The entire point of this game was to be an expanded retelling where they explore several ideas and better integrate the new and expanded lore that wasn't there during the original.
Things like the expanded context of the Wutai War, Avalanche as an organisation (and not four morons in a basement), Crisis Core, etc. are added and integrated in the wider world.
Nobody except literal autists is expecting a scene by scene of FF7 in better graphics. If you want that, just fucking mod Final Fantasy 7. Contrarian smoothbrains kindly go nek yourselves.
And yes, it's another fucking timelines which is unrelated to the main canon. That's the point. So they can have both.
That's how they'll have cool shit like Crisis Core Zack not dying and Aerith maybe surviving. Nothing wrong with doing that after 20 fucking years.
Andrew Sanchez
>Nobody except literal autists is expecting a scene by scene of FF7 in better graphics That's what millions of fans asked for and were told they were getting. Do not pretend like fans all wanted a sequel or a another spin-off. They would have specifically used those words if that's what they wanted. If they wanted the story to be rewritten (which is a hilarious concept) they would have explicitly said that they didn't like the fucking story to the game they're a passionate fan of and that they want it to be changed.
Is that what you think happened? Do you think millions of people were asking Square-Enix to make another shitty spin-off or change the story to a cherished game?
It's literally an expanded remake. It's what people wanted.
Or were you one of those homo's that hated the fact that Jessie actually had a personality in this game?
Mason Hill
As a huge classic FF7 fag this is why the absurd structure of the remake doesn’t bother me It’s like the Star Wars prequels. I might not be able to enjoy them on the same merits that less critical fans do, but it’s still something I’ll find something to enjoy.
Camden Ross
>It's like the Star Wars prequels >it’s still something I’ll find something to enjoy t. zoomer retard Opinion discarded.
Bentley Gomez
>It's literally an expanded remake An expanded remake adds. FF7R changes what was already there. Do not describe FF7R as expanding. It alters. Learn what words mean. >It's what people wanted. No it's not. >Or were you one of those homo's that hated the fact that Jessie actually had a personality in this game? This is not something I give a shit about. Clearly I'm specifically talking about the story being changed. Filling out character backstory and adding new dialogue enriches the game. Nobody is complaining about that.
So this is how you argue a point. Make a strawman assumption, and use this bullshit to insist that the person you're talking to has no credibility.
Read the posts I make and address every point I make in them. Answer the questions I ask. That's how to win an argument. Ignoring everything and running away is how you lose.
Cameron Hernandez
>The entire point of this game was to be an expanded retelling where they explore several ideas and better integrate the new and expanded lore that wasn't there during the original. That would be fine if the new ideas and lore weren't fucking retarded.
Mason Rivera
Counterpoint: They lied.
John Davis
Look dude, plenty of retarded people live fulfilling lives don't worry about it
Nicholas Morris
What did it alter in the story?
Having finished the game, it altered basically nothing. All the big beats are there. Only things that are different is that Biggs survived, Wedge might have survived and Jessie is unclear due to this.
And Zack survived, which is the big OH SHIT reveal at the end.
Dominic Ortiz
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Landon Morris
Only reason an FF7 fan could be against the changes is if they literally disregarded Crisis Core.
Most of the things added are Crisis Core lore.
Colton Perez
i actually like it being a spinoff better than it being a remake since it changes way too much shit
Justin Jones
Never heard anyone say they wanted them to make major changes to the story. Literally never
Anthony Ortiz
>is if they literally disregarded Crisis Core. you mean what almost every FF7 fan does?
David Collins
>t. corporate shill why do you kikes care so much about Yas Forums
Jose Ward
>The meme will become real and aerith is going to live
Landon Cook
>you mean what I do
Crisis Core is universally beloved by the fanbase, virgin.
Connor Bell
>The entire point of this game was to be an expanded retelling where they explore several ideas and better integrate the new and expanded lore that wasn't there during the original. >Things like the expanded context of the Wutai War, Avalanche as an organisation (and not four morons in a basement), Crisis Core, etc. are added and integrated in the wider world.
What part of ANY of that do the Time Ghosts fit in?
Isaac Perry
>slot machine battle mechanics >cheeseball story and characters >subpar gameplay >short length Crisis Core was fucking garbage
Joseph Ross
>Before release FF7 Remake
>After release FF7 Kingdom Hearts fanfic edition
Do you know which of these 2 would generate the most hype, joy, excitement and preorders before release? Only giving you one guess.
