagine another developer trying to do that shit AGAIN? That would be crazy. Imagine if you couldn't stop it like you could in TWD. Crazy.
I remember how they made a big deal about keeping the autistic girl safe and they she just dies and nobody notices or acknowledges it at all because a baby was just born how sweet.
any sauce ? this sounds like an interesting read
I liked Jane.
They did her dirty, the character mocks suicide the entire game and is ALL ABOUT SURVIVAL, oh noe, she had unprotected sex, oh noe, suicide time haha!
So stupid. She was the embodiment of what you had to be to survive the apocalypse.
Season 3 is pretty stand alone and mostly follows a guy named Javi. Clem basically becomes a side character you sometimes play as.
No matter who you pick Kenny and Jane will be dead by the time the first episode starts
Jane hangs herself for being pregnant and Kenny dies in a fucking car crash.
Season 4 is just Clem’s ending and finding a “family” it’s okay. Also Lilly returns here.
If Sarah and/or Nick didn't get such bullshit deaths in E4, they would have been the perfect shootout victims.
3 > 4 > 2 = 1
in the first game he was a pathetic scared man then turned into a half crazy broken man. his character arc got way better after lee died imo. it probably has to do with him growing since the death of his family
I disagree. Jane got really close to Clementine and tried to use her as a replacement of her sister. It made A LOT OF SENSE for her to come back.
I don't get it. Why Yas Forums hates character development? Jane starts as a bitch who doesn't give a shit about everyone but still is willing to put herself at risk to help, she does it with Rebecca and twice with Sarah. So she stops being a selfish lone wolf and starts caring about others, specially Clem.
Yet it's bad writing for that to happen? She should have been a lone wolf and stay that way?
>but I'd already seen Kenny go ham on Carver
>beating that psycho to death being anything but bad
I sided with Jane just because Kenny was the one who started trying to kill her, and then immediately regretted it when she revealed she just hid the baby to provoke him. I fucking hated Jane so much after that. Then I lied and said I sided with Kenny in the next game only for him to die in a fucking flashback.
This is why siding with Kenny but parting ways at the compound is objectively the best ending.
I guess? But it's still extremely stupid that people would even suggest he wasn't toxic in the first game. He has wife beater vibes jesus christ, he wants you to murder Ben, despite killing Lilly's dad he was dreaming non stop about her dying and didn't give a shit about her killing Carley, he was just happy she gave the group an excuse to kick her out.
Kenny has always been awful. Fast forward to S2. Starts calm, mended, boom, group gets kidnapped and if you don't stop him he gets Alvin killed, then when Sarita dies he's awful to Clem and refuses to help the group, then he gets creepy with the baby and tries to murder Jane because he made a scenario in his head in which Jane is a baby killer.
Funny that op says Kenny is flawed but still Jesus. The only thing redeemable about him was taking the beating and losing his eye for Clem.
>Kenny was the one who started trying to kill her
Not really. He was trying to beat her up. She was the one who brought a lethal weapon into the fight and escalated it by stabbing the guy. I'm not saying he 100% would have stopped beating her before he killed her, but her trying to stab him to death is what removed that option from the table.
As nice as the reunion was, Season 2 goes to shit because it just becomes the Kenny show. It effectively goes through the same story arc for him again (even giving him a new wife to get killed partly thanks to Kenny time wasting), only this time it’s more consuming so no other character gets development and so nobody cares when they all die. It’s clear they were trying to build up to Kenny v Luke, but that goes nowhere and instead they just shoehorn Jane back in and completely change her character just to force some kind of final episode conflict because they stupidly resolved the actual conflict back in Episode 3, found a new one in Episode 4 and then resolved that one too. People got so swept up in Kenny Vs Jane they were giving the writers a free pass over how much of a shitshow it was that there was even a Kenny v Jane finale battle in the first fucking place.
Season 2 wasn’t the worst thing Telltale made, but it was the beginning of the rapid decline with only a couple of glimmers of light like Borderlands saving it from being a total collapse.
No. This is literally why the alone ending is best.
I really can't express how tired I am of Yas Forums pretending characters know the future. Clem doesn't know what will happen, she didn't play the game, do you guys think Luke knew Darth Vader was his father from the beginning because you already watched the movie?
