>Dario Casali Valve level designer: "We couldn't possibly do (Half-Life: Alyx) with a mouse and keyboard."
Challenge accepted! After being told it was impossible, a mere 5 days after its release, a youtuber named UnrealAcademy came out with the first "No VR" mod for Half-Life: Alyx, which, after a few simple steps to install it, allows anyone with a decent PC to play the game on a monitor with a mouse and keyboard - no expensive VR headset and waggle controllers required.
Neat, glad you guys get to play it Any playthrough vids yet?
Samuel Hughes
Seems pointless unless you can use wiimotes or psmove controllers
Elijah Jackson
>>Dario Casali Valve level designer: "We couldn't possibly do (Half-Life: Alyx) with a mouse and keyboard."
>Challenge accepted! After being told it was impossible He probably wasn't saying 'we're incapable of making a mouse&kb game"; user Since they've done a few of those
Lucas Green
Oh wow that's even worse than I was expecting Fuck off, wake me up when you do it right
Josiah Perry
I don't really care about playing this game but it's funny how much the VR babbies are getting assblasted by this
>NOOOOOO YOU CAN'T MAKE MY EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE MACHINE WORTHLESS WITH A FEW LINES OF CODE >YOU CAN'T JUST PLAY THE GAME WITHOUT THROWING UP, GETTING SICK IS PART OF THE GAME! >Y-YOU'RE POOR!
Connor Jackson
Looks like absolute garbage like this. Just replay HL2 if you really can't get a headset.
Ayden Lee
the first step should be removing teleporting entirely, not making it work
Matthew Sanchez
>the other guys are assmad >not me, the man throwing out three capslock meme lines without provocation are you ok
Levi Reed
>Looks like absolute garbage like this. >Just replay HL1 if you really can't get a graphics card
This. Getting the game to run in a 2D window doesn't change the fact the levels and interactions are designed with motion controls in mind.
Colton Powell
VNN defense force is in full swing.
Ian Foster
>Dario Casali What the fuck, he is still working at Valve? This is one of the guys that made Plutonia.
Robert Powell
why are you so angry?
Nathaniel Edwards
This. Indexfag here feel free to ruin your experience with a shitty hacked together mod. You'll miss out on all environment interactions, puzzles, sense of immersion and combat tension.
Noah Murphy
Another indexfag calling in. I'm glad people can have fun with this without the headset. I just hope criticism of the non-VR mode won't rub off on what people think of the game itself as intended. It's going to be very clear to anyone who tries this that the way the game is designed greatly benefits from VR. And if anything, playing this will hopefully convince people of that, as well as let them experience the story/environments for cheap.
Lucas Ortiz
My favorite is when those people come back saying "eh, the game's alright"
Cameron Lopez
>If I portray my opposition as capslockretards I can win every argument before it even starts
Henry Wright
this. >it's fun to play half life 2 on a screen that you cover the half up with and using a SNES gamepad
Leo Torres
>Misinterpreting what he meant
good job retard
Blake Bennett
I don't even have vr, and not gonna buy it unless it gets cheaper in few years. Despite that, the mod looks like shit. Not gonna play HL:A with that.
Alexander Reyes
>Challenge accepted! You did nothing.
Aaron Taylor
>dude rotate some orb such immersion VRfag cope is hilarious
Dylan Ramirez
>"We couldn't possibly do (Half-Life: Alyx) with a mouse and keyboard." pfft they just wanted to sell their shitty VR meme goggles. the devs are probably the ones doing these mods anyway. it's hit its peak with VR, they don't care.
Austin Diaz
But Half Life Alyx is a good VR game. Not a good normal game.
Aiden Barnes
I think they meant that it wouldn't be fun without the VR element, and they're right.
Adam Ward
>I PLAYED ALL THE WAY THROUGH ALYX AND IT WASN'T EVEN THAT GOOD. NO, I DON'T HAVE A VR HEADSET, WHY WOULD I NEED ONE?
Nice job deliberately misunderstanding or misrepresenting what Casali was trying to say, and blatantly ignoring the fact that Walker said that a keyboard and mouse mod was inevitable.
The point is not that you can’t mod from VR to keyboard and mouse, it’s that it’s impossible to do a game that can support both at the same time; the mod will necessarily have to change a lot of stuff and Valve can’t be added to do all that work.
As someone who doesn’t own VR and genuinely wants a keyboard and mouse mod, I’m not impressed with the progress so far. I want a proper mod where you don’t have to constantly noclip because of getting stuck, and it’s clear that we’re stjll a long ways away from that, but anti VR shills are too busy masturbating on “sticking it to VR owners” to care about getting an actually good game experience that isn’t just noclipping through everything.
Lincoln Parker
So long as you understand that this isn't how the game was designed to be played, it's all cool.