Jason Green
>I like and SW prequels and Crisis Core The poster boys for VIIR fans are actual retards with bad taste. Whoodathunkit.
>What did it alter in the story? Every event that occurs differently in the remake is a change in the story. It's not the same story. It's a different story. The argument that you're trying to make is apparently that because the timeline is progressing at relatively the same pace then it doesn't matter what happens during any of the events. You're ignoring the point, bro. Talking about beats is a bogus argument. If those beats play out differently than in the original then the original story has been changed. Each of those events need to occur in the same way in order for your claim to be true. They do not.
>Only things that are different You are not arguing in good faith. Not only are these not even close to all the examples or the most egregious examples, but you're still very literally listing differences when you're asking ME what alterations were made to the story when my entire point is that alterations were made to the story. You've reinforced and proven my point while acting like you're confused as to what my point is.
You're not addressing anything I'm saying. You're not answering my question. All you're doing is saying that you don't care that the story was changed. I know that already. MANY people did not want the story to be changed. The overwhelming majority of people who wanted this game to be made in the first place, and who were looking forward to this game did not want the story to be changed. You personally liking the changes because you have no fucking respect for the source material is irrelevant to the point. You're wrong to act like you're correct. You're strawmanning everyone who wanted the original story and calling them autists. This is because you have a bullshit, shitposting take and you can't back up a single thing you say. You run away from every argument. You will run around in circles before you admit you're full of shit. Every time you do this all you do is prove that only morons defend this.
Ayden Turner
The time ghosts are wardens of the planet representing destiny.
Every time the game threatens to break with canon (Cloud nearly killing Reno, the Avalanche people not dying, Sephiroth killing Barret), they stop it because the planet won't allow us to break from Destiny (aka the plot of the original game).
The final boss is literally these ghosts. By beating them, the remake is now off the rails which is shown by Zack having survived Crisis Core.
Brody Peterson
>He doesn't like Crisis Core
What a homo
Asher Reed
Why is nobody talking about how Dirge of Cerberus is integrated?
The proper FFVII Remake would generate the most hype because none of the KH games have sold as well as FFVII.
Henry Allen
>>Before release >FF7 Remake it stopped being a FF7 remake like a day or two after it was announced though, i think they even called it a "re-imagining"
Jace James
Explain.
Jackson Powell
Both since they're both advertised as remakes, and zoomer millennials would be buying the game regardless of the plot changes made anyway.
Joshua Bell
>FF7 remake More like FF7 REMAKE. It was never a remake officially
Luis Bennett
DEEPGROUND is mentioned to exist along with Minerva and Genesis. Nomura is basically retconning all his dumb expanded shit in FFVII to Remake
Austin Flores
This was 2 weeks ago. It's a short article with direct quotes from multiple developers. gamespot.com/articles/final-fantasy-7-remake-is-a-very-faithful-recreati/1100-6475164/ Do not pretend as though the developers have been clear that this game's story would diverge and be completely different from the original. They have been deceptive for years and remained deceptive all the way up to release.
Andrew James
Deepground exists in the Remake. Cloud looks into a hole where Deepground is supposed to be, and he gets yeeted by a time janny. Also, the datamine mentions Deepground soldiers. I believe the party also fights some deepground monsters.
Luke Myers
Oh I'm not defending them at all, I'm saying it was never a real "remake" with how much they've changed. That they've gone even further and made it a sequel/spinoff/whatever is better with how they were making the gameplay
Aaron Clark
Where was that mentioned? All I noticed was Hojo namedropping G-Type SOLDIERS
Austin Moore
The mention of G-Type is enough to confirm Genesis' existence.
Adam Phillips
And I'm stating that they have been marketing it as though it is a real remake. They hid that they were changing almost everything about the story.
Lucas Clark
It's not Deepground. It's a Shinra test facility where they mutate people using Mako.
It has nothing to do with them because those some mutated monsters are fought later in Shinra HQ in Hojo's lab.
