Final Fantasy VII Remake

Why don't the time travel ghosts just revive the president? Why don't the ghosts just revive everyone in the slums?

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7r-kun will tell you he will probably be in this thread shortly

because you touch yourself at night

What the hell is with the smokey stabs?

there he is!

'cause all those people died/were supposed to die then. Barrett wasn't.

It's basically Sephiroth changing the timeline. It's Future Sephiroth killing President Shinra not the present time Sephiroth.

As shit as I think this stuff is, I think you're missing the point about the ghosts.

requesting subway sandwich edit

Yeah, I know all about that, it's just the random smoke that gets me.

>Why don't the time travel ghosts just revive the president? Why don't the ghosts just revive everyone in the slums?
Another ESL that doesn't understand what they do, lmao.

>Naomi! Where's my Nano-machines pen!?

Next part is gonna have a playable Sephiroth part I can feel it

>Why don't the time travel ghosts just revive the president?
Because he's supposed to die.

nomura is just too smart for all these boomer purists!!

Why don't sephy kill the ghosts?
If ghosts undo everything, why even bother trying to change anything?

Apparently he is. Shit just keeps going over their heads.

No one does when the plate falls

If the ghosts just decide who lives and dies why is Sephiroth necessary?

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>Why don't the time travel ghosts just revive the president? Why don't the ghosts just revive everyone in the slums?
So... Do you guys know what you're getting mad about? It seems to me like you don't even understand to plot. The Ghosts don't change time, they fix it.
This is literally told to you directly, how is this hard to understand?

WHY IS THERE NO BLOOD?

This is a Kingdom Hearts game for kids.

>If the ghosts just decide who lives and dies why is Sephiroth necessary?
They don't. He isn't. Sephiroth is trying to fuck with how events happened. The Ghosts are trying to stop him.

OG had a playable Sephiroth

Ghosts be like 'fuck the rich AND fuck the poor too'

Outside of the flashback I should have stated

they just keep the story the way it was

Why don't the ghosts just kill him then?

Since Sephiroth is a time traveler he can't modify the timeline in any way until the ghosts are destroyed, that's why he convinces Cloud to kill the ghosts, so he can start changing the timeline and guarantee that he wins.

ESL's just don't understand.
Don't reply to them, the ghosts are unironically too difficult for them to get.

>Why don't the ghosts just kill him then?
I'm honestly not sure. I think it's because he's already dead, and is essentially a force ghost

they're called changebads actually

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>Since Sephiroth is a time traveler he can't modify the timeline in any way until the ghosts are destroyed, that's why he convinces Cloud to kill the ghosts, so he can start changing the timeline and guarantee that he wins.
But the party are also time travelers?

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I can’t believe the madman actually did it. People are going to be PISSED

Wait. So is this supposed to be an alternative timeline where the original events arw changed due to Sephiroth somehow time-travelling? So it's literally Remaking the past?
That shit's dumb. I'm out of the loop for this and it just sounds disappointing.

You could very easily figure this out if you weren't ESL and could use context clues. I'll spoonfeed you though because I fear if I don't, you won't get it.
Sephiroth isn't supposed to die yet, so they can't kill him. If it didn't happen in the original timeline, they fix it.
That's why the changebad ghosts were all around Sephiroth in the first place, he wasn't supposed to be there.

You know blood isn't allowed in T rated games nowadays.

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Only Nomura can explain it, but it's likely because Sephiroth is too powerful or controls the lifestream or something like that.

It’s really a sequel to advent children that only becomes clear at the very end. Everything leading up to that is pretty much the same as the og

Chinese censorship. Showing blood is a big nono on their market

>I'm out of the loop
Not surprised.

interesting. does nomura reach any final fantasy time mechanics courses? I would love to learn about all of the world building he put into this great plot device

>ESL
I know we taught you a new word yesterday... but remake-kun - YOU ARE the ESL.

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I assume you mean "dies". And I need a source, that sounds awful

The ghosts are new because that Sephiroth is trying to take the original plot off-script. It's either
>a completely different Sephiroth from the future coming back to fuck everything up
>Jenova/Sephiroth having a precognitive vision of the future so they are trying to change fate
The Watchmen of Fate ghosts are like WEAPON, but for the time/space continuum instead of a planet.

Regardless, the ghosts are there to mix things up and add a bit to the game, allow you to tweak outcomes a bit, but still otherwise keep the original plot threads the same. You can only slightly go off script in this first episode for inconsequential stuff. It remains to be seen if shit will go off the rails in the next installment.

Because he isn't supposed to he dead yet, you fucking retard.

I remember that during the ratings they literally wrote "someone is stabbed but out of camera"
Did they lie?

But it's their timeline and the ghosts are the only thing keeping it intact, Future Sephiroth is an outsider.

Lmao you just got filtered by numura!!

keep going this is interesting

I honestly am right now.
In an odd twist of fate if this become batshit retarded I think it preserves ff7 better. honk honk

Not buying an installment based game, is this time travel ghost stuff for real or is tidus getting killed by an exploding blitzball again?

