Why did Hansa need to operate big, loud, conspicuous trains to run the dampening array? Is it a book thing?
Metro Exodus
Austin Lewis
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William Davis
More like retarded author thing. In the original vision - of both book and game - the Moscow metro was pretty much the only civilization that actually survived. Not just because of bomb shelters, but because bioweapons seriously fucked up the planet's biosphere and created all the horrible mutants in the setting. All the various factions were stuck in the metro because there was no outside world they could escape to. Radiation, mutants, general nuclear wasteland. Everything was fucked up, probably for the next several generations' lifetimes.
Furthermore, it was heavily implied that it wasn't just the material world that got nuked, but the spiritual world as well. "No more room in hell, dead will walk the earth" sort of thing. Nuclear war was not something that humanity could recover from easily, there was little hope of a Fallout situation where there'd be an NCR running around 500 years later. The world was fucked.
But then Metro 2035 the book happened. Mutants seemed to no longer be present. All the spiritual aspects of the setting were explained away as hoaxes or deliberate attempts by a secret metro illuminati that controlled all factions to scare people away from the outside world. You already heard the explanation in Metro Exodus, the rest of the world survived just fine and SOMEHOW there was a serious risk of NATO nuking Russia into oblivion again if NATO ever found out. As if, somehow, a surviving NATO would never investigate further into the one capital in the world which has its train system designed explicitly to survive a nuclear war and; if an investigation was sent and nobody came back, would just decide that Moscow was dead and there were no survivors. Stalkers are a borrowed stable of the Metro setting. American stalkers would be a thing. Why NATO would want to restart a nuclear war in the first place is questionable as well.
In summary: author went retard three books in and destroyed the setting for a shallow political point about modern Russia.
Colton James
at least Anna was a qt and you get to go on a train ride with her :3
Aiden Diaz
Oh yeah, Exodus is actually a fun game. If anything it salvaged all the worst ideas of 2035 and made them good. Doesn't change the fact that thinking either the Russians or Americans would automatically restart a nuclear exchange just because there were survivors is retarded. The point of war is never to kill anyone. Not even nuclear wars are meant to do that. The point is to defeat the enemy and render them incapable of further fighting, and from the looks of things Russia is pretty fucking defeated; no matter how things on the NATO side looks.
Liam Evans
I think a nuclear war that escalated into nuking your enemies capital is past the point of "defeating" the enemy, we're not talking about tactical strikes on military installations
They spilled some memeweapon on the Kremlin and nuked the population, it was serious annhilation business
I agree that the explanation of "why" moscow is shut off is completely fucking retarded, but I also don't like it being the only civilization left standing. Also the Jewish Hansa trying to hide Moscow from the map and emerge as a superpower later could be a legitimate plan.
Brody Bailey
Fuckin' hell, it was so deliciously bleak and scary in the first two too, all that was left of human life on the earth was a scant 50k in a subway system, killing themselves and their successors.
Isaac Campbell
>In summary: author went retard three books in and destroyed the setting for a shallow political point about modern Russia.
he went retard in 2034 then fully committed to it in 2035
one of the mains in 2034 is homer a writer whos willing to embellish the truth for better story he wants to write an epic. in 2035 it turns out that 2033 is homers book. real artyom is not exactly how he was in 2033 and hunter is some jackass burned out drunk not a badass killing machine. miller is a wife beater. all the characters personality's may have been embellished by homer for the sake of the story and all the spiritual/ supernatural stuff was definitely made up by homer to tell an epic.
Camden Reyes
I remember in the books there was spoopy shit which would happen if you would listen to cracks in pipes, and when I tried it in the first Metro you'd get shocked
Isaac Campbell
Nuclear warfare is complicated. It is one part strategic bombing, which goes after the civilian economy of the enemy and thus their ability to conduct war; but also it is one big game of chicken. "Don't go to war with me, I'll nuke you", "Yeah me too". And the end result is that none of the world's major powers have gone to war with one another directly for over 50 years. Part of the usefulness of nukes is that they actually don't need to be used in order to be effective, and when your enemy lacks nukes there is no reason for them to be used to begin with - as you'd just use conventional forces.
But all this becomes super retarded if you'll remember the first Metro, where Arytom detonates a nuke - WHICH ARE DETECTABLE ANYWHERE ON EARTH - to destroy the dark ones. If NATO was still kicking and wanted revenge against Russia, guess what is proof that Russians live in Moscow? A nuke going off. They don't just explode on their own.
Hudson Campbell
Remember how everyone just wanted a game with the atmosphere of the original, that was "open world" in the sense that the whole metro was exploitable with some pockets on the surface that were late-game areas?
That would have been cool. Instead we got Exodus while still good, goes against the best stuff the original book/game set up.
Sebastian Rivera
I would give anything to be able to travel the metro freely. Doing the Hansa circle has always been my dream.
>comfy scavenger/trader game never, because the plot always gets in the fucking way
Evan Cook
Patrol the tunnels, scavenge on the surface with your dark one shota, discover the secret 2nd Metro, Metro VR. Would have been comfortable.
Julian Wright
>Dark ones plot abandoned
>Distinguishing setting abandoned
>Spooky shit almost abandoned
That last one was really a sour point with Exodus for me. At least the final chapter in Novosibirsk was absolute kino, one of the best sections out of any metro game.
Justin Collins
You're talking about nuclear warfare like its an established thing when the only case of it being seriously used happened once and that "was" an instance where instead of using conventional force was set aside in favor of blowing up a superweapon. Humans are funny and brutal people, the only reason we're not nuking each other right now is because USA/Russia control 95percent of all nukes and the elites running those countries have no reason to start mass removing people..yet. Give it another 100 years of dirty shitholes overbreeding like rats, smogging up the skies for the whole planet, and turning the oceans into plastic and we'll see what will happen.
