If you call this scene a "Retcon" then you are very transparently a dumbass who has no grasp of Half-Life's lore

If you call this scene a "Retcon" then you are very transparently a dumbass who has no grasp of Half-Life's lore.
Eli's death means the death of the resistance; Kleiner even warns that if the Combine get a hold of Eli, they will pluck "everything [he] knows about the resistance". There is no coming back after the end of Episode 2, the Combine now know everything about the rebels and will proceed to crush them. That is why the ending to EP2 is so dramatic and sad: it symbolizes the death of all humanity.
With Alyx captured and Eli living, however, the resistance lives on.
I believe Valve always intended to revert EP2's ending, change my mind.

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>Using time traveling to rewrite a story is good and not at all bad writing.

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>I believe Valve always intended to revert EP2's ending
Nigga wut

Half Life is overrated. Who cares. It is dead.

>it is dead
>a Half-Life game was released 94 hours and 38 minutes ago
>dead
Whoa man I did such a big think after reading that I got a brain bleed in my third eye

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>Half Life 3
>Alyx goes back in time to Black Mesa to stop Gordon from ever entering the TEST CHAMBERRRRRRRRRR

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dead for you, vrlet. for vr chads however......HALF LIFE IS BACK!

noone else but gman time travelled and we already knew he can do that

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the only "time travel" was done by the gman. it wasn't time travel at all, unless you're a brainlet. the chronological order of the games IS THE RELEASE ORDER. NO TIME TRAVEL INVOLVED.

haha combine go bang bang beeeepppp

>not agreeing with the status quo means you're a literal nazi
I must have missed the Mein Kampf Let's Read series.

Keep telling yourself that until the writers corner themselves again.

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That's assuming they will repeat time travel BS in the future. But why would that be the case? gman used time travel to influence Alyxes decision regarding the deal

i get what time travel means for the story but it's either that or everyone knows what's going to happen in half life 3 since Laidlaw has laready leaked its ending besides it's been 13 years with portal writers now in charge. Valve wants to take HL elsewhere

>There is no coming back after the end of Episode 2
>I believe Valve always intended to revert EP2's ending, change my mind.
Laidlaw released the planned Episode 3 plot you stupid fuck.
marclaidlaw.com/epistle-3/

This bait right here

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It came out, only retard with buyers remorse played it to feel better and then started making up theories that have no basis in reality to cope with the fact that a retcon just ruined the entire story. Yeah, it's dead.

why dont they just go back in time and stop gorden from doing the resonence cascade

yea nad now seeing how they want to continue half life, the fact that laidlaw leaked it already fucks them over, what do in that situation? don't touch the story making it less exciting for the players as they already know what's going to happen or rewrite it to keep shit interesting?

Laidlaw isn't the greatest writer anyway, portal 2 story was actually original and lead to satisfying ending unlike epistle 3 I might be valve shill but I believe that HL's story is in good hands now

I never really liked Half Life 2s gameplay.

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classic Yas Forums, completely missing the point
also laidlaw isnt the only person who wrote half lifes story fag

Is she taking it up the ass?

>After episode 2 ended Valve already talked about releasing HL3
How did it come then?

you mean like they did at the end of HL1 and the end of HL2?
Face it Half-Life was already full of retcons.

You guys do know its a prequel right?

That's the thing though, I don't think it's time travel exactly.
I was talking about to a friend of mine who's way more into Half Life than I am.
The ending shows that HL:2 EP2 Alyx is the one that got plucked by GMan at the moment of Eli's death.
However, you're in the perspective of 19 year old HL:A Alyx and it makes it seem like Gman plucked her which can't be the case because then the events of Half Life 2 - Episode 2 couldn't take place.
It makes those other games not make any sense.
And when you think about it like that, it makes way more sense that right at the moment Eli dies that's when the screen goes gray and Gman says, "This is where your father dies"
My interpretation is that at that moment that's when we play through HL:A, maybe it's actually memories being manipulated by the GMan or a fake dimension used as a test, we don't know but at the end of that Gman forces that younger version of Alyx to make a decision that the GMan essentially set her up for.
She's played into his hands essentially.
From there, she is plucked a few seconds before the final events or episode 2, leaving Eli alive and whisking away Episode 2 Alyx.