>So it's literally Remaking the past?

Yes. "Remake" refers to Sephiroth remaking the timeline, not FFVII being remade.

Why doesn't he kill the ghosts?

I miss when the world didn't pander to China. Even people working on official translations of porn games have to keep things that might offend the Chinese in mind now.

>never finished original FF7 (only finished the midgar section) in the 90s
>eh whatever ill play the remake whenever it comes out
>its actually a sequel and i actually have to play the 1997 release

I'VE BEEN RUSED

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>ESL's just don't understand.
Dude, remake kun. YOU ARE THE ESL.
We've been mocking you relentlessly yesterday for your poor spelling and lacking grasp of the english language - now you call everyone "ESL" without realizing the actual meaning, you fucking retard.

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While I don't recall specifically mentioning no one dies, some newly introduced characters along with Wedge perform and evacuation allowing the majority of the sector 7 slums residents to survive.

>in the original you get the ominous kino moment of finding the president already dead
>remake just shows it
Wow, they really couldn't recapture any of the originals magic could they?

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So it's a misleading advertisement scam.

Why are people still confused over the changebad ghosts? Their Bio just tells you what they do, this shouldn't be hard to understand in the slightest.

>ghosts can only kill people who are supposed to die
>sephiroth isn't supposed to die despite killing people who aren't supposed to die
>we have to let him kill people until we can kill him, but nobody can die before that
It's so fucking dumb.

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>thinking nomura cooked up this autism just to keep Biggs alive

They're actually time travellling to zack's fight. That's why when he turns to midgar it's surrounded by ghosts and thats why he survives.

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There's a recording of a stream floating around. They evacuate everyone, which is why Biggs and Wedge live, but the ghosts try to stop them by scaring people back into sector 7

It's real. This is a sequel disguised as a remake. They even basically admitted it themselves five years ago, it's just that no one caught it.

>The official title is “Final Fantasy VII Remake.” According to Kitase and Nomura, there were plans to attach a subtitle that relates to the story, but they didn’t want to give off the impression that it was a spin-off or a sequel.

You know, I think the Bio of the changebad ghosts is just a little too perfect. Like, it explains to you directly what it is they do, and yet people still get confused.
It's probably because they can't read, just like their bio says...

but the whole point of the remake is to expand the existing lore and world, so surely these new time mechanics are fully fleshed out right?

It's not their timeline, that's why the ghosts are attacking them. Sephiroth pulled them in another timeline where zack survives. By killing the zack ghost from a future timeline you overwrote his death.

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So was Tylord87 Nomura himself?

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All this remake stuff is like one huge terrible fanfic. My head hurts.

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>implying magic time niggers are the most magical element of the franchise now

why did Xenoroth bother killing the president anyways?

That's our Nomura! Get ready for contrived rules to force a plot, that he ends up breaking and contradicting later.

>he wants a "remaster"

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>>sephiroth isn't supposed to die despite killing people who aren't supposed to die
That was fixed by the changebad ghosts almost immediately.
>we have to let him kill people until we can kill him
Wrong. They have to let him live, until Cloud and the party kill him, just like in the original FF7 story. Once again, you don't understand. I feel like I'm talking to a brick wall here.

Name me one time Square did time travel right after Chrono Trigger

>My head hurts.
Lmao. Can't make this shit up.
Screencapped.

>no one's ever really gone

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sorry remake-kun us boomer purists need more time to catch up to nomura's artistic intellect.

I hate that man so fucking much.

>That was fixed by the changebad ghosts almost immediately.
What's the point of anyone even doing anything then? Any kind of plot progression will just be reset by fucking ghosts instantly. It removes any kind of tension from the game.

Once again, you've proven yourself to be ESL and incapable of understanding. Watch the WebM's again, retard. Really look at them.

>Unable to read
LMAO this nigga retarded??

>Once again, you've proven yourself to be ESL and incapable of understanding. Watch the WebM's again, retard. Really look at them.
Remake-kun. YOU ARE THE ESL. Especially because you use apostrophes where they aren't needed. It's webms not webm's you retarded mouthbreathing german ESL nigger.

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So
>Ghost are meant to protect timeline
>But really just do clean up after it is fucked with and already changed
>Can't actually stop someone actively going around messing shit up
>Can't actually communicate in any way
>Very conveniently look like death so seem evil
Fucking jannies, useless like always

Imagine if at this point a ghost just popped down and revived her.

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So the point of Sephiroth going off-script is to bait out the changebads then have Cloud and friends kill them (because he can't kill them himself since he's from another timeline) and then once they're gone he can change his future/past

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those dirty fucking nips

It's not a sequel. It's an alternate universe story. A "sidequel" if you prefer. Basically, Nomura somehow found a way to make the game umappealing to the fans and inaccessible to new players.

>No argument
Lmao. You're the one who's someone unable to follow the most basic plot points. Therefore, you can't read.
Dumb ESL, don't reply to me again before you've proven you understand.

basically, yes, he's using Cloud as a convenient idiot

no, you've been filtered by nomura San?

Another ESL retard who doesn't get it.