Check out the roster and see how small the percentage of sword users is without FE. Not to mention much more uniquely represented overall.
It's FE's bloated selection and similar movesets that really makes it Too Many Swordsmen, making Sothis' line ironic when it's her series who's shitting the bed.
I'd trade half the FE cast for one proper samurai fighter
IT WAS HIS TURN
Unironically this, I hate being lumped in with the "all swords bad" retards. That seems to be what sakurai takes away from the complaints, too
Didn't you seething rostertrannies called Hero a "generic anime swordsmen" like last year?
Yes, and we shot those trannies into the oblivion as the Hero and DQXIS rose like a fucking phoenix.
Didnt stop people from bitching about Hero.
Keep seething. I hope Lyn or Hector gets in next just to spite you.
The problem is Smash.
This.
I thought most people bitched about Hero due to his large amount of rng.
Even if its fire emblem characters, would it fucking kill to change up their basic moves a little? even visual changes would work, marth, lucina, chrom, and roy has basically the same aerials and you see aerials the most, would it kill to maybe add more fiery aerials to roy, or make chrom swing down to up in his Fair, something to break up the monotony of these motherfuckers, kinda like ganon and falcon.
Before his inclusion you retard.
They'd arguably have their own moveset. Had they done that for every FE newcomer with just a single echo of Marth's moveset at most, the franchise would be more warmly received. It's the lack of imagination, not to mention visual variety, in several of its characters that rubs folks the wrong way.
That's not even taking the disproportionate representation relative to its success into account, but I personally would mind that less if it was like with Pokemon where every character is unique.
Also most of them have down special counter
No. The problem is you third party dick suckers who ruined Smash for us. You only buy a smash game and praise Sakurai only when it’s a guest star. When we got Incineroar, Byleth, and ARMS, you threw a fucking shit fit because it wasn’t Raymen the reject mascot or Doom man.
It’s sad to say that people only play smash and buy switches because of turd fartys.
You ruined Nintendo
Everyone with a brain knows this. Not only are the sword n cape crew bland and uninteresting but they've poisoned the well for potentially cool characters with swords.
t. got mine in the base game and doesn't care who gets in for DLC or future installments
I invite you to stand by this after the thunderous acclaim that Ridley and K. Rool's inclusions got.
Not to mention ARMS is not being rejected at all. If anything I'm pleasantly surprised at how many in the community are cool with it or even eager to try the game after these news.
>Not to mention ARMS is not being rejected at all
That's solely for the fact that they're not another FE rep. Outside of that, their announcement had close to no fanfare.
>blaming Fire Emblem
>when Fire Emblem has so many different types of characters and weapons
Swords, axes, spears, bows, staves, light magic, dark magic, fire magic, wind magic, thunder magic, daggers, dragonstones, beasts, gauntlets. There's no need to have so many swords.
The problems is disjointed hotboxes (from weapons) and projectiles that invalidates all brawlers. If it wasn't enough, these characters tend to be mid to heavy with amazing recovery moves.
This is what irks me the most, if Sakurai stays away from unique swordusers thinking that it's the weapon the fandom hates. Which couldn't be further from the truth, folks actively asked for Ganondorf to have one!
He would be such an amazing retro rep
Well of course, that only makes it worse.
Corrin also soured a lot of folks not just for being a shill pick but even more now because Fates isn't exactly in the fandom's best Grace's after all this time.
Incineroar was only hated because he was the shillmon rep + Grinch Leak. Byleth was an even more egregious form of shilling and even Sakurai disowned him.
Meanwhile the other first party inclusions range from total excitement (Ridley, K. Rool) to simply lackluster/disappointment (Isabelle, Piranha Plant). I haven't actually seen any outrage over an ARMS rep getting in. At least not compared to Byleth.
Sounds like extremely generic tolkein shit. What a bland series
Real talk, was anyone truly disappointed by Piranha Plant? People were more in disbelief than anything and the madness of the pick endeared it to fans once the initial surprise cooled off.
Everyone ends up liking a WTF newcomer.
I am tired of swords no matter the style and I am happy that we are getting a unique take on a brawler instead of another character with a sword disjoint like fucking sora or lloyd.
Nobody in Fire Emblem looks like a failed McDonald's happy meals toy so I'll give them that.
>unique take a brawler
>little mac again but with longer arms
>Little Mac meme
Play the game, it's free.
> A brawler with stretching arms and disjoints.
Yet another character for cowards who plays in a campy style.
Sakurai really learned nothing after Byleth.
>Colgate Little Mac's flurry punches is identical to Little Mac's Final Smash
kek
Nintendo picked the characters and if you're told to add an ARMS character giving them stretched attacks is unavoidable
Most people rejected his message They hated him because he told them the truth about Doctor Mario.
>That seems to be what sakurai takes away from the complaints, too
Not true at all. Sakurai has acknowledged the fact that there are too many FE characters. The man's hands are tied if Nintendo forces him to throw in a character he doesn't agree with.
>Le Sakurai le Terrie le Persona le he chose them le
I imagine Sakurai was presented with a list of companies/game series that Nintendo would be comfortable working with while Nintendo explicitly asked for certain characters. I also feel like it's safe to say that Persona was a Nintendo choice considering they clearly want the series on more Nintendo consoles after the 3ds games.
Switch Richter with Dark Samus.
>>little mac again but with longer arms
>hero is just like link but with rng!!
>terry is just like ken but with supers!!
>getting shat on by campers when the strongest characters in the game are combo heavy in your face fighters
>getting shat on by byleth from all of them
you people need to fuck off
Wolf and Lucas are pretty fucking unique if you consider their A moveset. Even their B one functions very different mechanically.
Also why Pichu as one with an unique moveset? Dark Samus and even Dark Pit could have pulled it off much better.