From Clem POV, Kenny went crazy and tried to kill Jane for what she calls an accident and they don't even know what truly happened.
People are too bias against Jane they like to pretend Clem, as her own character, always hated Jane, when it's the opposite and even th rude options towards Jane like "u want a cookie?" are not about hate.
Letting Kenny kill Jane = Clem didn't have the balls to murder Kenny so he allowed him to do what he pleased
Just deal with the fact Kenny went bonkers and Jane is a bitch, leave them both.
>car crash
>during a time where few functioning cars are available
If the writers wanted to kill him off, they could have done something better than that.
Source on writers actually getting mad? Sounds funny.
>REEEEE how dares a thin woman grab a knife when a 6 feet tall grown man is about to beat her to death!
Are you stupid?
Carver was an asshole, but I'm not talking about him, I'm talking about Kenny. I knew Kenny wasn't going to just shoot him and be done with it, he'd beat him to death, and he'd enjoy it. That's what bothered me about it: seeing Kenny, my old friend, a family man, descend into savagery. Killing Carver wouldn't "Make him no better than Carver," that line is pretty much always bullshit, but brutalizing him instead of just offing him signaled problems to come.
Jane was a fucker, but there was a solution to this problem that wasn't killing her. I didn't want to see Kenny lose himself completely, so I put him down; not because Jane didn't deserve punishment, but because I hated seeing him like that.
>thrown out of a speeding car
>realizes he's paralyzed from the waist down
>doesn't even hesitate, tells Clem to save AJ and forget about him
He deserved better, we didn't deserve him.
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There is no source. It didn't happen. Are you people stupid? They gave you a choice that ended up with 50/50, a perfect balance, and you think they are going to be mad you didn't pick that option?
Jesus christ, I want all women to b raped and killed but you guys hate on female writers and making up scenarios of them being triggered in your heads is pathetic.
i never played se3 or 4, i guess development took forever and i lost interest, is this series worth concluding? or should i just stay with the good memories of a good first season and a ok-ish second season?
Woah calm down that's why I asked for source.
You're retarded. The man got beaten to death, he could have died. He lost his eye. And all of that because he took the blame in an entire situation of hostages CARVER HIMSELF STARTED.
Beating Carver to death in that way was the right thing to do.
I'm not saying she shouldn't defend herself. I'm just saying that she's the one who escalated it to murder. Intentionally. If you try to appeal to her and tell her to just fucking run, she explicitly says she doesn't want to do it because she wants to kill Kenny. Maybe he would have strangled her, or beat her to death. Or maybe he would have slapped her around a bit and leave her be. Once you start stabbing with an 8 inch hunting knife, the fight can only end in death.
If he had just made it quick, they might have been able to get out of there without the team doctor and his love interest getting killed. Splitting up also results in the death of one other guy (assuming he’s not dead already) and can potentially get a teenage girl killed (who will also die 5 minutes later anyway because ha ha fuck your choices mattering these are final destination rules)
Posts like this are honestly why I think Kenny was the best character in the series. For a game all about making choices (when those choices didn't actually matter), how people feel about Kenny, love him or hate him, was something to actually discuss and circulate outside the game. I have two good friends and all three of us played TWD. One of them loved Kenny, the other thought he was a dangerous idiot, and I fell in the middle, and it was something to actually have a conversation about.
Pretty much every other character is just a rough sketch of a person, enough to hold your attention but not enough to actually have an opinion about, unless it's a unanimous opinion like fuck Lily. Kenny is contentious. It's the one actual victory the writers scored.
S2 Kenny is muh boy and I got best ending and never touched that series again.
I hated 4. It's fun and all but it has the worst ending with a huge bait. I liked 3 despite everyone hating it but the writing is pretty bad and the characters are unlikable.
People hate 3 though because it didn't have Clem as protagonists and pedos got mad they couldn't roleplay as a little girl constantly being chased by grown men.
And well... the writing of 4... it's bad all around and it gets a pass because "yaay clem protagonist again". What makes me sick the most is how hard they tried to push Clem being a dyke. Imagine being a 40 year old male writer pushing so bad for a 9 year old to grow up and become a dyke. Creepy and pedo is what the Final Season writers are.
Louis was the only redeemable thing.