WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

Standalone expansions exist

One of the quitting messages in the early versions of Doom 2 actually acknowledges that but they removed it in the final version.

But user, Romero himself says Doom 2 is bigger, better, badder
youtube.com/watch?v=p-KIS4Sk76c

>bigger
more levels than 1
>better
SSG is better than normal shotgun
>badder
the levels are all bad

imagine being soulless enough to think the super shotgun is just a gimmick

It is just two shotguns taped together

i know. doesn't it make your dick hard?

No because it makes the game too easy

yeah you're right it would be way better if you had to use the regular shotgun on big enemies. that would totally make the game flow better. every cacodemon, twice as long. it would add so much.
not to mention blowing away groups of enemies isn't fun at all

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The larger enemies have bloated health to compensate for the super shotgun
The regular enemies take like one shot to die from the regular shotgun anyway

was Romero high or on Xanax?

>the levels are all bad
Not the ones before Tricks and Traps

doom 1 had high health enemies. cacos, pinkies, barons, all tedious as hell to take down without the SSG
doom 1 and doom 2 both don't have perfect balance, but 2 is better

>looking at numbers all day
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lost soul: the level

Tricks And Traps is kino, so is Refuelling Base. The city level following refuelling is where the game became somewhat shit.

Doom 2's early levels are like Episode 1 but shit

pain elementals and chaingunners are shit

>chaingunners
good thing i dont play nightmare

The chaingun dealt with caodemons and pinkies really easily and the rocket launcher could deal with all them in a flash easily
The rocket launcher had lower ammo to compensate for its damage but the super shotgun deals practically the same damage without the ammo restriction

>that one level with all the chaingunners and revenants fucking you up while you are stuck in a small area
literally what the fuck were they thinking

but you can't kill a pinkie in one shot with the SSG from a distance...
this "ssg is a gimmick" theory seems kinda stupid my man, not gonna lie

Fuck off with this stupid meme, the levels are fine, with a COUPLE of missteps.
FUCK off with THIS meme about downtown being bad. Its a fucking good attempt at an 'open world' map in 199fucking4.
Plus its good for deathmatch.

>The chaingun dealt with caodemons and pinkies really easily
It's not that they're hard, they take a long time to kill, making the game slower paced
Being able to kill less threatening enemies faster makes Doom more fun, but it also makes the pump shotgun and the chaingun underpowered

>pinkies
If you dont have berserk or chainsaw then shotgun is enough 99% of the time
Also cacodemons take too much chaingun ammo

Romero barely worked on Doom 2, he was too busy trying to be a gaming rockstar

his head of a stick in the icon of sin was meant to be a dig at him from some of the other team members, but when he found out, he actually liked the idea and recorded the backmasked dialogue for it

>'open world'
No one plays doom for that
Either speedrun or try to 100% the level

Doom 1 also has a bunch of shit levels, but there the first episode was pretty dam good all the way through, just the rest of the episodes where not that good but that didn't matter because people just remember the shareware episode.
Doom 2 starts getting questionable level design before you even reach the city, and then it plummets to absolute rock bottom

Sigil best episode

>COUPLE of missteps.
If spamming a bunch of enemies in a single room is just a misstep to you then sure

Hes like that nice guy that has nice things happen to him and it makes people seethe.

Just play custom wads dude they blow regular doom and Sigil out of the water

The music they use in the background is great.

chaingun is the best when dealing with lots of low health enemies, the SSG having to reload after every shot takes more time, it can also be less ammo-efficient
i do agree the normal shotgun becomes completely irrelevant

They wanted the Duke Nukem audience.

yeah, but having a weapon that's only good for one enemy type is pretty shit
Brutal Doom does a good job buffing the pump shotgun and chaingun while slightly nerfing the SSG making the weapons more rounded

>brutal doom
>balance
bruh

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Doom 2 is the definitive iwad but the levels suck ass

has really good balance, aside from the railgun which I don't think fits in Doom

>redeems your city levels

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Eternal sucks

>has really good balance
>brutal doom has good balance

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>having a weapon that's only good for one enemy type is pretty shit
i think it's pretty neat! chaingun also works as a sniper rifle so it's double neat!

i'm not seeing an argument

What source port is the best?

burden of proof would be on you.

1000+ hours on doom 1 and 2 here. Doom 1 levels are amazing but is right, some sections feel like an absolute chore because of HP sponges monsters. Not entirely the fault of the shotgun tho, this could have been adressed by just reducing the number of high hp monsters in tight areas. desu infighting helps a lot but once again you need to have kind of a big open area to take advantage of it. In this regard Doom 2 had way more fun open areas than Doom 1. The suburbs is a good example of that.

I don't think I've ever had as much fun as I did playing DOOM2 Level 1 at a lan party.

Level 7 is also good but better for 1vs1 matches.

burden of proof is on someone disputing the claim, and I already said why it was better

They were thinking with their ASSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Duke Nukem 3D was released in 1996
>brutal doom
get the fuck out of my doom thread please sir
Zandronum/GZDoom for mods
Zdaemon for vanilla multiplayer with a fun af community
Prboom+ for vanilla experience but higher framerate, resolution and options
Chocolate doom for absolute vanilla.
I use zandronom for everything and zdoom on my old computers. I also used chocolate doom a lot in highschool because it was super simple to setup deatmatches.

aaaaand here comes the zoomer scum.

I don't think it was a dig.

>underage playing source ports in high school complaining about brutal doom
nobodys impressed

I thought Zandronum was mostly just for multi, what does it do better than GZDoom?
Anyway i've been using GZDoom with vanilla like settings for most things and switch to PrBoom+ if I want to play memes like nuts.wad and 100.000 revenants that don't run well in GZDoom

I like PrBoom+

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the claim needs to be backed with facts.

I can say you a big retarded shit eater, and you disagreeing doesn't mean you need to prove me wrong.