Oliver Williams
>Makes Remake of A New Hope >Five minutes into the movie Darth Vader's ghost form the future shows up and murders Obi-Wan >LUKE JOIN ME AND WE WILL DEFY OUR DESTINY AND BY THE WAY I'M YOUR DAD People would love it
Sebastian Taylor
They'd been marketing it as such but any of the footage or talks about it since hten would have made it obvious it was anything but. I was surprised they changed the story as well but I don't think they would have gotten the sales if they admitted it, which is a shame since I would have maybe gotten it.
Joshua Taylor
True, but Crisis Core is mentioned several times.
The Wutai war lore is brought up and the final cutscene is literally a remake of the final fight of Crisis Core except Zack survived and carried Cloud into Midgar.
~10 years ago if you were in a thread talking about FF7 and people were talking about a possible remake of FF7 and all of the cool things they could do with it... Do you know what would have happened if you stated that you don't want the original storyline in a remake, and what you really wanted was another spin-off like Advent Children but with some Kingdom Hearts storyline hooks? Almost everyone would have ignored it or laughed because it's 100% a sarcastic joke.
Jace James
It's a different game and different universe.
It doesn't overwrite FF7. Relax nerd.
Cooper Bailey
>but any of the footage or talks about it since hten would have made it obvious it was anything but. Absolutely wrong. It's unreasonable to state that a person watching a trailer would be able to correctly surmise that because they see something they don't recognize that the thing is indicative that the entire story has been changed. It's more reasonable to assume that if they see something new that it is simply an addition rather than a change. Fans were expecting additions to the story. They were not expecting changes to the story. >I don't think they would have gotten the sales if they admitted it That's correct. The reasons why they didn't reveal the changes to the story are clear. They wanted to retain pre-orders and sales from fans that wanted the original story, and since they knew they weren't going to give it to them they decided to hide it for more short-term profits. They bought initial sales and it's going to cost them an absurd amount of good will from fans.
Chase Harris
Reimagining
Carson Johnson
Fucking hell this has nothing to do with Kingdom Hearts.
Dumb shit like wardens of destiny were present in original FF7. The fucking plot revolves around magic cavemen and an alien comet monster virus.
Owen King
Then fans should have been made aware of this long ago. Square-Enix was transparent about the changes being made to ATB. Fans expected that change. They weren't happy about it but they knew it was coming. You'll notice nobody is complaining that they bought the game thinking it would be ATB.
Levi Ortiz
Hey I recognize that post. That's my post. The hell are you doing posting my post?
Nomura directed REMAKE. He was merely the character designer in the original
Grayson Walker
>Changes have been present from first trailer. >The combat is totally different >they literally said in numerous interviews they'd be changing things from day one.
Wyatt Anderson
>It's literally an expanded remake. IT IS A SEQUEL. >villain goes back in time and changes history to prevent original events THAT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS LINEARLY FOLLOWS FROM THE ORIGINAL GAME. VALKYRIE PROFILE 2 (also made by square enix!) is not a reboot despite following the same exact plot.
Christian Bennett
Always wondered why FF7 and KH get lumped in together, it's been happening for decades now.
Nobody ever says "KH ruined FF8"
Caleb Baker
They also said in multiple interviews that this is a very faithful remake.
Elijah Hill
They never stated they would be writing an entirely different story that takes place on essentially a parallel universe. They only ever stated that they would be recreating the story faithfully over and over. Under no stretch of the imagination is the remake's story faithful to the original.
Jaxon Murphy
>villain goes back in time and changes history to prevent original events
This never happens. Stop getting info from shitposters and play the fucking game.
I finished it today. Suck my dick.
It is. Every beat of the story is remade and everything new is in the spirit of the original. It's also got the fiat of the original crew. Stop being salty.
Jackson Johnson
There was no way to ruin ff8 more than it already is
Henry Bennett
Probably because FF8 didn't get shit like Advent Children or Dirge of Cerberus to extend its universal canon with retarded anime shit.
Luis Gray
>Entirely different >Literally everything happens. >Only difference is Zack didn't die and this doesn't impact the game at all since it's revealed in the final cutscene
How about you actually play the game?
Thomas Johnson
Ah right I forgot when Sephiroth killed Barret in the Shina building, ghosts immediately bringing him back to life moments later, and then sooner after we see Sephiroth throwing a gigantic building at the party. Incredibly faithful remake, Nomura does it again!
Liam Baker
Why cant they do both? Wouldnt they be able to edit down or alter certain scenes to essentially make the new story content optional?
