How is anyone who isn't a boomer supposed to get into these games? Grim Yawn? Path of Tencent? Clunky ass original D2...

how is anyone who isn't a boomer supposed to get into these games? Grim Yawn? Path of Tencent? Clunky ass original D2? Why can't anyone make a good ARPG since D2? What made D2 so special?

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Just play D2. It's not that clunky. Well it is, but they're all kinda clunky.
>What made D2 so special?
I don't know. Nice art, varied locales, great music/atmosphere, pretty rapid pacing, VFX not filling the fucking screen and remaining nicely understated.

should someone trying to get into D2 play Median XL?

That's sort of like recommending someone getting into Doom to go straight to slaughterwads.
Just go with vanilla.

D2 was trash

fuckton better than poe though that's for sure

runes, ormus

MXL sucks, honestly.

what's wrong with it

It depends what are your goals.
If you just want to play the campaigns, play Vanilla D2, Wolcen and Grim Dawn on at least Normal Difficulty.
If you want to experience the endgame, minmax shit and such, then Path of Exile and MXL.

>loot
>lore
>battle.net
>best skill progression
>best character progression
>best bosses
>best pvp

there's lots of reasons why it is special

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I wish this wasn't a sequel, but a spin off.
Diablo1 was so much better. I wish we could get a modern arpg that was actually spooky and tense, and not just a loot pinata simulator.

PoE gets a bad rap. But it is the true spiritual successor to d2. Anything else is shovel ware. (Excluding titan quest.)

>But it is the true spiritual successor to d2.
Yeah I too remember spending more time in d2 trading instead of playing it.

GD is good. And the game type is really about the numbers and getting the loot to make those numbers even bigger.

It is like the HL2 cinematic mod. A bunch of tasteless garbage piled on top of a good game, that turns it into shit.

You don't need to trade in PoE, you can play solo self-found perfectly easily and just fine. And with the amount of loot that pours out of league mechanics these days, it's very easy to never have to trade at all.

Yeah and let me reach endgame because for my build nothing dropped and I used all of my currency to craft something decent after 1000h.

literally none of those are true except battle.net which isn't a good thing

>it is the true spiritual successor to d2.
wrong, that's grim yawn unfortunately

Grim Yawn is the true spiritual successor to Titan Quest.

>Titan Quest
Btw that game got 2 new expansions, how are they?
I'm still hesitant to buy them because they're not made by og dev.

Ragnarock is fucking terrible. Somehow buggy as hell and just a massive quality dip.
I didn't try Atlantis but apparently it's even worse.

The reason D2:LoD was so good was how its itemization was set up and how breakpoints were established. In diablo 2, 10% increased attack/cast didn't necessarily do anything at all, as if you weren't wearing an item at all. sometimes you had to hit exactly 15% or more to hit a breakpoint and only then your attack/cast would increase. But in D2 you'll find that these breakpoints were mapped by the development team so you had to actively farm areas/bosses that will drop what you want. Hitting these breakpoints were incredibly satisfying and basically unlocked new areas for your character to efficiently farm. And these breakpoints went from tiers noobs can reach, tiers veterans could reach, and then the highest tiers only the best could reach (or some kid with a creditcard). And the true icing on the cake is that as your farming these breakpoints, you're constantly gaining common craftable items that are essentially lotto tickets that you can craft into items of INSANE wealth, items worth literally hundreds (thousands?) of stones of jordan. This is also just one facet of its success.

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A shame, I also remember they added the items from the expac in the anniversary edition and you can't even pick them up because you don't own the expac.

Titan Quest isn't very good in general. I played a lot of it because I could map skills to mousewheel and go fully one-handed, but it certainly loses steam on the expansions.

you have to love stupid grind for hours
otherwise these games is not for you

How come hack'n'slash games are popular? I can understand the early 2000s, but the gameplay boils down to left clicking shit until your finger hurts.

play this

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How is Path of Diablo? Is it worth it?

Too short and no build variety and it's more focused on playing with a gamepad.
Still enjoyed the 20h with it.

>he's a retard who thinks he needs to spam mouse clicking when he could just click once and hold down the mouse to keep attacking

Does a lot of changes, makes a lot of the shitter classes and specs overall better. My favorite thing is the change to the charms giving you a separate inventory specifically for them. Definitely an improvement over the base game.

It's the best mod for d2 in my opinion. Has lot of quality of life improvements but it's still d2.

just like you said but gameplay is still 100x more fun than diablo or poe shit for niggers

Bro, I'll suck your dick for that amy

best random loot system ever, that's a scientific fact