Ok I spoiled myself on a few things and...
Is it true that it's actually a sequel and not a remake? And the "Remake" in the title is not referring to it being a remake of the game? It's the actual subtitle like how Crisis Core and Advent Children are? Because it's about time travel and remaking the story.
If that's actually true, Nomura is crazier than I thought. I don't know if I love or hate this, but I'm hyped.
There is a future sephiroth and a present sephiroth. Present sephiroth is dead and in the northren crater. Future sephiroth wants to change shit, but he cant because of watchmen of fate, spirits that want to keep the events just like that, and they were probably even following future sephiroth to the past to stop him. Im sure ive seen this concept before in soul reaver, where monsters attack raziel when hes travelling around time since hes messing with it and that shouldnt be.
Sephiroth wants to change things but he cant, so he tricks the party into thinking that watchmen of fate are bad and that if they dont change fate, they will get a bad ending (showing that red XIII scene where he runs towards a destroyed midgar. They assume this is the bad ending, when in reality it is the good one). The party defeats the the spirits and now they have to face sephiroth, because since theres no spirits, he can do whatever he wants. Cloud defeats future sephiroth and shit is, for now, restored.
Now the party knows that something is up with sephiroth, so they leave midgar to find present sephiroth and try to change fate since they think the good ending is the bad ending. They dont know what is gonna happen.
Thats it.
My theory is that sephiroth also shows all this scenes to Cloud to prevent Aeris from dying. With aeris not dying she cant have access to the lifestream, therefore meteor should win. Probably the new objective is to take her holy materia and not to kill her.
I dont know about you, but i firmly think that this part was about future sephiroth + watchmen of fate, while the next parts will purely be present sephiroth and jenova like the normal OG, with the potential of fate changing.
I just wanted to know if what I said in the spoiler is true or not. I don't want to read that and spoil myself even more.
This sounds like a better story than the original.
>time travel shenanigans
The madmen have actually found a way to avoid killing off Aerith
You are gonna get bits of shitposts like "AC is canon and KH shit retcon ghosts", so its either the whole post or nothing.
My question was if it being called "Remake" is not because it's a remake but it's a sequel with "Remake" as the subtitle. It's pretty much a yes or no question.
Oh and to answer your question. We just dont know yet. Its an alternate timeline that might not be so alternate than the original. But it is not meant to replace the original, in fact i think thats the whole point of everything.
So it's not a sequel/time-loop but just an alternate universe?
This is the second time in the span of a few weeks that a character who was famously killed is brought back in a new game. Did the industry collectively decide no gaming character was allowed to stay dead? Was there a memo I missed?
Its a timeloop (multiple playthroughs of ff7) that sephiroth wants to stop so he can win this time.
Thats how i see it.
No, the original isnt less canon and it isnt going nowhere, so chill.
>biggs surviving.
what about jessie and wedge?
Why do Square Enix games always need to involve time travel to the most complicated possible degree?
I wouldn't mind it if they really committed to the idea but it's always just used as a plot tool to make the writer omnipotent and do whatever he wants.
Square Enix doesn't use time travel, it uses crossovers excused by the term "time travel"
It's always been stupid as hell
That if she survives.
Because it is
Jessie dies, i havent seen anything about wedge.
Thank god biggs survived though, i like his voice actor and he was wasted in that character. Not that there was another character that fit that suave older character like Balthier
I wouldnt say better, just different. We have to wait and see since this is just a theory
>that's it
Nomura has brainwashed the zoomers so much with kingdom heart's convoluted garbage plot that they think this is normal.
And they are gonna kill Tifa instead to recreate that feeling kek
nobody dies
This honestly sounds beyond retarded.
>Cloud defeats future sephiroth and shit is, for now, restored.
What the fuck? How does early Cloud beat AC Sephiroth?
Future sephiroth isnt defeated, he just fucks off, possibly to the future again, or autokills himself since his job is done (to kill the watchmen so party changes fate without them knowing). We dont know if hes back, maybe hes back when in part 3 or final part cloud and co didnt change their fates and future sephiroth gets pissed off.
Thats so much convoluted nonsense. Is fucking Nomura actually trying to turn Final Fantasy VII into a new Kingdom Hearts series!?
All of Squares project are coalescing into one game. Versus XIII
Youve never played a kingdom hearts if you think thats convoluted. KH wins against 7r by light years in convoluted shit.
I'm going to be fucking sick, who asked for that shit? Why does it have to be the only remake out of 500 fucking remastered games to have a different story?