I'm worried that people are going to find the combat and puzzles too clunky and claim that's how it is in the VR version.
Blake Walker
It's like playing PC shooter with a gamepad
Jonathan Perry
Ok now open a door
Benjamin Moore
I think most people know that this isn't 1:1 experience. I'd say its best to call this a port. I'm sure that the necessary changes needed to be made will be made to make this an enjoyable keyboard experience.
Nathan Rivera
There's nothing wrong with allowing people to play VR games on a M+KB. As long as they're not judging the game based on that experience then it's all good.
Easton Sanchez
>flails his mouse around the door for 10 straight seconds >g-got it! haha kek
Zachary Smith
Guys, there's already a "Press E to Door" function left over from HL2 in Alyx. The difficult stuff is without a doubt the globe puzzle.
William Walker
That shit felt awkward as fuck even in VR
Jordan Bailey
I'm still getting a VR set and playing the game the way it was intended. Before I wouldve been on the M+KB side, but after watching some gameplay its changed my mind. It's supposed to be a slower, more immersive experience.
I'm glad more people are going to be able to play it though and get caught up with everyone else.
Jonathan Thompson
Man, remember picking on consolefags? This is what they felt like retard. Let that sink in.
Hudson Howard
I've already played the game in VR, I just want to see how far fans can polish up all the HL2 code in here and play the game in a new perspective or get Source 2 HL2 mods.
Aaron Scott
I don't know where this expectation for FPS games needing to be fast on KB&M comes from. System Shock 2 works just fine being a slower FPS. I doubt Alyx being a slower FPS will hurt on KB&M.
Wyatt Nguyen
this looks pretty ghetto DESU. Not even worth pirating it to play through it like this. I think you'd need amnesia/penumbra style environment interaction at a bare minimum to make it work. And probably a lot of custom scripting.
Brayden Russell
imagine being so dumb you bought a 700 dollar meme and have to justify it constantly on a mongolian quilt sewing forum
Looks like shit. I'm playing both HL:A and HL3 definitely in VR, thanks.
John Ortiz
>"Man why do you only face a few enemies at a time, I played 1000 hours of CS for THIS?" >These item manipulation puzzles are STOOPID" Smooth brained retards will play it and still bitch the game wasn't designed around M+KB, I'll bet money. And since most people can't afford/won't buy VR they will believe that being numerous gives their opinion weight, which it does not.
Samuel Rogers
The problem is only a fraction of the doors in the game are door ents from HL2
There’s alot of shutter doors, windows, swing gates and some sliding lock doors.
I mean with some modding work you could apply the function to every object in the game. But even then it wouldn’t be as fun. Getting on the floor to peek under a door, seeing a headcrab waiting on the other side, and then nading it is fun. Or the opposite, losing concentration, pulling up a window and seeing 3 enemies staring you in the face.
Also, just remembered there’s a puzzle where you have to navigate a valve off of a piece of rebar.
But 1000$ dollars isn't expensive? user are you perhaps poor?
Jeremiah Sanchez
Is this the TNT Evilution Casali?
Jose Brooks
Can you play the game with VR controllers but on monitor? I'm willing to try the new control scheme offered by motion tracking, but the whole strapping a monitor on your head is a big turnoff for me.
Gabriel Perry
>“As a result, what I’m confident will happen is that when people get that butchered version, and they’ll have lost all the things that we’ll have got from moving to VR, they will then understand very clearly why we made that choice.”
>but the whole strapping a monitor on your head is a big turnoff for me
you're just poor, that's a turnoff and a yikes
Angel Carter
The pancake cope and seethe circus has been amusing as hell to watch unfold. This mod and any others like it are really cringy examples of the desperation pancakes have to not feel left out and have the game on their deprecated flatscreens even if it means totally compromising the experience and disrespecting the developers because they're too poor or stingy to join the rest of us in 2020 and play the game as intended.
Luke Moore
I don't know. A lot of people in these threads give the impression that the only conceivable reason somebody would play on VR is because they're forced to. Especially when some elements like reloading at more effort than just pressing a key.
Christopher Sullivan
Reasonable desu
I think the biggest problem you’d have though is manipulating the camera. In VR the camera is just a natural extension of your eyes. I think trying to do it on monitor you’d need a third hand to use the mouse, and even then it would be disorienting.
Thomas Gomez
>Especially when some elements like reloading at more effort than just pressing a key.
press a key, the game literally plays itself
Jaxon Collins
Okay, how do you tack the controllers?
Jason Wilson
Pancake niggers should be expelled from the master race.
This is like watching somebody argue that playing Starcraft 64 is totally the same as Starcraft on PC. It's so extremely obvious that the differences in control and input are majorand that one experience will never match the way game was meant to be played that it's hard to believe anyone is saying any of it seriously.
