Just finished Dishonored 2, I loved the first one but 2 fucking sucked ass...

I replayed the first one 5 times
I played through 2 once
I dropped DotO halfway through

I did exactly the same thing

How does it retcon Daud's entire character?

Death of the Outsider is much like the two story-based expansion packs released for Dishonored 1. It's only 3 - 5 hours in length, reuses some of its levels, and provides little in the form of new enemies, abilities or gameplay mechanics but the second and third missions present a very large, multi-levelled environment to explore and the bank heist mission is especially enjoyable. If you enjoyed Dishonored 2 you will like it, if you didn't then you probably won't.

Story wise, while you don't learn a great deal about the Outsider himself making him a central character rather than a mysterious influence ruins his character and the cult you encounter at the end of the game is also quite dull, although the design of their fortress is interesting.

Daud's DLC in 1 are all about accepting the consequences for his actions. Actions he has no one else but himself to blame for. That's why his judge ends up being Corvo, and depending on how you play through the DLCs he either executes you or gives you a second chance. In comes DotO Daud, who believes "the black eyed bastard" is at fault for everything that ever happened to them and is responsible for it all. He literally fucking forgot the lesson he learned in 1, that is that Corvo got powers just like him but he didn't become corrupted by them, because the Outsider gives you power, but the choices are your own. Then he dies. Bravo Harvey Smith.

I interpreted his vendetta against the Outsider as a continuation of his arc in the DLC, not as a contradiction. He understands how dangerous the mark of the outsider was in his hands and wants to eliminate the possibility of the same evil falling into hands even worse than his.

Actually my biggest problem with the narrative in DotO is the fact that Bille Lurk just blindly accepts her mission from Daud to kill the Outsider without any real motivation or justification of her own, other than that her old mentor wants her to do this.

DotO is mechanically a might tighter focused game but it carries on in the direction 2 moved in. If you disliked 2 you wont like it.

Yeah this, it felt like he was trying to undo the damage he caused by making sure other people won't be able to make the decisions he did.

He thinks anyone who was given the powers he had will make the same awful choices, and that the outsider knows this, so he has to stop the powers to limit the damage people like him can do.

>He understands how dangerous the mark of the outsider was in his hands
Because of who he was. He understood the choices he made were his own. In comes DotO and he says stuff like "the Outsider is at fault for all of this" or "his gifts come with a price". You don't need magic to have power. The Lord Regent was corrupted by power. The Loyalists were corrupted by power. The whole point of the Chaos system was to see whether Corvo would continue the cycle or not. Daud was just the clearest example of that as another user of the Outsider's Mark. Hiding for 25 years then coming out and wanting to kill the Outsider out of nowhere? I don't buy it, especially when they retcon the latter from the possible avatar of a whale god older than Dunwall itself to a street urchin that was sacrificed by a cult.

>especially when they retcon the latter from the possible avatar
Yeah, you can't recon something that was only possibly true, thats just now how that works.

Unless you consider all new information to be retcons, in which case I hate you.

>Yeah, you can't recon something that was only possibly true, thats just now how that works.
You definitely can when there was an original intent behind it then it was changed. Unless you want me to believe he was supposed to be a sacrificed dindu street kid in D1?

retard

The way the handled the Outsider's origin story was the worst aspect of the game because it implies it's the cult, and not the Outsider who are the truly powerful beings of this world, capable of taming and controlling the powers of the void itself, and yet you can easily destroy their entire thousand year old order by storming through the place with sword and crossbow. The Outsider was far more interesting before he was humanised.

>You definitely can when there was an original intent behind it then it was changed.
Even assuming you can prove that was the intent, and you can't, that would require proving whats inside somebodies head, it wouldn't matter because if they had intended for him to be a squid or be Aladdin the first game didn't say either way.

The strange unknown deep sea elements continue to be present, such as with the eye of the Dead God and the overall tone of the other-side. So its not like the concept hasn't even been carried forward.

its fine to say you think the old idea was more interesting, but it's not a retcon. You just don't like it.

>it wouldn't matter because if they had intended for him to be X the first game didn't say either way.
Yeah, that's the whole point of intent. Unless you want vidya to be a medium of tell don't show
>its fine to say you think the old idea was more interesting, but it's not a retcon.
But it is

>Yeah, that's the whole point of intent
It doesn't matter what they intended if they didn't do it.
Retcon means they changed something, you're admitting it was never what you wanted, you just think it was going to be.

>It doesn't matter what they intended
But it literally does
>if they didn't do it.
But they did, which is why the clues are in the game
>Retcon means they changed something
And they did
>you just think it was going to be
It was. Then it was changed.You're implying something not being outright stated for you in a notepad means it wasn't there. I can't help it if you're blind.

is han solo saying "I know" a retcon because it wasn't originally intended?

Did Episode IV imply he would say something that's the exact contrary of "I know"?

You need to show me proof he was the avatar of a whale god in 1.
Not hints or clues, because hey thats could be about the eye, or wrong, because there are clues and hints contracting all sorts of stuff in the lore for the outsider to build his image as unknown and worshiped by lunatics.
Show me the actual proof this was the intent, in the game and got changed.

Shitty writing and reused assets.

Yes, in the script.
We know it was their intention for him to say something else, its a very well documented fact.

He obviously wasn't human. The Whale motif surrounded every one of his appearances.

>ou need to show me proof he was the avatar of a whale god in 1.
You need to play Dishonored 1
>Not hints or clues, because hey thats could be about the eye
Something that didn't exist yet?
>or wrong, because there are clues and hints contracting all sorts of stuff in the lore for the outsider
Not when he says it himself, or can be seen by the player in the Void, or is said by The Heart
Show me the actual proof this was the intent, in the game and got changed
Play Dishonored 1

>Yes, in the script.
Of Episode IV?
>We know it was their intention for him to say something else, its a very well documented fact.
In Episode IV? Fucking retard, read.

It's okay. Dropped it before the final missions since it was too repetitive and tiring. The game is as bad as D2. Terrible pacing, just one open environments after another, bad story.

The new blink mechanic is so bad they had to include a bone charm to restore its original functionality. At least in the Dishonored 1 DLC Daud's blink variant stopped time which created an almost turn-based element to some combat sequences. It's a shame the powers become so dull both in the Emily playthrough of D2 and in DotO. They never come close to the kinds of fun you can have with Corvo in D1.

This is also true in 2, and is true of the eye of the dead god, the thing that made him.

ie, not proof of what you say.

retard

>Not when he says it himself,
I've played the game and he doesn't say this.

Prove you're not remembering it wrong.