Dr. Mario could be pretty differentiated from Mario if only Sakurai cared enough to take him that road. But he doesn't even have his own victory theme tune, despite how ill-fitting the SMB victory theme is for him.
>knows his incredibly lame Punch-Out knock off will be another cobbled up frankstein that he has to hide behind Hero and Terry who're exactly that.
Least you're admitting it.
>Wolf and
No it's fucking not and you're being dishonest.
>Lucas are pretty fucking
Post your source or don't respond again.
>unique if you consider their A moveset
Not an argument.
>Even their B ones functions
Look it up.
>very
They've already patched this.
>different mechanically
All right, I'll concede that.
>Also why Pichu as one with an unique moveset?
Sakurai said it's a party game.
>Dark
That's true.
>Samus and Dark Pit
Moving the goalposts.
>could have pulled it off much better
It will be fixed over the year.
I’m still annoyed that they haven’t revamped Toon Link, plenty from WW to use as inspiration for a move set.
All top tiers can camp and zone or outright run away during neutral. Then on top of that they can combo.
> Peach: turnips, float
> ZSS: stun gun, zair, side-b, speed
> Joker: eiga (side-b), gun, counters, speed. And shit gets worse with Arsene.
> Pikachu: thunderbolt spam, speed
My point still stands.
Damn shame.
I see no goal posts moved because they're different arguments. If I'm given a choice for one of the clones/echoes to have their brand new moveset I'm not thinking Pichu first, whom I can readily accept as having Pikachu's attacks given it is its baby form (the self-harm mechanic is also fairly unique in the roster). I'd first be thinking of Dark Samus, Dark Pit or even Dr. Mario because their origin games lend themselves to inspire a wholly original moveset more organically.
As for Wolf and Lucas I think it's pretty obvious after trying out their A moves compared to Fox's and Ness' how different they are; if the A moveset makes up the most of their attacks, why shouldn't they make up for a valid argument?
Move Dark Samus up a tier and Pichu to the top. Like what the fuck would they have done with it? And the bottom row is the entire point of echo fighters. They are glorified costumes but there’s nothing wrong with them being their own character. Falco Wolf and Roy are fine too.
Dr. Mario needs his own victory jingle like in Project M but Mario's had enough changes to justify Doc's inclusion, I don't care for FLUDD much. You're mostly right about the rest.
I knew some moves were similar but this does cry lazy and uninspired.
What a shame.
Just cut the FE cast to Marth, Ike, Robin, Byleth. Those are the only ones who really should be in the game as FE reps.
>Sakurai has stated it doesn't matter how popular a character is, so long as they are fun to play
>doesn't include Takamaru because he's not popular
>all new characters will probably have a weird gimmick so the chances of a normal samurai are slim to none
Poor Takamaru got shafted hard.
>When the fanmade movesets are more exciting and fun than the rushed out frankstein Sakurai came up.
I'm impressed you made sense of that, it was supposed to be a garbled mess making random responses to your post randomly cut up
What a fucking waste having the best Link (MM) and not using the Fierce Deity mask for at least a FS. No, they had to recycle the same shitty move wich makes no canonical sense because young Link is not able to use the triforce on neither the games until he's an adult.
"UpB into Ice Climbers' SideB"-"Floor attack""Normal smash can reflect smash or alternate attack; the main reason why I prefer the Moonite misses is the ability to counter it with SideB."-UpB / SideB / NeutralB that is weak, but is as fast as UpB (I used Tweek)-UpB / Dash Attack-DownB that hits much closer to you than the original planed bounce; since you have to bump with B, it's easy to jab at an opponent and block their recovery-UpB / SideB that can be tilted to hit characters behind you and
Aren't all six new DLC supposed to come out by the end of 2020? Just six characters over a one year period and they can't do it. That they didn't make spend the time revamping old characters doesn't surprise me anymore, the lack of effort is just severely disappointing.
Heh, clearly I've spent a bit too much on this site to develop such a talent
No it was by the end of 2021 or early 2022 realistically due to the virus
This. They could also give him the slingshot even just to make him stand out a bit more than the other two Links. I honestly wouldn’t care if he still had Triforce Slash as his FS as long as he turned into Fierce Deity as he did it.
they were but a lot of them caught the coranavirus and died so now we're getting new characters who are still healthy, like arms man
2021. We will be lucky to have 3 playable by Christmas with the Corona going on.
Ultimate needed another year. I would have happily waited 2019 to play it.
i want Samurai Goroh with F-Zero GX music and Red Canyon stage
Fuck. End me.
I mean we can look at each case individually.
>link and clones
Has sword but specials revolve around his thousand tools
>ganondorf (kinda)
Only smash attacks, otherwise uses PUNCH POWER
>Meta Knight
Specials revolve around cartoon physics like rapid spin and drill dive bombing
>Shulk
>Cloud
The more swordcentrics of the bunch but they have unique gameplay plans (shulks monado arts and Clouds limit) so they arent just a "sword user"
>Hero
Same as link, but with a thousand spells instead
>Joker(?)
Kinda counts, but has other stuff like spells and GUN and stand.
Honestly the biggest problem with FE was Lucina, Roy and Chrom who are all "marth-like" which was already kinda boring moveset wise, Ike is also boring but not like marth boring and Corrin and Byleth are bad for other reasons. Robin was a fine addition and no one really thinks of him when complaining about fire emblem. So if the culling happens a team of:
>marth
>ike
>robin
Would be fine in anyone's eyes.
The only redeemable Sword User is Meta Knight
The Links, Pit, Shulk, Cloud are also gay as shit.
The problem was always Swords
I feel Crash is guaranteed but I struggle to find a gimmick for him
Wumpa Bazooka has five shots per stock or Crash can't use his spin attack too much.
you’re retarded then