And yes I'm mad
No, they're gonna kill Cloud and replace him with Zack via time fuckery
and completely destroy the significance of what made the original story so great
>hey Nomura, we'll let you stay on as lead dev but can you tone down the nonsense plot twists?
>"say no more "
>months later
>wtf Nomura? We told you to tone it down
>"what? I only sent one bad guy back through time in this time"
>The madmen have actually found a way to avoid killing off Aerith
She needs to die though in order for Future Sephiroth to even be a thing.
>KH wins against 7r by light years in convoluted shit.
I know user. But it looks to me that Nomura WANTS to turn FFVII into KH. Picture KH3 but with the FFVII characters... thats seems to be the future we are going towards.
Yes because if they just killed Aerith like they did in the original, you'd have the exact same emotional reaction of shock! And people would definitely just not level or use her because "Why would I waste time on Aerith if she's just going to die?"
Why do people keep saying Biggs and Wedge survive when there is no fucking proof? Screenshots, now. Otherwise you're full of shit just like the people last week saying President Shinra and Rufus were combined into one character (trailer shows both Rufus and his dad)
>we have to drastically change everything because the fortnite zoomer crowd will lose interest
>>"what? I only sent one bad guy back through time in this time"
oh fuck.... how many Sephiroths, that look and act different but are actually the same character are we going to have this time!?
dude, have you not seen the pics? biggs survives, or at least in the ending scenes you see him surviving.
I dont have pics but i can assure with all my heart
WHat i dont know if that is another timeline or it is the same, but we do see the scene.
In the original Sephiroth is capable of affecting time and space at the end, or so he claims.
I guess it makes sense he would see Holy about to fuck up the meteor and go back in time to change that.
Also there is a moment after you beat finalboss sephiroth where only he and cloud exist in a blank black area and Cloud is able to limit break and push Sephiroth’s shit in much to his surprise.
I don’t know what this was supposed to be in the original but I could see it having to do with the Remake.
At this point I swear Nomura is just trying to make some sort of mindfuck magnum opus that connects every single game he's ever worked on. It's not unlikely that he'll add some KH easter egg, maybe being able to use a keyblade as a secret unlockable weapon, but being Nomura he's going to make an entire game to try and explain how this is canon.
google the definition of the word remake then remaster. retards think its a remaster. it is not it is a remake and will be nothing like the original story.
>Is it true that it's actually a sequel and not a remake?
Not really. Basically:
>Sephiroth after Advent Children somehow travels to the past as a spirit (we don't know how this is explained yet) and tries to change it to a new future where he doesn't get buster-fucked twice
>Natural cosmic forces try to stop this to maintain the timeline, doing stuff like healing Barret when Sephiroth stabs him to prove to Cloud the "whispers" have a destiny planned for his team he's trying to change. This is part of a broader goal to bring Cloud to his side and not get buster-fucked again.
>Group end up rejecting whatever he has planned and fight him again at the end. They see Red's future post VII of abandoned Midgar and assume they must fight to prevent it since they think its a bad ending, Cloud and Aerith see some of AC. The group beats Sephiroth.
>Sephiroth as a last ploy gives Cloud a vision with him at the edge of reality as he's fading out, presumably via the Jehovah cells. Sephiroth once again requests he join him while making a final argument that it's for the best for everyone (this is a lie). Cloud tells him to fuck off and that he'll do things his way, not Sephiroth's. Sephiroth's soul fades out and presumably is gone for good.
>Ending has the gang going forward intending to avert the future Sephiroth came from because they think it ends badly for all mankind from Red's future vision
>Final timeline shenanigan is a vision of a scenario where Zack is suddenly saved and survives the end of CC, and Aerith senses it vaguely. It's unclear if this is part of the Remake timeline or if this means there'll be more timeline crossovers as the gang continue to try fuck destiny.
So basically it's a sequel to Sephiroth only and is otherwise just a huge overwrought justification to have the story going forward be as different as Nomura wants by making the cast deliberately set out to avert FF7's plotline and pitting the force trying to preserve it against them.
>In the original Sephiroth is capable of affecting time and space at the end, or so he claims.
Does he? i dont remember that
If it's well told then the emotional impact always works even if you know it's coming.
I am the OP and not one person has answered my question.
dont fool yourself, you know the ending will be a battle with 1 winged angel like the original, but once he's down, instead of the 1 v 1, nu-seph and old-seph fusion dance into two winged angel.
Convoluted means I dont understand and I want uncle Trump to explain things for me.
