Honestly, which side you on?

movies>>>>>games

I think they both look at fun in a very one-dimensional way, sometimes tense simulation type gameplay can be extremely fun.

I'm not big on Nintendo but damn Reggie's right.

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Why didn't duckman go ahead and make a movie instead? Why waste his time in video games?

why are you on Yas Forums then and not Yas Forums?

Sad news for you. That cat died of covid.

I finally recently played TLOU1, and I gotta say I did somewhat enjoy it
The gameplay was fun enough once I stopped playing the cancer stealth, and while the story isn't a "happy" one it was pretty memorable thanks to the big twist.

but i've always been more firmly on Reggie's side
Movie games do have their place in the industry, but they're more popular and common than they should be
More games that are just bloody fun for the sake of it need to be made again

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If I want a story I read a book. If i want gameplay I play a game.

Nintendo always wins

>Druckman is based
excuse me but what? why?

he died based

Because tv doesn’t talk about movies, but kids

I'm so glad everyone's finally getting sick of shitty movie games. Hopefully TLOU2 is the straw that breaks the camels back and we start gettting FUN games back with fun gameplay > story

Neither.
>anti-funfags
For fags who wants to make movies
>must be fun
Any amount of challenge or frustration is bad.

For single handedly ruining Sony's ace up their sleeve franchise and cancelling pre-orders globally because he didn't pay some BR for painting a floor.

i doubt you have ever read a book besides the ones that forced you to read in school

"fun"

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Team Reggie. Fuck Druckmann.

Neither.
I use the word fun but I don't want the games to be fun.

Reggie is right

You've got the right idea, but I don't think challenging and fun are contradictory.
Of course, it'll come down to subjective preference, skill level, and frustration tolerance, but a challenging game can absolutely still be fun

Depends on the connotation, and I've long since forgotten what the intent behind Left's statement was. 'Fun' is pretty broad. You could argue that it is more constructive if you use more specific terms for the enjoyment a player feels when playing. Additionally, you don't need to actively enjoy every moment of playing a game to have it be worthwhile. Working out isn't fun, but the satisfaction afterwards makes it worth it. The same can be true of challenging games.

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false dichotomy

I fucking hate video games

Reggie, though I find enlightening games fun, not that TLOU2 is one.

Is pic related "fun" Yas Forums?

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Based Reggie is a king

in an abstract sense yes.

Left wanted to say that some games get really serious, hard, confusing, etc. Giving the player other feelings that fun like a mario kart game. But what Yas Forums reads is literally the extreme side of it, like they don't want to do entertaining games. What Reggie says in the other hand, is most games must be crafted around simple things that achieve greater things and the process is very entertaining and easy (to like). I like both

yeah but not the first one
2 is just the original but less autistic and unfun

Yeah but Neil is super duper handsome and I would lick his hairy ass all night.

Left. Gaming needs to grow up and be more than a digital toy.

Stuff like Pathologic works as "movie" since it still knows its a game and uses it as a way to enhance the movie aspects. Something like the Last of Us is a movie game but tries to go to hard on the movie aspect. Even David Cage games are more of games since they give you a choice that somewhat matters. Hell in my opinion Until Dawn is the definitive movie game out there.

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People know this to an extent but anti-challenge faggotry is prevalent in mostly Bethesda games who removes meaningful features because retards have to live with their consequences. Thus a lot of modern games have "dynamic difficulty" or similar mechanics. Why does Skyrim let you pause the game to use healing items in the middle of battle? Why do broken limps just fix themselves in FO4? Why are a lot of NPCs invulnerable?

People usually use fun to defend mediocrity
Sticker star is fun in Nintendo eyes

English is not my first language, and i simply cannot see how you can apply the word "fun" to every single thing in the same exact sense. People often enjoy different stuff, and they can find different things "fun", so Reggie's quote doens't make that much sense to me

both want to be fun, it's just that the marketing team at sony probably decided that the word fun didn't went well with the teenage demographic so they should use engaging instead

Reggie is now the head of a bankrupt company, so gotta go with the other guy.

neither, I don't like Western devs or Gamestop.

Right, I am always right.

Both

I feel as much as Last of Us was absolutely a movie game, and there was very little player choice, it still wasn't a bad experience.
In some key parts towards the end, I felt like actually playing through the third person shooting helped the story impact me more, such as Ellie fighting for her life/slaughtering a village of survivors who turn out to be cannibals, or Joel absolutely slaughtering the fireflies at the end.
Could it have been better? Absolutely yeah. But was it bad? I don't think so, no.

Yeah, i'm not defending Bethesda's over simplification of their RPGs, or the casualization of difficulty in games as a whole.
That stuff is a damn shame, I agree.

umm based?

I play games to have fun and/or relax. If I want to be engrossed in a story I'd read a book or watch a movie, not be subjected to a failed movie director trying to make a video game story.

That's not to say all video game stories are bad, just that 99% of them are cliched and mediocre.

If TLoU was actually a movie released in theaters it would get painfully mediocre reviews

This one works better imo

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>nintendo games
>fun
perhaps they're fun if you're mentally 5 yo
adults need something more intellectual stimulating to enjoy