Metro is set in a timeline where mutually assured destruction doctrine was used, for whatever reasons. The existence of aliens could tie into this too, because the war could have started because of them.
Anyways back to the point of Moscow being hidden from everyone else. We pick up broadcasts from many places on the planet, but they still have no confirmation we exist. Sure they could nuke Moscow again, but Artyom popped off a nuke and the Metro lived on. And he needed to laser designate it too, meaning we don't know what guidance systems survived the war, modern M.A.D. protocols do include turning satellite orbits into a junkyard so you cant just GPS a nuke from across the planet
Nathan Reed
>all those fucking worms spitting at you
Reason why I don't do a second run of the game. It's not the enemy type that's the problem, it's that spitting damage is not really modeled well. Same problem with the shrimp when you're on a boat.
Colton Wilson
To be honest the final chapter made up for alot of bad things in the main game. The moment you set off to the Dead City until the ending was 100% kino.
John Collins
Why the fuck isn't Anna wearing a bikini in the Caspian?
Jordan Howard
Fucken loved the final part of the game, played it on the highest difficulty and ran out of ammo almost having to start a new game. The dark atmosphere showed how dead it was.
Angel Clark
The boat section was kind of shite. They really should have had completely no combat until you reached the university (or whatever it was I forget). The worms and nosies kind of ruined the intense atmosphere.
Landon Peterson
Humans are brutal, but they're also cost efficient. One of the main principles of just war theory - which is not just "oh please stop killing people" moralizing but a practical guide to ending a war as quickly as possible in your favor - is to avoid war crimes and WMDs because they not only perpetuate conflicts but encourage other actors to get involved. Let's say for example that Iran nukes Saudi Arabia one day. Guess who gets involved? Egypt, Turkey, Jordan, the United States, Israel, etc etc; all against Iran. And what happens if the US nuked Iran one day out the blue? Half the world instantly hates the US, implements sanctions, possibly starts helping Iran fight the US, etc etc.
War is not about "kill other guy, take their stuff". It is about moderation, caution, efficiency, and speed. Do you know why the bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are not considered war crimes? No, not because the US won. But because the bombings ended the war and did so rapidly, with less loss of life for both sides than would have occurred eventually. But if the US/UK bombed the USSR back when the USSR didn't have the bomb? Arguably a war crime in that instance, because that would have ignited a world war that would not have ended for years afterwards.
This is what many outside the military fail to understand about nuclear weapons in every instance. Most just see an end of the world bomb, but it is infinitely more complicated than that and in fact dropping a nuke is the stupidest usage of them.
Nathan Jenkins
Haha nuke go boom
Luis Allen
I really wanted to like Exodus but i came out of it thinking it was just okay. They should've either gone full exploration or kept it in the Metro tunnels instead of this weird middle route between the two.
Also the bullet economy is much better than crafting.
Jacob Green
>lets say Iran nukes SA
You can't compare actors like that to US/Russia
If US/Russia start fighting then it's M.A.D. straight away. That's the only conflict that can be this brutal and efficient in wiping out everyone on the planet. If some shithole like Iran even thinks of using nukes, US/Russia will both be on them the next hour.
On the other hand if US nukes Iran out of the blue, the world will just sit and watch because nobody can stand up to them. And Russia won't do anything because M.A.D. That's the beauty of it, it's the ultimate whiteman equalizer which means whites will never mass genocide each other again OR they will trash the whole fucking planet.
And you can't pretend that humans haven't genocided entire populations before in history, we're stilll the same humans but with way more serious guns.
Benjamin Garcia
Explore the tunnels with Regina II.
Camden Lewis
>Man this place is fucked up badly
>Enter the reasearch institute
Austin Martinez
Also a huge part of WW2, was nowhere near about "moderation, caution, efficiency, and speed"
You're thinking of proxy-wars that came after, since the biggest guys on the planet established M.A.D.
WW2 decimated all of Europe and put and end to any sort of competition from there. A massive grinder alongside WW1 which were fought for very nefarious reasons
These conflicts will happen again, it's only logical. And it's logical that the people with the lion's share of the superweapons won't nuke each other, but instead destroy someone else.
So yeah the M.A.D. scenario which we see the result of in Metro is not how nukes will be used when it's US nuking China. But in the videogame scenario where some aliums show up and both US and Russia are thinking it's the other guys, the world just might get Metro'd
Hunter Torres
Ironically enough the open world parts are the worst ones
Lincoln Moore
Shambler or Ashot? This is the first time in a while I've been spoiled for choice with shotguns they're both beautiful.
Samuel Perez
I thought the explanation from the Yamantau complex was that there was no NATO invasion force and the rest of the world got fucked just as badly as Russia, but since the communications were cut off the Invisible Watchers just assumed everything was going as planned. The real retardation comes from the surface being perfectly fine for human life just a few kilometers away from Moscow, which kind of invalidates the whole setting.
Benjamin Richardson
>ran out of ammo almost having to start a new game
Really? I also did it on Ranger HC but I though it was one of the easier parts because the Railgun is ridiculously overpowered
Andrew Bailey
The Last Light DLC where you scavenge the Library needed to be a whole game.
Kevin Cook
IIRC shambler does less damage and doesn't one shot the zombie dudes unless all pellets hit so it sucks
Lucas Moore
Ayden Perez
I've been playing the whole series and that was the one part that got me anew
Dominic Hall
replaying*
Hudson Peterson
when is this piece of shit going on the gog store?
Wyatt Lee
what's up, the crack's running like shit?
Wyatt Green
2033 - 8/10
Last Light - 7/10
Exodus - 6/10