You rightwingers are so dumb.
That's not what I said. I said that you cannot recapture the experience of Aerith dying for the first time. It's not a Zoomer doomer boomer anything you dipshit. The cats out of the bag. Her death just means "Well, I ain't gonna bother using her" now. It no longer captures this.
>Kitase concluded: "In the real world things are very different. You just need to look around you. Nobody wants to die that way. People die of disease and accident. Death comes suddenly and there is no notion of good or bad. It leaves, not a dramatic feeling but great emptiness. When you lose someone you loved very much you feel this big empty space and think, 'If I had known this was coming I would have done things differently.' These are the feelings I wanted to arouse in the players with Aerith's death relatively early in the game. Feelings of reality and not Hollywood."
No, at most you'd get "Oh that looks good." It can shock no one and it lacks emotion because it was designed to lack 'feelings of good or bad.'
Galuf's death is an emotional death and will be forever, because it's a hollywood death and designed to be as such, but Aerith dying only works the first time. Because it requires forming a connection with a character, and having her stripped away.
THEN WHY MAKE A FUCKING REMAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE
They didn't. They made a sequel.
Someone post the webm of Zack saying was that all of them?
I am the OP. Does that mean my spoiler is true?
It’s true that it’s a sequel in that in order to have the best experience you now need to have played the original and know what happens in order to understand the concepts and perils of the time-fuckery they add to this one. It’s basically the original but with the pacing ruined by the team resolving all the time paradoxes created by the final boss Sepiroth being able to time travel in order for them to have the same end.
STOP SAYING ITS A REMAKE WHEN IT LITERALLY HAPPENS WITH KNOWLEDGE OF THE ORIGINAL EVENTS
Yes. We've seen video and everything else. Well, there's still some misinformation. There's claims you can save all of Avalanche, but it's unknown if that's a mututally exclusive thing (Save one of Biggs, Wedge, Jessie) or an all included thing (Save all 3) I've only seen Biggs so far.
yes. the original events happened and exist in a separate timeline in the same universe as the remake.
A remaster is a reskin bro. Higher def textures on the same models. Remakes create use a different engine for the game. This is neither.
I disagree. That shock of
>Oh shit, the character I was leveling up is gone
may only be effective the first time but the emotional weight of the character actually being gone can still work as long as its well written. There's people who still cry at the end of Titanic despite them knowing every single line up to that point.
It means adding extra unnecessary steps.
Example:
>How to wash your hands
>1 turn water on
>2 turn music on
>3 grab bar of soap
>4 place both hands, and bar of soap under the water.
>5 remove from water, and rub the soap around, until its lathers all over you hands
>6 say the alphabet backwards
>7 do 7 sit ups.
>8 put soap down
>9 place hands under water, to remove lathered soap.
In this example, the music, and sit ups are unnecessary. You also dont need to say the alphabet backwards, you could say it forwards, which is much easier, and or explain how long you want the reader to do the action instead.
It does not mean "I dont understand, its too complex".
made me kek
>I don’t know what this was supposed to be in the original
It's Cloud mastering the Jenova cells inside himself so he can't be manipulated again. It has nothing to do with the time travel nonsense from Remake.
That is because the Titanic is a dramatized, hollywood story, with a hollywood death. It is specifically not what Aerith's death is trying to evoke. Aerith is trying to evoke a real death, something shocking, sudden, and leaving a feeling of emptiness. That ONLY works if you have grown and connected with her, and if it is sudden and unexpected.
If Barret actually died in Shinra tower, THAT would be a worthy successor to her death, because you don't see it coming, you don't believe it could be real, and it would leave, not emotions or notions of "Good or Bad" but an empty space where a 300 pound sack of shit used to occupy
Thats what i meant. Old sephiroth is defeated, nu sephiroth comes back, gets pissed off and go sephi fusion
He only sent one guy back in time in KH. There just happened to be 13 of that one guy.
That's not even more convoluted than vanilla 7
The game "Feels" and fundamentally plays like a remake 1st, and sequel secondary.
But in reality, when examined, its technically a Sequel 1st, and remake secondary.
Because of this technicality, its possible they might further ruin the story later, which is why ppl are upset. (along with making a rather stupid ending, which is mostly pointless if the story doesnt alter by a large margin)
holy fuck I don't think I've ever seen such massive cope
Last episode will have yozora crystallize cloud for the upcoming cross over game, screen cap this
Is it just me or does Whispers of Fate just organization 13? Is Sephiroth asking Cloud to change the future just FF15's final DLC book. Nothing original, RIP Final Fantasy, enjoy your new home next to Star Wars.