Carson Bennett
Brainlets don't understand Nomura's influence on the remake. I guess you will soon.
>The entire point of this game was to be an expanded retelling where they explore several ideas and better integrate the new and expanded lore that wasn't there during the original. No, that's what they wanted you to think the point was. It turned out it was something very different.
Isaiah Sanchez
>It is. No it's not. > Every beat You're the same shill autist that describes the game's story with the term beat. You've been at this for days. Nobody says story beats. Nobody describes a story in terms of beats. They're events. They're events that are written different. Just because they take place at roughly the same time they would relative to the original timeline does not mean the events are identical.
What you are saying is wrong. Completely wrong. The story is different. It is a spin-off. You're full of shit. Shut the fuck up.
Aiden Barnes
Explained. Will of the Planet stopped it because Barret is meant to save the planet.
This is entirely in line with canon. The planet literally does shit like that in FF7.
Hudson Jones
>Dumb shit like wardens of destiny were present in original FF7. What did he mean by this?
Cooper Scott
>Literally everything happens. DIFFERENTLY. Everything happens differently. That's a different story. >Only difference is You handing me an example of how the story is different PROVES YOU WRONG.
Jackson Kelly
>Gets caught spreading the lie that the game is a time travel plot. >Tries to waltz past it.
I'm on to you faggot. You're a fucking liar.
Jace Perez
>It happens in a cutscene so it's not a change
Gavin Cox
>>Literally everything happens.
>Shinra false flags their own reactor when AVALANCHE's bomb fails. >when cloud meets Aerith there are fucking time jannies harassing her. >Sephiroth shows up to fuck with Cloud CONSTANTLY. >the meeting with Avalanche in the secret room under the pinball machine in Tifa's bar never happens. >Cloud meets a Sephiroth clone, there's at least 49 now. >they go on some stupid mission to steal blasting agent from a Shinra facility and meet Roche >Time jannies attack the sector 7 slums >Cloud is about to kill Rude when time jannies whisk him and Aerith away >OC donut steel guy in Wall Market. >Jessie gets killed by time jannies lobbing her grenade back at her >Hojo spoils the main twist >President Shinra is alive when the party get to him before Sephiroth kills him. >lots of new music from Hamauzu which has a totally different vibe than the original's music.
I didn't say shit about time travel. Events occur differently in the game because the story is different. That's the point. You claimed the story is the same. The existence of changes proves you wrong you fucking retard.
Lucas James
>you will never see the kino Jenova escaped horror sequence at the top of Shinra tower in grorious 3d It hurts bros
Not until way later on when it's already been established. This is the equivalent of force ghost Yoda from TLJ saving Luke from being shot in ANH because he's destined to stop the Empire. You can argue something like that makes sense and is in-line with the canon, but it still ends up being a fucking retarded change that has absolutely no place in the story.
Anthony Davis
Having Sephiroth in all of the advertisements for this game made it very clear that this was never going to be a faithful remake.
Revealing Zack and including a ton more content with Sephiroth massively changes the pacing of the game and goes directly against the concept of bringing the game to a whole new audience. People who play this game without playing the original won't get the slow reveal of how powerful Sephiroth is, or what an oh shit moment Cloud remembering was.
Lucas Richardson
That wasn't me. Pay attention you fucking idiot. Address my points. Refute my statements directly. The story is changed. I proved it. You gave me evidence to prove it too. Your claim that it is the same is wrong. You proved it wrong.
The story being different is bad. That's the problem. It's why fans won't/don't like this remake. It wasn't what they wanted. It wasn't what Square-Enix promised they were making.
Robert Lewis
>It's like the starwars prequels No don't you fucking dare. They did some wanky shit in those but at it's core it was simple, lighthearted and tried to be fun with a focus on action left huge plot holes because they didn't explain anything.
This is like nuDisney sequels full of SJW pandering and SUBVERT THE EXPECTATIONS LEL
>The planet literally does shit like that in FF7 It literally can't. in the original FF7 Sephiroth is blocking it from doing anything. Sephiroth has his metaphorical dick down the planets metaphorical throat and gagging that bitch against her will with the main cast being the police trying to stop the sexual assault.
Ryder Thomas
Appealing to him from the stance of how people would react to differences in the story isn't going to get you very far when he's deliberately resisting the concept that the story is different in the first place.
