I JUST DISCOVERED ARENA SHOOTERS WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY NOT POPULAR ANYMORE BROS ITS NOT FAIR I MISSED EVERYTHING

God, Totalbiscuit was too based for this world.

Then why aren't boomera still playing the old games? I mean RTS and fighting games do that.

>nobody plays a game that's in alpha and literally unfinished and the community does more work than the devs and on the epic launcher

the cost of games increased but the popularity of the genre didn't
you cannot blame normies for the death of arena shooters

Plenty of people played minecraft in alpha. Not an argument.

Completely different genres

Gaming has been normie-saturated since NES was marketed as a family home entertainment system.

and that's the answer, the genre is the problem

>blaming normies

Lmao, Arena Shooters aren't popular because they never progressed, the genre has been at either a decline or a stand still for over a decade. Every time a new arena shooter that's made by a big company releases it shits on the genre, and then an indie game comes along and just mimics Quake Live or UT2K4 and no one is interested in those games in reality because they're mechanics aren't something new, or fresh, they're old and stale and add nothing to an already established genre. Everyone likes to claim that the newest indie arena shooter is doing something big or spicing it up, but all that ever happens is they include a small mechanic from another game and then maybe tweak weapon balance, WOAH WOW WHAT A CHANGE, HOW GROUND BREAKING.

You know why CS:GO is popular? Because the fucking game progressed, Valve added content to the fucking game and tightened the mechanics to a point that people universally agreed that the shooting felt great and game flow almost always felt fresh.

no marketing, not monetized

they were unable to evolve and got crabbed by autists who want the same thing over and over again but not really but really

>backpeddling
Not an argument

People are just going to constantly make excuses like but the reality of it is that those games didn't even have that many players at their peak.

Dumb zoomer I'm glad you like them but they are gone until you convince every single fornite fagget to try it.

How do you evolve arena shooters though? They're already perfect.

This. It doesn't count because of reasons of my choosing. Also, nobody plays the old games because they're old, and nobody wants to play old competitive games (RTS/fighting games don't count for reasons of my choosing).

then why do you want new games?

They're so perfect nobody plays them or cares about them.

>when fortnite came out and got popular my first thought was "Oh good now the kids will try UT alpha and it'll get popular too"
>immediately tencent cancels it, starts tearing apart PC gaming, destroys linux compatibility and everything gets worse

My mistake was thinking things could ever get better.

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Ok, that's fair. I really wish more people would play older games, even QC or Diabotical when it released, but I'll hear you out. If arena shooters need to evolve with the times, how should they be improved?

>totalasscancer
lol

Arena shooters were never good.

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Introduce a new movement system, stop relying on what Quake and UT created, people constantly bitch that if you change the movement system you kill the game, but that's not even remotely true. 15 years ago if you told players that auto-hopping was going to be the norm in all arena shooters players would have thrown a fit and would be frothing at the mouth, but low and behold, everyone agrees now after years of having auto-hopping that it was a good fucking idea.

Change the weapon roster, for good, stop leaning on fucking Quake and UT, the weapon roster has been the same for years to facilitate fucking Duel/1v1, and while I love fucking Duel, most people don't, so fuck off and change it.

Focus on making Clan/Team Arena a better experience, introduce more mechanics to the fucking team modes, this is where the expanded weapon roster comes in. 2GD fucking knew that Clan Arena was shit and has been shit for years but people love to play it so he devised the stupid ball abilities and Wipeout to make clan arena better, and it worked, BUT HE DIDN'T GO FUCKING FAR ENOUGH, he like everyone else is designing the genre too fucking safe.

18+ website zoomy

>Introduce a new movement system, stop relying on what Quake and UT created, people constantly bitch that if you change the movement system you kill the game, but that's not even remotely true. 15 years ago if you told players that auto-hopping was going to be the norm in all arena shooters players would have thrown a fit and would be frothing at the mouth, but low and behold, everyone agrees now after years of having auto-hopping that it was a good fucking idea.
>Change the weapon roster, for good, stop leaning on fucking Quake and UT, the weapon roster has been the same for years to facilitate fucking Duel/1v1, and while I love fucking Duel, most people don't, so fuck off and change it.
>Focus on making Clan/Team Arena a better experience, introduce more mechanics to the fucking team modes, this is where the expanded weapon roster comes in. 2GD fucking knew that Clan Arena was shit and has been shit for years but people love to play it so he devised the stupid ball abilities and Wipeout to make clan arena better, and it worked, BUT HE DIDN'T GO FUCKING FAR ENOUGH, he like everyone else is designing the genre too fucking safe.

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>anime
cringe

Isnt UT the only one that tried to diversiffy the weapons? Everyone else leaned on projectie/hitscan/tracking as main weapons.

Arena shooters were never good.

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weebshit is so fucking cringe

>cringe
dilate

>soijak (147.png)

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>I JUST DISCOVERED ARENA SHOOTERS WHY THE FUCK ARE THEY NOT POPULAR ANYMORE BROS ITS NOT FAIR I MISSED EVERYTHING
?

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>implying

user please

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>chicago high ping
>everywhere else low ping
Hmmmm

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GOD FUCKING DAMN IT, WHY CAN’T SHE BE REAL!? I WANT TO beat THE SHIT OUT OUT THAT HAMSTER!

