Why did the Illusive Man need Shepard for his plans of all people? Mass effect 2 makes no sense at all

Why did the Illusive Man need Shepard for his plans of all people? Mass effect 2 makes no sense at all

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Shepard knew and believed in the Reaper threat and was seen as a hero for saving the Citadel, thus inspiring confidence in others.
Still probably wasn't worth the billions of credits though.

like 99% of his plan worked in 2. He wanted Shep to kill the collectors so he could seize their base. Shep manages to do that fine. The only thing that goes wrong is shep decides to blow the fucker up and Miri goes along with it

he literally told you why

Humans are racist

Mass Effect series died the moment Shepard was killed and reanimated by Cerberus

This.

'cause Shepard is the protagonist. Only reason. Pretty silly because this odd quirk of the 'plot' could have been avoided if Shepard wasn't killed off. It served no narrative purpose and if Shepard wasn't dead the same overall concept could have been carried forward if Shepard is out there looking for Reapers or trying to figure out what is going on with these Collector abductions and TIM just periodically contacts Shepard and gives him information.

If TIM calls Shepard up and says Freedom's Progress or Horizon have just dropped out of contact, is Shepard going to ignore him, Cerberus or no? I don't think so. Is Shepard gonna blow him off when TIM calls him up and tells him about the Collector Ship or Derelict Reaper? Would Shepard turn up his nose if TIM handed him the dossiers on people he might want to recruit?

See what I mean? Shepard's motivation is established at the end of the first game so in ME2 there is no need for Shepard to feel like he owe's TIM some sort of "debt". Not that this is ever really established. Shepard agrees to work with TIM because the script says he must. Rather, why not just have TIM start offering Shepard aid and information at the start of ME2 and Shepard really has no choice but to accept? Then at the very end TIM has his people poised to seize the Collector Base or its wreckage and we are left wondering if TIM was just always manipulating us to position himself to benefit at this very moment.

It'd give missions like Overlord and Firewalker a different context. Are we doing this to gain supplies for ourselves in the latter case or are we just doing Cerberus' dirty work in the former? It just wasn't every necessary to contextualize ME2 the way it was done.

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They should have just put him in a coma it would have been functionally identical and way more believable

Why is the most powerful reaper of all so obsessed with an inferior organic? Mass Effect 2 makes no sense at all.

Reapers are coming, and Shepard is the only prominent human figure to believe in them from the start before being there to kill one.

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Youd be looking at an ant pretty funny if you tried to destroy his colony and he nearly single handedly broke your toe and made you fuck off

MUH BLOODY ICON

that isn't an excuse to waste billions of dollars on one man

All Shepard did was deliver VIGIL/Prothean Scientist's program to the Citadel Control it. It is such silly comic book shit that a Reaper would now become obsessed with Shepard. It's not even consistent. On the one hand the Collectors and Harbinger try to kill Shepard and blow him up, but then foolishly kidnap the crew when they could have just blown up the Normandy.

Dumb comic book shit.

That would make sense if it was the doings of a single "ant" but it wasn't.

it pretty much was all Shepard though

Shepard was the one to blow Sovereign up?

He spent billions to save trillions

All of Mass Effect makes no sense.

Shepard lead a team. How much of a contradiction is it to have Sovereign obsess about Shepard rather than his whole team? I thought a theme in the first game was team work.

The human obsession by the Reapers in general is dumb. Mac Walters is a hack.

Killing Saren disables sovereign

Redhead femshep is so fucking hot goddamn she makes my dick diamonds

Because Cerberus were clearly being written as a kind of necessary evil against the Reapers while the Council did nothing, only to be rewritten as cartoon villains in ME3.

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Or that's just cinematic convenience. Why doesn't killing Harby's controlled minions disable him? So silly.

If Mac Walters had such a pro-humanity boner he might as well have said we were the ones uplifted by the Protheans, not the Asari.

Yeah he lead one, he was the leader. Seems only natural. A theme of the first game is teamwork if you want it to be, you can also play it equally validly as a mildly xenophobic humanity first guy who blows up the Council. Plus what game with a team doesnt have teamwork as some kind of theme? It's a freebie.

>Because Cerberus were clearly being written as a kind of necessary evil against the Reapers while the Council did nothing
Sure, but the problem is that Walters doesn't even do that right. If he had, then players wouldn't question why Shepard is cooperating with TIM, even if they don't like him. Instead Walters relies on just making the Council and Alliance comically disinterested in the Collectors and Reapers. It turns them into cartoons and kind undermines ME1's ending. At the same time, he fails to portray Cerberus as competent or convince us that TIM is genuine about his motivations.

Sure, you'd think so. Whatever he writes I just wish he'd write it competently.

The info Shepard got in his head was just a warning message. It was useless outside of that.
Shepard getting the Spectre status so early was literally political bullshit.

What about the others with him at the time? They should've targeted every single one of Normandy's crew. Shepard did nothing to warrant singling him/her out.

Well yeah it is a plot convenience. Maybe if you killed that little green dude you see getting blown up in 2s ending the same thing would temporarily happen, or maybe it does temporarily happen whenever you kill someone who Harbinger takes control of and thats why he doesnt do it back to back to back

>Yeah he lead one, he was the leader.
Right. So why does that make him special? He couldn't do it alone. What did Shepard actually DO? He shot a bunch of geth, some rachni, and some krogan warriors. He only got exposed to the beacon by CHANCE.

It's also stupid for the Reapers to obsess over a PERSON or any organic lifeform because the way Sovereign was portrayed suggested organics were nothing to the Reapers. Certainly not their means of reproduction.

Go read ya' fuckin' comic books.

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>He only got exposed to the beacon by CHANCE.
Yup. "Saving" one of the teammates from the same fate.

Why would Cerberus pump that much money into reviving Shepard when I think we can pretty comfortably say they wouldn't do that to Tali? He did plenty to single himself out, things you can see and do yourself as you control him in the first game. Were your squadmates ever pulling as much weight in combat or decisions as you? You could make a case for Joker maybe but his unique skill doesnt extend beyond being a pilot.

>Well yeah it is a plot convenience.
My point is, you are making an assumption. Nothing in dialog in the game or its sequels or anything after that scene every attempts to convey the idea that Sovereign died because you killed its Saren puppet. The logic of that is flawed and is based purely on the cinematic convenience of the scene. Last boss is dead, ending begins. Get it?

Maybe maybe maybe maybe maybe... to infinity, but that's not what happens. So at the very least, just concede that precisely what caused Sovereign's death is a little vague. In spite of the lack of the lack of evidence and logic it certainly COULD have been the killing of the Saren puppet that stunned Sovereign, or it might have been the several dozen ships shooting at him that finally overwhelmed his shields at the same time Shepard took out the Saren Puppet.

>Why would Cerberus pump that much money into reviving Shepard when I think we can pretty comfortably say they wouldn't do that to Tali?
You tell us

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Stopped the reapers trying to control the rachni from fucking over everyone, and the geth, and the cloning facility, and then saren and by extension sovereign himself. These are all plans he would've been aware Shepard was leading and actively foiling. And I refer back to the ant argument.

Im not arguing it's some high art or bar for storytelling but neither are video games.