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He's the sole credited writer on Half-Life 1 and 2. Only the expansions and Episode 1 and 2 had cowriters.

mhm, and we're talking about the ending to episode 2 you nitwit

Your whole rant is a mental gymnastics performance. Changing Eli from dead to alive is a retcon. COPE FUCKING HARDER, NIGGER

dilate

Ok retard

Its literally not a retcon even by definition. The story never denies the fact that Eli dies, rather it builds on it by using his death as motivation for Alyx to accept the Gman's deal. Try again retard

All of that can easily be explained by just saying time travel does happen, but instead of it being linear, travelling back in time just makes another timeline altogether where the events of HLA take place.

>it's not a retcon
It is. Look up its definition, faggot.
>I believe Valve always intended to revert EP2's ending, change my mind.
There's no mind to change.
t. OP

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>Shows Eli's death
>The only reason Alyx takes the deal is because Eli is dead and it will revive him
how is that a retcon?

But I didn't buy Half-Life Alyx, I got it for free with my Index set that I bought to play numerous other VR titles anyways
Literally no buyers remorse can be had for something i got for free
The game is fucking great, wish you could play it

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Its not a retcon, it literally isn't. You can call it a cheap solution to his death, or bad writing. But by the actual definition of a retcon, it isn't one. Anyone that says it's a retcon here is being retarded

at no point in the half-life saga does it even imply that g-man can time travel.

>devs: half life alyx takes place 5 years before half life 2

>HL2:E2 ending
>Eli dies, Alyx cries over his corpse
>HL:Alyx ending
>Alyx travels through time and saves Eli's life
>post-credit scene
>Eli is alive, Alyx disappeared
They literally changed the ending of the previous game, dumbass.

Retroactive continuity, or retcon for short,[1][2] is a literary device in which established facts in a fictional work are adjusted, ignored, or contradicted by a subsequently published work which breaks continuity with the former.[3]

Eli's death happens. It impacts the story. It wasn't adjusted, ignored, or contradicted. The time travel plot only exists AFTER Eli's death. Therefore it is not a retcon. You can criticize the writers choices here if you like, but using the word 'retcon' in this sense is objectively incorrect

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Well if that were to be the case, GMan would just take 19 year old Alyx, but he doesn't, he takes episode 2 Alyx.
If he could see the actual timeline and know that Freeman would be uncooperative enough to no longer be useful from the get-go he would just string Alyx along by threatening to kill her father and make her do his bidding from before HL2 even took place, making those games no longer exist.
And if he didn't take her at that moment it would make even less sense because she would have to go through all the events of HL2 without knowing who the GMan was.

So I just personally think the whole thing is mind games/memory manipulation.
If she wasn't taken entirely this would be a different story but she is physically taken out of Episode 2 at the very end.
Besides, if GMan could make new timelines willy-nilly he would have already achieved his goals because he can just do whatever he wants.

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But HLA's ending only takes place because Alyx witnesses her father die at the end of Episode 2. How can it be changing the ending when the only way HLA's ending is possible is if Episode 2's ending happened exactly as it did in 2007 when the game first came out?

>gman has only ever given gordon one specific order: take alyx to white forest
>gordon does literally everything that the resistance tells him to do
>gordon is somehow uncooperative because the vorts kidnapped him at the beginning of episode 1

He clearly takes both though. You 100% see Alyx be put into stasis at the end of Half Life Alyx, as well as Alyx from Episode 2 disappearing. The way you can justify this is by saying that the events of HLA only happen after Episode 2, and by travelling back in time the Gman creates a different timeline where HLA takes place. Then Alyx shoots that vort beam across the timelines into the future to effect the original timeline. And when she is put into stasis in HLA, she disappears from both timelines.

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how is it dead when it literally just came back to life you mongoloid?

We don't know jack shit about the G-Man
He's never even referred to as G-Man in-game either, only as "our mutual friend" from Eli to Gordon
We don't know his capabilites, motives, allegiances, species etc.
The character is a total fucking enigma

What HAS been implied about him so far?
>He has "employers" which is a very loose term knowing how he divulges zero information about his or anyone else's interests
>He likes to adjust his tie
What the fuck else

Would love this image if the glasses didn't clip through his nose

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unwilling OR unable. Gman basically says that because of the vorts Gordon needs to be replaced. And its obvious Gordon would never want to do the Gman's bidding if he can avoid it.

if you have autism then you are right

lmao I don't know how much easier to explain it so your brainlet can understand
half life 2: episode 2 ends with eli dying
half life: alyx comes along and is like "actually no lol that ending didnt happen ok thx"
the continuity of the game has ben retroactively changed to fit a new narrative

>RETCON REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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But episode two still ends with Eli dying tho? So its wrong to say episode 2 is retconned when the ending stays exactly the same? HLA never changes the fact Eli dies. Brainlet

Serious question, why was Eli so important? What skills/knowledge did he posses that no one else in the resistance had?