CS didn't really evolve, they just took the core mechanics and polished them really well.

Sorry bro. Better learn to get gud at Fortnite.

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So many LARPing children on this board. Arena shooters were never as popular as Yas Forums makes them out to be. I used to play Q3A back around 99 to 03 and there would always only be maybe 500 to 1000 players online at any given time.

>Arena shooters were never as popular as Yas Forums makes them out to be
So then why are they mystified as such?

retard

I unironically agree with this.

The team modes have to be better and have actual objectives. CA sucks. And I'd even suggest item timers on HUD and health bars for duel.

I don’t know. I’m guessing younger people heard about how hardcore they were and now LARP as hardcore AFPS players for some kind of gamer cred. Even in it’s prime you would be lucky to see 1000 players online in Q3A.

Counter-Strike was the natural progression and was WAY more popular even at the time.

Because they have a lot of prestige from the "old days" due to them being the first esports games and old faggots that played rocket arena 3 for 5 mins back in 2000 think that they were as good as quake pros even though they were never good, then zoomers want to impress the boomers so they larp as also being quake pros. It's a vicious cycle.

>CA

Literally the only interesting mode is duel, and maybe defrag ctf because of the movement. CA is fucking retarded.

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Welcome to the worst part of Arena Shooters, everyone wants to play Clan Arena, but CA fucking sucks massive dong.

Y'know how you make arena shootan popular again, you fucking try and fix gay ass CA

Yeah I think a big reason quake died was that all anyone wants to play is gay ass 50v50 clan battles on camp grounds. Normies hate that shit. Even the actual quake dueler fags hate it. You have to have some kind of objective based mode that doesn't suck.

I don't know man, a lot changed from 1.6 to source and from source to GO.

At a surface level it doesn't seem like a whole lot, but if you had been playing those games for years you could fucking tell how the movement system changed, how weapon eco was rebalanced to not be so punishing and how maps were fundamentally changed to facilitate a better new player experience.

I know how this will sound, but I post this without a hint of irony: Try the game Arsenal on Roblox. It's shockingly solid (seriously, I have no idea how they got hitreg to work so well in fucking roblox of all things) and is the only arena shooter I've ever played that has consistently had a large playerbase for multiple years. It is by far the most well hidden gem of a game I've ever seen.

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I wish I could go back to the glory days of UT 2k4's assault multiplayer. The races and the usual assault fare. Not even bothered about the standard death match and classic arena modes, I always felt Quake 3 was a better game for that.
But I'll always miss those days playing assault.

Dum nug.

why is umaru chan so popular? is her anime worth watching?

Retards who think that anime and manga posted here is done in jest or as a joke.

Diabotical's take on CA is pretty good

its cute and funny

here's what afps need to ever have a chance

>some intuitive new movement system that isn't just bhop or sj, or put in auto hops
>a better new player experience/tutorial
>modes that aren't just retarded free for alls with no selfdamage rj, instagib, or clan arena, actual objective based modes that fit the movement styles well
>VISIBLE TIMERS ON THE HUD IN DUEL or a different gameplay loop in duel with alternative ways of getting more stack
>LIFE BARS IN DUEL (like a fighting game)
>balanced weapons (yes, shotgun and plasma being too good would be retarded and LGing is the ultimate test of aim but normies want "balance" ok?)
>good netcode
>somehow fix spawn fragging and exploitable spawn points (normies fucking HATE this the most), I suggest invincibility on spawn for 5 seconds and buffed movement speed so you can get away without getting instagibbed on spawn

and the most important thing of ALL is this

>Stop waiting for the "savior of arena shooters", if you want the glory days of quakeworld/osp/cpma back then fucking MAKE them you retards instead of just using the quake name/brand as a cringey way to flex on kids when nobody cares. People brought melee and scbw back from the grave. You fuckers need to start playing. Start joining afps discords, start setting up games, start mentoring new players that are interested in 1v1s and teach them how to play.

You dumb fucks think the next quake 3 or cpma clone will "save arena shooters" but they won't. They'll be on reflex/diabotical 7.0 in 2030 and you'll still be waiting for them to "save afps". You need to have actual team modes for the normies that aren't stupid ass clan arena that everyone hates and you need to make the new player experience better for duel faggotry.

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>the cost of games increased
because normalfags want shiny graphics.

Tribes Ascend was the answer for all of this

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yeah, 2k4 had the shield gun and rockets and link gun weren't as usable as RL and LG in quake. Shock rifle and flak cannon were more functional.

I always wanted an arena shooter with UT weapons but Quake movement

Yeah, Wipeout is neat, it's still not good enough. It's still too safely designed, Diabotical as a whole is too safely designed to please a crowd that barely exists anymore. Conservatively designing a quake clone will never result in a smash hit, if Diabotical fails it'll be the ultimate proof that the formula CAN NOT WORK under its current configuration and needs more radical changes.

Tribes is fun, but autismos don't consider it an Arena Shooter. I would literally give my left nutt for tribes to be made again today, it has everything a shooter needs to succeed, its formula is solid as fuck.

watch some of totalbiscuit's fps reviews. it's like watching a 93 year old grandma trying to play