Has more soul than any new game out currently

>Sonic forces is kino
Wow, Sonicfags are already vehemently defending this dung? I thought it'd take a couple of more years at least

Then don't do it
One playthrough was miserable enough
Yeah, Adventurefags are retarded too. What's your point?

A shonen plot is cringe and weird? Also the gameplay in both Adventures is actually pretty decent.

I never once brought up Adventurefags, I don't care what they have to say. Stop being such a schizo and maybe I'll read about what the rest of your post says.

>A shonen plot is cringe and weird?
You know there's good and bad shounen right?

Sonic Forces is the only game I've ever refunded. And while it's terrible it's not the absoulte worst game I've played, but it was definitely the most offensive. God the fucking joy I got out of Mania and the sheer amount of passion and skill that went into it made it feel wrong to support something like Forces so I got my money back

It’s not ass bleedingly terrible like 06, it’s just really boring. Avatar stages are easy as fuck, modern sonic still flies off the map randomly, classic sonic stages are short and uninspired. Also pretty much none of these stages are distinct, it’s all City Escape or Green Hill aesthetics with a few Egg Shelters thrown in

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>I can’t give any examples why it’s bad, it just is!

I do feel like they tried, Sonic is just a shit concept to do in 3D, either you hyper-automate the fuck out of it so it doesn't feel cheap and unfair or you allow it to feel cheap and unfair.

>Sonic is just a shit concept to do in 3D

This is the biggest fucking meme of all time and I still can't understand how the fuck people still believe it.

Characters that up to now have done little more than to fight over macguffins and saving the day from random monsters suddenly being involved in an espionage fueled war is fucking stupid. Yes that’s where the purple guy gets his name

Hard to take a story about anthropomorphic animals with one-note characterisation and goofy designs tackling world ending cataclysms seriously, unless you have the mental age of an eight year old. It lacks ANY kind of self awareness that could potentially make it endearing
>I do feel like they tried
Four different level aesthetics, a shitty new gimmick and three hours of runtime with the blandest level design in the franchise feels like they tried to you?

Why can't they just make a 3D Sonic with like 15 acts where each stage is designed like the Windy Valley beta from Sonic Adventure? That's literally all anyone wants. I don't understand

Uhh, because it's true?

The speed at which Sonic moves is a non-issue in 2D since you have a large portion of the screen showing you the coming obstacles, but in 3D you just run into them until you commit the levels to muscle memory after hours of replaying them, that's not good platforming, platforming is intrinsically reactive, having to learn the layout of a level so you can beat them because a game mechanic makes it impossible to do it right the first time around is stupid.

Because they don't have the talent

The only one shitting up sonic thread is you who is always seething about adventure when no one mentioned it,

But that's wrong you stupid nigger, you can react just fine to shit in the Adventure games.

>That's literally all anyone wants.
As Sonic Team understands is this:
>The reason people liked Sonic Mania was because it was 2D. That must be the reason, right? Not because it was actually good with good physics, good level design and good mechanics, no. It MUST have been the fact that it was 2D! Therefore, if we make OUR Sonic game 2D, then fans will like it too, right??

That's seriously gotta be it.

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Please tell me what part of this level requires muscle memory.

youtube.com/watch?v=JDEdH0GRfZo

Unless you are talking about boostshit, which is objectively trash and I would agree with you

Remember when we though the edge was suppose to be ironic?

Be honest with me. As objective as you can. I haven’t played any 3D sonic released in the last 15 years. (revisited adventure and 2 though) and I have no preoccupation with hating the series.
If I’m expecting a game where you go fast and it’s fun and consistently present throughout the game, and have no opinion about the plot or characters, just want a goesfast simulator, how is it?

it's been two decades and they still haven't figured it out.

There's never been anything to indicate this

Fan-devs have proven that 3D Sonic can work and be fun
GT is also a good example.
If you want a goesfast simulator, get Generations for PC instead. It's a million times better, more replayable and, with mods, you have tons of other content to play.

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Being self aware isn’t always important, look at Metal Gear
The problem with Forces story in particular is that it’s built up to be super dramatic but they won’t even let the characters rant about their power levels or how evil Force or whatever the dude they’re fighting is, probably because they don’t want to be made fun of. As a result the characterization is one note and the whole thing is completely forgettable aside from the weird juxtaposition of cartoon critters running La Resistance operations

yeah everything needs to be snarky and self aware like the marvel movies and current sonic media!!!

horrible, physics are fucked, you have two stages of speed and no choice over when you go faster, classic physics are so fucking god-awful that it makes Generations look good, avatar weapons range from useless to fucking broken...

Terrible. That stages are all roughly a minute long. A third of the game is 2D with miserably broken mechanics and non-functioning physics. The stage themes are repetitive and half baked. It's just not very good

The soundtrack is all over the place too. I personally kind of like the trashy EDM shit they went with but even then that's only a third of the soundtrack and the rest of it ranges from mediocre to ear raping

>Being self aware isn’t always important, look at Metal Gear
Metal Gear's full of gags and intentionally silly moments. I mean Raiden can slip on bird poo for god sake

>They still haven't figured it out
That doesn't mean that the concept itself is broken. It just means that Sonic Team is retarded.

Before It's release most people here were convinced they had finally become self-aware and were poking fun at their previous games. Call it 'wishful thinking'.

>true communism has never been tried!
the concept is clearly broken.

Kojimas confident enough in his stories to be silly, he just has no idea his stories are fucking ludicrous

When did I say it all needs to be self aware and snarky? I said it needed some level or self awareness, otherwise you get this
youtube.com/watch?v=VsmJHOjHNOk
Look at the original Ratchet & Clank trilogy for example. The humour gives the characters more charisma and makes them more likeable, but the games still have a lot of great genuine character moments and dramatic story beats that makes the stories fun

>Green Hill Paradise
>Sonic Utopia
>SRB2
>Sonic GT
>Project Hero

You've played and studied all of these then, have you?

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>it's another "classic purists vs. adventurefags" episode
They both had a handful of shit games and a handful of good ones. Being 3D or 2D doesn't inherently make the game better when the design and mechanical implementation itself is shit.

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that looks awful

>plot takes up development time

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Tell me why.

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Not him but it does seem to have a bit of a 'buttery smooth' flow to it which gets a little jarring when the lock-on snaps Sonic into position or a sudden sharp dive takes place.

its how it was in sa1