What went wrong?
>durr nothing went wrong it's the only moba I enjoyed
Well now the game's on life support so catering to those tastes clearly didn't help much.
What went wrong?
Robert Stewart
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Camden Reed
I'm not so sure what went wrong, out of all the MOBAs on the market I found this was the one that I kept having a good time with and coming back to.
Levi Sanders
Not enough female pandas to fug
Leo Edwards
It's the same thing that killed overwatch, catering to esports faggots instead of the people who actually play the game on a regular basis
Blake Allen
>catering to esports faggots
By making the game impossible to carry, casualizing the game more with each update and ending the esports scene overnight?
I swear Yas Forums is the worst place on the internet to discuss any game that demands a skill investment. You guys literally have no clue what you're talking about if it isn't a single-player RPG.
Justin Parker
Here's a detailed video about why it died.
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Long story short, it came to the scene too late, it has an expensive moneitizing system in Alpha/Beta that turned everyone off to go play other F2P games.
Lastly, it had a forced esports scene that didn't grow naturally and that bubble popped once they pulled out.
Overall the game is really fun to play for the player and it focuses on teamwork, but that teamwork also makes it so the individual cannot shine dramatically like a "Dendi" carry in a traditional Moba setting.
This leads to a samey feeling that doesn't fly well with hardcore players and it's also not fun to watch.
The game is good, but it will never "succeed" in the commerical scene thanks to all these marketing flaws that's necesarry to break into the highly saturated and competitive genre.
Jace Wright
You can't carry so playing with randos is like cancer.
John Cooper
Really good video. That interview with Richard Lewis at 22 minutes applies almost 100% to Overwatch as well, and it's why that game's gonna fail too. It's just happening in slower motion because of all the outside investment.
Isaac Hughes
removed tower ammo to make it more like other mobas
Jose Bennett
>>durr nothing went wrong it's the only moba I enjoyed
this but unironically
Jeremiah Carter
Garbage engine
Garbage controls
Tries to copy LoL but more casual
No mod tools
Expensive
Overwatch heroes
Carter Foster
Quickmatch and ranked can't coexists.
Henry Gomez
Blizzard can only make so many ripoff games before people get sick of it
Cooper Jenkins
They released Hots 2.0 in probably the worst state the game was ever in, balance wise.
It was horrendous. That was their literal last chance to be popular and they blew it with the Genji and Malthael party.
Nolan Brooks
the games on life support because they dumped resources into overwatch and shitty remakes
Sebastian Rivera
this
Bentley Perez
>can't carry
Clearly you don't play Illidan
Jacob Lopez
>the only moba I played *
fixed it for you blizzdrone
Brandon Miller
In LoL/Dota you can carry on literally any hero. Assassins, supports, junglers, whatever.
HotS just had a couple they accidentally gave the potential to. Illidan, Artanis, Genji. That's about it.
Luke Campbell
late top the party, people already have invested time and money on other mobas, there not gonna drop that and go to another
Tyler Walker
Casual BUT competitive
OCs
Lootboxes update
Oliver Martin
it's dead. No update since December.
Camden Miller
Blizzard went wrong, doesn't matter how successful a company is women and minorities will run it into the ground.
Nolan Phillips
They are working on OW. Which is also dying.
Joseph Morgan
It just came too late to the party to get a significant share. DOTAfags and LOLfags are addicted to their respective games and aren't going to budge. That leaves a market that previously wasn't interested in MOBAs, but there's just not that many people.
I have nearly 10k games in it, over 6 years from pre-alpha. I enjoy it despite some of its flaws. It's a shame Activision pulled the plug on it because it's not a "sound investment" but yet they're still shoveling cash into OWL.
Oliver Russell
You can get mvp on the losing team and your personal performance is what matters for who you get matched with in quick match. If you do ranked I can't help you, I play video games not work video games.
Joseph Myers
they couldn't hold their poke
Anthony Hernandez
DAWNGATE NEVER EVER!
Juan Sanders
>Murky and Abathur and their unique playstyles are stuck in this dead game
mirelurk chads it's so cold
Cameron Clark
don't forget Cho'Gall.
Best fun you could have if you have a bro.
Adam Ward
Came out too late.
Was too party focused rather than solo focused
Had very little variety at a high level
All of which was fine, until 2.0 came out and completely ruined the monitization method.
Lucas Jones
>overwatch
>dead
Just because you don't like the game anymore or agree with where it's going doesn't mean it's dead you idiot.
Nathan Young
I remember c9 left the hots scene after the first blizzcon (and they won) because it was obvious the game was going anywhere
Hunter Thompson
Esports
Overwatch heroes
Poor launch and late adjustments
Chase Richardson
>All of which was fine, until 2.0 came out and completely ruined the monitization method.