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>Jumps Gordon forward fucking 20 years in HL2
>Not the same as Jumping 5 years to save Eli.

>gman: lets look into the future
>no time travel

How does gman have the exact same expression as blincat

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nope. post-credit scene shows Eli, after the end of episode 2, alive and well, thus making it clear that the ending of episode 2 didn't happen like that. you are embarassing yourself. go take a nap, your low IQ brain is getting fried.

You DO realize there was a written Episode 3, right?

You are not THAT stupid, right?

Yeah, didn' t think so.

There was a tiny little draft written by one of multiple writers posted once and uncorroborated anywhere else.

>I believe Valve always intended to revert EP2's ending, change my mind

Then you have less faith in Valve than I do.

>spend 3 games building up the characters and world
>all ends in tragedy in the final moments
>how the fuck is humanity meant to pull through now?
>pssst kid it’s all a dream, don’t worry

And yet, there it is.

Gman travels back in time AFTER Eli is dead, then uses the fact that Alyx's dad dies in the future as motivation for her to unknowingly be hired by him.
Like I already said, the ending of Episode 2 is never changed. Half Life Alyx just introduces new story which build on Episode 2's ending.
You are allowed to think its dumb, or dislike what the writers are doing. But you are not allowed to use the word 'retcon' here, because that word doesn't apply to this situation. Go read the definition again please.

I would assume that really any survivors from Black Mesa are automatically at the top of the ladder in terms of importance to the human race and resistance because they have information about the shit that really went down
Theres honestly a lack of world building in some parts of Half-Life, such as, we don't really know what any random civvie knows about the events of Black Mesa or how much the people are really even allowed to know. Probably not much
There's also the fact that hes a big brain on teleportation

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>write that a character dies
>years later have finally have a story followup say “nuh uh”
It’s been fun, waiting years to see how they continue the HL story and this is it.

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They can't pluck his info if they destroy his brain, they didn't fucking make off with the body and they had all sorts of weapons around that could kill the advisor.

>knowledge of short-distance future
>same power as time travel
g-man can teleport and what looks like pause time - the same exact power the vortigaunts display (the vortigaunts rescued Alyx from the citadel explosion, and Gordon from g-man's space-prison).
there was no implication of time travel, and probably for good reason because unless the story is built specifically around that concept (the film Primer), then it just raises more questions than providing satisfying answer i.e. 'why doesn't g-man just go to [x] time?'.

>all these people arguing over the story of a series of tech demos
What a time to be alive.

I always thought Borealis had some time machine technology. That's why it was so important. I bet this theory was not so unpopular back in old days

>But you are not allowed to use the word 'retcon' here, because that word doesn't apply to this situation.
Yeah “retcon” doesn’t do it justice, it’s beyond that. There’s got to be a new term for such blatant asspulling. “Not a retcon because of newly introduced wankery” is too big a term.

>HL2:E2 ends with Eli being dead
>HL:Alyx ends with Eli being alive
>tHe EnDiNg Of EpIsOdE 2 Is NeVeR cHaNgEd

I'm 100% sure you pretty much know episode 3 will not be released. And draft for episode 3 was pretty much dead end. You can't beat Combine. It's simple. You can't beat them without some fancy tech. They're interstellar.

>Eli's death means the death of the resistance; Kleiner even warns that if the Combine get a hold of Eli, they will pluck "everything [he] knows about the resistance". There is no coming back after the end of Episode 2, the Combine now know everything about the rebels and will proceed to crush them. That is why the ending to EP2 is so dramatic and sad: it symbolizes the death of all humanity.
i couldn't remember if he actually died or was saved. when the alyx spoiler was shown i wasn't sure if she changed his fate, or if they were giving an alternative explanation of how he got saved.

story doesn't matter in video games.

By definition, it isn't changed, and that's what I'm arguing here. All I'm saying is that the word retcon doesn't apply here. You can be angry over the way the story is going, but don't say its a retcon, because it isn't. Oh and staymad retards because Half Life 3 is gonna be fucking amazing

Eli survived Black Mesa, GMan was in contact with him even prior to the resonance cascade in Half-Life 1 as he clearly states that he was the person that brought in the Xen crystal for the experiment. However unlike Kleiner or Magnusson who also survived Black Mesa, Eli has things that the GMan can exploit to twist him into doing what he wants ie Alyx