The Competitive Failings of Smash Ultimate

Slow and heavy characters will never be good.

Melee having 8-12 characters depending on who you ask vs the 26 actually in the game make its balance much, much worse than Ultimate where the vast majority of 80 or so characters are at the very least viable.

Bowser is considered mid-low high.

Power-shielding is a superior mechanic to parry. Why do I have to hold shield and release it to parry? The point of a parry is to react and time a reversal, typically one that can be executed extremely quickly. Imagine if you had to hold block (not talking about red parries) before you could parry a fireball. That would be incredibly retarded. The single thing parry could do better would be successive parries on multihits but it can't even do that right due to how retarded the move is.

And Bowser also has a lot of fast, safe moves that let him avoid punishment. What's your point?

Competitive Smash is an accident and Palu's n-air is an even bigger one.

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balance doesn't matter if the game is fun. ultimate is fucking terribly balanced and as more and more tournaments go by, characters that people thought were top tier like lucina get filtered out. also

>bowser is top tier
yeah your game is garbage because having a bullshit move that comes out on frame 0 makes your character high tier regardless of how good the rest of their moveset is, one dimensional ass game.

>ultimate is fucking terribly balanced and as more and more tournaments go by, characters that people thought were top tier like lucina get filtered out

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>Ultimate is unbalanced because the meta keeps developing

Never said Bowser was Top Tier, and maybe stop approaching a shielding bowser with poorly spaced aerials like a retard. Also
>frame 1
his fastest hitboxes come out frame 6.

>Spam projectiles to approach
>Spamming only moves that are not punishable on shield
>2-hit combos
>Spot dodging
>Fast move out of shield
This game is so tiresome. My ultimatefag friends convinced me to buy a Switch to play with them and I've fucking had it with this game after getting character #4 to elite.

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uh oh

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ok stinky

The video makes some ok, kinda obvious points then just switches to talking about characters he doesn't like

Moves like Skullbash and Peach Bomber were literally designed to be safe on block but laggy after a whiff, and parry doesn't exist to give free punishes on success

>and parry doesn't exist to give free punishes on success
what's even the point then

hungrybox is really an ugly person.

>and parry doesn't exist to give free punishes on success
unless you main Fox in which it does

smash bros is dominated by south americans, blacks and trannies in case you didnt know

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To relieve pressure and let you out of shield for free
If someone spaces an aerial and you shield it they can continue to pressure your shield but if you parry it neutral is reset
If they go for a poorly spaced move like a high nair then parrying gives you a pretty great reward
The character is built to pressure and whiff punish so yeah

Ultimate is amazing, that guy just needs to git gud

t. wifi superheavy/zoner main

>The viable characters in Ultimate that don't fall into either of these categories are actually reasonably cool! Unfortunately there's like three of them and they're not good as the others

Stopped watching here. This retard thinks pic related have nothing cheap about their kits or design. Not only are they constantly at the top of every tier list but they have the most overturned attacks in Ultimate, especially Pikachu.

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>gays are trannies now
what

What a little chad, he even has a neat party hat.

Wolf is mostly honest outside of side special

I wanted to like Inkling in Smash so bad, but their aerial game just so ridiculously strong on top of having the best bury in the game AND having a resource mechanic that offers only pros and no cons.

Really, the only resource character who suffers any cons from limited moves is Banjo, and that's only because he literally can't recover his resources.

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Wolf and Inkling are some of the most enjoyable top tiers to play against
Pika can be annoying since he's super small and safe but I'll take fighting him over a good amt of chars

>Fade back bair, the character
>fun to fight

I thought the same thing.
Inkling is gimmicky af and pikachu is stupidly unfair

If they're fading back then they're giving up stage

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hes correct

>melee nigger bitching about ultimate
every single time

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>complains about optimal play
Guess you shouldnt play any multiplayer game

This retard just said that Ike was better than wolf, inkling and pikachu.

Stopped watching there. Waste of my time.

If the optimal way to play is to play as lame as possible then it's bad.

>Guys look at all the cool tech smash 4 had!
>Everyone played differently in smash 4!
This guy is a tr4shfag if that doesnt tell you enough about him than I don't know what will

But if you watch even a little of the video he admits to being a tr4sh fetus

Do you want optimal play to be throwing out random Falcon punches every 5 seconds and people just randomly mashing buttons?