Imagine being so poor you can't afford a console (less than the price of a PC) and need a shitty emulator to play a game you're clearly interested in
Adam Wright
Don't worry I'm sure it'll boil down to "N-no it's different because M+KB is the end all be all control scheme" The type of retards that can't bust out 40 bucks for a console controller to play action games citing "M+KB is more precise" despite literally any fucking body worth half a shit telling you that controllers are better, but in their marble like brain, admitting something is good at one thing is some sort of sign of weakness
Levi Peterson
dr coomer
Carter Jenkins
you sound a lil salty consolefag
Camden Richardson
>controllers are better
yeah, if its a shit port.
Adam Sanders
wat
Michael Cooper
lmoa coping this hard that you cant afford VR
>its garbage Still trying so hard to play it its sad. Hahaha poorkeks
Jacob Nguyen
why dont modders add SPRINTING to the game
Cameron Campbell
Case and point.
Parker Gonzalez
Imagine being so poor you can't afford to buy a game (the price of 10 Quiznos subs) and need a shitty torrent to pirate a game you're clearly interested in
Lucas Scott
post your vr headset with timestamp.
Andrew Smith
he's pointing out how retarded the argument is
John Butler
It's like being a consolefag who plays shooters You need software and hardware crutches to play shooters on consoles. Bullet magnetism, that sort of shit. It is and inferior way to play FPS. When gyro aiming was introduced to the gamepads, people were crying rivers about it being some Wii shit. But it improves aiming with a gamepad alot, and the result is FPS on consoles becomes much more enjoyable Yet Sony and Microsoft refuse to use it even though on a hardware level it is possible. People resist progress and change because they're stupid and lazy This is the same situation, VR gives you an insane and pretty accurate control of the game world yet people refuse to accept it, ironically, until they try it because people who actually tried VR would never deny it's great
So with how things are I'm surprised they just dont put half life 2 controls in the game.
1-4 or Mouse Wheel Selects all the guns
R. does the reload motion perfectly and automatically
5-6 Are the pockets for storage like Key Cards Syringes, and grenades.
You can play the game like that. Will it be as good. HELLS NO!!! but its playable.
I'm playing on a $150 WMR and LOVE IT! But I get people with disabilities and idiots can't into VR. E. grabs things like the gravity gloves would, pick things up and opens all doors
Charles Lee
That was pretty terrible if that's the case.
Anthony Walker
Imagine playing video games with something designed for typing
Colton Rivera
you can't possibly trick yourself into thinking you're actually getting the real experience of the game playing without vr, right?
it doesn't matter if it becomes fully 100% completeable, you aren't getting the experience of the game as designed
Jackson Collins
>people who actually tried VR would never deny it's great VR is total dogshit. It's an inferior form of 50 year old tech which fails at the one application it's actually suited to due to terrible resolution and poor tracking.
Now, playing Alyx without VR is completely retarded, because the game is built for VR and would be a complete cakewalk with traditional FPS controls. But that doesn't mean VR is good, it just means it's fundamentally incompatible.
Bentley Johnson
WRONG, I GOT ONE OVER ON THE MAN!! THAT MEANS I WON!
Aaron Jenkins
But dude, the puzzles where you rotate stuff with your hands and point at things with a laser!
Elijah Myers
>It's an inferior form of 50 year old tech Why bother spouting your opinions when they're easily disprovable? Retard
Carter Bailey
you just proved his point >The story concerns a fox that tries to eat grapes from a vine but cannot reach them. Rather than admit defeat, he states they are undesirable.
>You can play the game like that. Will it be as good. HELLS NO!!! but its playable. And it would be the version a majority of your fanbase plays because only a few have headsets. We don't need them saying the whole game is crap because the non-vr version was.
Owen Nelson
Missed opportunity to show him failing to insert the floppy disk first.
I'm not even talking about the fucking puzzles, dude. I'm talking about the combat.
What are you on about? Qwak came out in 1974.
I own VR, buddy. It's shit.
Hunter Roberts
>yfw IMMERSIVE DOOR OPENING GAMEPLAY only on VR(TM) >yfw thinking about all those poor peasants who will never experience the euphoria of rotating door handles
If what you're saying is true, you're still an incredibly vast minority, in that you've tried it and disliked it, maybe you've got some brain eating disease that doesn't let you experience it properly you're not divulging as to not look like a busted human being. Do know literally anybody that knows what they're talking about thinks you're a fucking retard and having a majority of poorfaggot drones doesn't validate your retarded stance because at least rich faggot drones touched the fucking headsets.
Oliver Murphy
I thought the doors in Alyx were some of the worst I'd ever used in VR. Maybe it's because there were so many of them, maybe it's because they were all retarded double hinged abominations, something about it was just awful.
Hardly, VR is beloved by zoomers who never got to try out Police 9/11 in the arcade. Because if they had, they'd know that VR is a direct step back.