The monetization method is good for consumers though. It's easy to get everything you want from the game without spending a single penny just by playing.
Nicholas Bell
This thread isn't about Overwatch
Evan Murphy
Overwatch is more dead than hots they just have major sunken cost fallacy over it. Overwatch even started as the scraps of a failed much bigger project that took like 6 years of funding before that.
Gavin Campbell
NO BLACKTHORNE
NO ROCK & ROLL RACERS
Dylan Taylor
>when you and a bud manage to land the bomb skillshot
Shit was cash as fuck
William Reyes
It is dead.
Grayson Parker
You can carry in LOL, you idiot.
Ryder Sanchez
It's not activison dumb blizzdrone
Josiah Price
Overwatch isn't dead. Competitive is. Quick play, arcade, and workshop all have insane amounts of people still playing.
Liam Hill
>LOL
Go back to where you came from underage little girl.
Nolan Baker
Oни caми ceбя пoгyбили, этo игpa мoглa бы cтaть пoпyляpнoй, нo нeт, нaм жe нaдo oблaжaтьcя
Elijah Roberts
Play actual dead games faggots. I can still get games in Overwatch even if I played right now. I can't get games on AvP 2010 or Monday Night Combat.
Joseph Rodriguez
how dare you speak to me.
Ian Cooper
Blizzard killed the dev team and also Blizzard destroyed whatever good will they had.
Jaxson Brown
real
Brody Edwards
they banned me for calling someone a nigger
nublizz is so awful its not even funny, its not so much the games themselves but how they are handled - blizz always profited from the community fixing their communities and games, and they dont allow that anymore
its quite fitting they now go for the moblie audience
Liam Gonzalez
It went on life support because of BFA being a failure, Starcraft Remastered not reaching expectations in hype and OWL was fucking garbage. This part is just speculation but they likely moved the staff around to fix their bigger core IPs. HOTS is a great game but I personally believe the people running the team has no idea why people like it nor the cool things they're doing. It's evident whenever a major change happens. We get haunted mines and it's fucking horrible garbage. So they fix it and rerelease the map. Map is serviceable and fine. Blizzard cuts the reworked map entirely. Then there was Hanamura which was so bad it was removed in like a week even though it was in testing for like 2 months of everyone saying it's fucking garbage. They rework characters who were ok to suddenly fucking garbage. It almost feels like they have some evil vendetta against Chen. Now that the team is mostly gone they finally gave up and left him alone as this unstoppable killing machine.
What i'm getting at is the game is a fantastic moba developed by a team that clearly cares for the game. There's nothing wrong with the game itself they did a good job. But they're working for a company that doesn't give a shit with heads bringing in ideas trying to sabotage the game as much as possible.
Jordan Jenkins
NO! I'M A TRUE GAMER! MAKE ME!
Logan Russell
>my yearly reminder that mnc is dead
please stop
Bentley Ward
Heroes of the Storm is unapologetically Blizzard, the genre stems from Blizzard's iconic work in the RTS genre.
Nolan Miller
weird I called people nigger, faggots and retards all the time and never got a ban or a warning
the game failed way before bfa was released lmao
Alexander Nguyen
Oh is this just a shitposting thread? Dang.
Cooper Powell
Came too late so people already were playing either League or Dota. Which is a shame, because the amount of background detail/interactions in it is impressive.
Anthony Martin
No, by pumping billions of dollars into tournaments, instead of developing the game so the fanbase can grow naturally
Nolan Stewart
>pumping billions of dollars into tournaments
I remember this mid year toruney, it wasnt even the biggest one of the year but they flew 4 americans, chinese, korean and european teams to korea plus 2 australian, brazilian and south east asian teams (basically all dead weight for diversity) imagine just the cost of that plus caster and crew.
Nolan Price
How did HotS understand the appeal of Sally Whitemane better than WoW did? I can't believe they did this to her.
Jaxson Rogers
Because the HotS team is the last remaining scraps of Old Blizzard.
John Long
Is Sam Wise still working there?
Zachary Parker
>late to the party when LoL and Dota2 where at peak popularity
>showed the game off when it was in alpha stage and all the models looked like dogshit
>characters where more expensive than the game it's competing against, LoL
>near impossible to keep up with new characters with only in-game gold
>kept the game in closed alpha/beta hell for too long
>had to play several games with each character to unlock all talents
people will blame it on gameplay but it's failure is all because of it's horrible early stages.
Angel Roberts
Yes but he's really only ever done art stuff