Nah just making him fucking playable at all would be a start though.

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>still pushing the Falcon is bad meme

yeah he's fucking terrible in ultimate. where are the falcon players getting results? the top falcon is frustrated enough to not even want to play the character at tournaments. unless you want to provide evidence of the contrary feel free.

>yeah bro smash 4 was actually fucking sick I love smash 4 i want it back :(
Oh look its this cycle again. Smash 4 was fucking trash get real you fucking nigger

No amount of mental gymnastics will convince me that brawl or Sm4sh were better in any way than Ultimate. Melee was broken in such a way where it felt like speed runners fighting each other so at least that's kind of cool. Brawl just felt bad to play on every level with a ridiculous amount of stupid shit like falco infinite stun, dedede chain grab, and metaknight's metaknight. 4 is lame because it is so centered around grabs, blocking, and shallow move pools. The moves of a smash character are always limited compared to other fighting games but nearly every character's gimmick in that one revolved around having one stupid thing they can do. It was frustrating to play and especially frustrating to watch as every single player was exactly the same. Ultimate doesn't have as many glitches and has things built in to make it require less APM to accomplish similar tasks. Then, it also has some of the best balance ever for a fighting game of that size. Obviously there are your S tiers but it never gets into "unbeatable" realms outside of matchup issues like wario vs bowser. Ultimate is fun, more people are playing, and the only people complaining are those bitter about losing something they once had or literally complaining about too many valid options. It succeeds way more as a videogame than an esport but that's the way it should be.

ADD
POISE

When are we going to get "The Competitive Failings of Billy and Mandy"

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>Yas Forums: No one owned a Wii U
>also Yas Forums: Tr4sh was the worst, I know from experience

I'd rather play against these characters than most other shit online

Yes, I prefer there be multiple paths to victory, instead of "Become as speedrunners and do the same thing over and over again to win."

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I'll never forgive them for what they did to Falcon. He feels worse to play in Ultimate than he did in fucking Brawl.
Corn got butchered too, but whenever I mention I liked Corrin in 4 they tell me I'm crazy

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dude managed to put into words stuff that I couldn't articulate about smash for a long time. I still like playing it with friends but competitive smash makes me angrier than I've ever been at anything in my whole life. That's a failing on my part though. There's just something about it that makes me want to kill myself and everyone around me.

wait there was a competitive scene for that?

solbadguysmom.blogspot.com/2018/12/smash-4-is-bad-fighting-game-beta.html

This post is basically a better explained version of that video, edge trumping is the worst mechanic ever implemented in smash (competitively atleast). I also can't believe how much of a step back ultimate is in terms of control, it feels like I'm playing a half baked flash game at times.

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There should have been.

You retards want heavy character to be as fast as pikachu while still hitting like a truck.

> where the vast majority of 80 or so characters are at the very least viable.
That isn’t true though

The intro is way too fucking long, I quit

Edge hogging takes even less effort once you know how to do it well. Ledge trumping is at least slightly more interactive.

Its ok when Bowser and DK do it

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>spoiler
I'm glad I'm not the only one. I wish I had a Wii U on hand so I could compare and figure out what went wrong.
Slightly related, today marks me finally finding a character I can enjoy playing in Ultimate.

Competitive Shrek Super Slam was superior

Imagine hating a video game enough to spam that many wojacks.

WTF SMASH 4 IS SUDDENLY THE BEST!?!?!?!??!?!?! THX LITERAL WHO YOUTUBER DUDE!!! IMA HEAD OUT AND GET 0% TO BAYONETTA EPIC!

The difference between lightweights and heavyweights should be commitment, not speed.

What makes u say that

Pick a better character you seething negroid

Not him but Smash Ultimate's tier list is honestly really fine.
proguides.com/super-smash-bros-ultimate/characters/
Of this list, basically anyone B tier and above is competitively viable. And it's not like C or D tiers are upsets either, most of them are still really good depending on the matchup.
More than half the roster is competitively viable versus Melee having only a third be really viable. That's a sizeable increase.

Wow he posted another one in this thread, didn’t even notice. Literal autism.

Smash Ultimate is the most balanced smash games yet and you all still cried because you don't win 100% of your game.

Ever thoughts maybe that your opponent is just better than you?

T. Tim Buckley

WAS HE GAY?

Its one thing to being a smellee but imagine being a fucking tr4sh defender.