It's okay, you'll get over it.
>Sephiroth is all gay for cloud because it’s the Kingdom Hearts version of him
The pieces are all falling into place
oh please, nothing they do will make people happy. We're probably not going to even get a world map
I haven't seen them because they dont exist. It they did they'd be posted in every FF7R thread like the same webms spammed everywhere. Stop lying
I still cannot believe any of that but it's me being in denial. Why change the story?
People who played the original 20 years ago were looking for a remake, not a sequel. I haven't read a single discussion ever where people wished for story changes.
Those who didn't play the original will get confused. It wil be like starting KH from KHIII.
And you can be sure they will ramp up the bullshit and the final boss fight will be against Duolc, a dark heart version of Cloud from an alternate universe or some shit. At this point I'm expecting Angeal and Genesis to make a comeback.
>producer introduces time travel to BS a way to save his waifu
worked out well for star wars
that is by far the most retardation cope anyone alive today has created. congrats.
idk why ur telling em that, im just explaining it to the OP to answer their question.
damn even doomguy's rabbit seems to be alive
Suit logic: old fans are surprised that it's a sequel and are excited to see how things develop.
New fans are confused by the ending and go to play the old game (available on every platform).
>At this point I'm expecting Angeal and Genesis to make a comeback.
If you didn't expect them back in any of the 3 games you were deluding yourself. I fully expect Genesis to be back in Zack's flashback or sidequests. Angeal maybe not because they wouldn't want to pay Gackt money.
>while the next parts will purely be present sephiroth and jenova like the normal OG, with the potential of fate changing.
Nigger, they JUST killed the changebad ghosts, the obvious implication is that story is going to be completely different from now on, they can just make up whatever they want
Who was the first?
>sequel
its not ff7 remake pt2. fucking idiot.
These leaks honestly make me more interested in the game. Instead of trying to replace the original it's doing its own thing. Maybe I'll play it when it's cheap.
Sephiroth falls in love with Cloud.
Unable to confess, he is gifted by a deus ex machina (Jenova) with the Ex-SOLDIER's phone number. Never minding the strange area code, he immediately calls him, and is overjoyed to find out that he has a crush on him as well.
But, the next day, when Sephiroth recounts the previous day's confessions to Cloud, he only looks at him with a perplexed expression. After some investigation, he finds out that the Cloud he called is not the same Cloud he fell in love with. In fact, he doesn't exist in this universe at all. He is Cloud's alternate universe counterpart, who has fallen in love with the Sephiroth's own AU self, who too is blissfully unaware of his crush.
Hijinks ensue as the two strike up a deal to give each other their darkest, most private secrets in order to equip the other with the weapons they need to conquer the heart of their other selves. While the two chase their respective loved ones, DRAMA ensues as they begin to fall in love with each other instead and question the NATURE of LOVE.
I assume he’s talking about Eli Vance from Half Life
how is it coping when I'm not defending the shit show they released?
If this was a sequel and all this timeline stuff happened, I would applaud Square for pulling it off. Not only is it a huge subversion that nobody expected, and took huge balls to try it, it would be playing a new game again.
Also involving time travel shenanigans.
>Much to his surprise, the blitzball turns out to be a bomb, which explodes. The explosion not only kills Tidus, but also sends his head flying, which the story mentions still has the surprised look on its face. Tidus's newly decapitated head lands at Yuna's feet and she passes out.
Reminder that this is canon
>nooooo i don't want a remake you fucking hacks
>it turns out to not be a remake
>nooooo why isn't it a straightforward remake you fucking hacks
I mean this much should've been obvious to you as soon as they showed Sephiroth with the black wing. He never had that shit in the original and it wasn't until KH that it became a thing.
Really? I still haven't played Eternal. Does Daisy actually show up?
LOL @ dumb copefags with buyer's remorse trying desperately to rationalize this utter bollocks
Yeah bro, this has never been done before
Never ever
>Nigger, they JUST killed the changebad ghosts, the obvious implication is that story is going to be completely different from now on
I think you are overstimating what the party is gonna do now. Yes, the spirits are dead and fate can be changed, doesnt mean it will or that the entire part 2 is gonna be completely different.
In fact, part 1 ends with teh part leaving midgar with one objective: to deal with sephiroth. Not so different from the original.
Jenova is out there too. Just like i said, like the OG but with potential fate changing.