Doom hate thread

I fucking hate the new doom games
>slow af movement speed
>platforming
>weapon customization is kind of cool but nothing would be lost by having all customizations swappable on the fly
>weapon points, stat points, suit points, rune points
>rip and tear meme
>melee/chainsaw/glory kills
>painkiller/serious sam arenas
Serious question
Why does anyone think these games are good or even 'the return of classic fps'?

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it's fun

Its a hella epic game for dummies and teens.
Playing nudoom is the equivalent of watching mainstream news.
Its the Joe Biden of fps games.
It caters to this oblivious, hyped idiot type consumer who lives on buzzwords and inanities.
Its as if a bunch of has beens and marketers gathered in a room and tried to think about what the youngsters like and then just shoved it into one game.
Its the feel of the game and everything surrounding it.

The marauder is easily the worst part about the newest title. He's completely antithetical to how you deal with everything else in the game, probably because they had no idea how to make a "bad guy doom guy" enemy without giving him retarded bullshit. Everything else in the game besides one boss fight you can kill however you want, with whatever weapon you want. Not this faggot. He's cool exactly once, and that's when he's introduced. After that he's just a boring slog.

>shotgun comes out instantly and will cancel whatever animation he's in
>periodically spawns a stupid wolf that doesn't drop anything when you kill it
>the wolf also puts a giant stupid decal on your screen (???) when it bites you because you don't have enough visual clutter yet
>he's "defensive"
>this means he's invincible unless you wait for your visual reaction time queue
>this also means you have to basically ignore him while you kill anything bigger than fodder in the area
>when it's just him and maybe some fodder it's pure tedium
>don't stand too close
>don't stand too far
>he'll never let you damage him if you do
>get exactly 2 shots in when you pass your reaction time test
>his shield comes out instantly and will also cancel animations so he's impervious unless you wait for the "OK YOU CAN SHOOT ME NOW" moment
>this makes everything but the SSG and ballista useless against him due to travel time and low burst damage
>alone he's not a threat
>near the end they knew their cool antidoomguy wasn't hard enough so they throw him in at the middle of a large encounter for maximum tedium
>basically a 30 second game of Simon Says where if he doesn't say Simon you waste ammo and time

He's fucking awful.

But they are swappable on the fly, are you schizo

i fucking hate how far away each record is from each other. shoulda just put them all in Doomguy's room so i can play BFG Division in peace

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Its fun

>Its the Joe Biden of fps games.
KEK

the averge Yas Forumsermin either never plays the game he's hate-bandwagoning, or gets fucking filtered like the casual shitter he is

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Or I just don't like the games because they play like a mix of painkiller and celeste

this. sadbrained individuals who live to hatepost every major game release parroting the talking points of some edgy brainlet e-celeb

>I fucking hate the new doom games
>>slow af movement speed
welp retard post into the trash post tricks and tips instead, DID YOU KNOW a well placed destroyer blade will cut the sled off a doom hunter early? vid not related

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But all the edgy brainlet ecelebs love this game.

yeah, people are shitting on it hard, the cringe tier writing and story, when in 2016 it was natural and came across as badass, it feel fucking forced as fuck now, literal borderlands tier cringefest

gameplay is off too, runes suck, enemies and setting look off, BING BING WAHOO sections suck

fucking ruined, 2016 is 10x better

nah that's the normal brainlet e-celebs
I'm talking about the contrarian ones who sell negativity because they have nothing interesting to say

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>waaaah I can't just rip and tear

did you know double jump cancels all horizontal momentum if used after a midair dash?
cause i didnt and it sent me plunging to my doom a few times after i first acquired it
i really wish eternal handled it the way shadow warrior 2 did, where you could cover ridiculous distances with dash -> jump -> dash -> double jump since dash also moved you vertically a bit
playing on ITYTD doesnt count, with that the game is basically 'haha angry man go grrr'

I was being optimistic because the gunplay in Doom 2016 was so much fun and Ive loved this series since I played Wolfenstein 3D on a shitty Windows 2000 Me computer when I was a kid.

But you're right this caters to the same people who had #standwithhongkong on their social media pages but continued to fund the companies that are in on this filthy fucking business.

Brainlet here, how do i bind weapons to numbers? Cant sticky 'nade everything to victory

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>literlaly turned into rock paper scissors
>if you dont play exactly how the devs tell you you cannot progress
>lack of ammo

In fact I fucking hate this lack of ammo trend in shooters now.

Remember Halo? We had 600 rounds for the AR, 72 rounds for the shotgun, 120 for the pistol. I liked it, it was a first person SHOOTER where you had a gun and you fucking SHOOT things.

Fast forward to Halo 5, constantly running out of ammo, having to scrounge every 5 seconds for a new weapon that has a half empty magazine. And the enemy you just slew isnt carrying ammo. Its fucking annoying and I hate it. I predict for Halo 6 you will carry jiust one magazine of any weapon at any one time because then its 'zoom zoom gogo pick up new weapon and smash lol'

In Doom Eternal you start off with just 12 rounds for your shotgun. What the actual fuck lmao. And dont tell me to use the chainsaw, whats the fucking point of halving the ammo and then forcing you to use a chainsaw to replenish it?

It gets worse and worse, 5 years from now first person shooters will just give you the fucking gun with no ammo ever if this trend continues. Its just there to hold, look at and you have to melee everything and use grenades.

Yes you fucking retard. I wanna fly around with my stupid grappling hook and shoot zombies in the face. This faggot murders the momentum of the game every time he shows up.

Only Yas Forums is shitting on it, so that automatically means it's good.

wait for the green flash, blast him close range with the SSG, and have your Balista on quick slot
once you get the initial stagger, you can quick swap SSG/Balista at least 4 times while dodging in one go

That's 80-100% of HP easily. He's a bit bullshit, but not that hard

Records are probably my favorite addition to the game
I've spent way too much time in the practice prison while blasting some classic tunes

Someone got filtered by the mara

>lack of ammo

why are you faggots compelled to post some retarded, straight out non-factual shit every time a new game comes out instead of actually playing the game?

>trailers hype the shit up for the Archvile and NotCyberdemon
>they just pop up randomly in the later levels (sooner if you do the Slayer gates) without any fanfare
>most people just save the Crucible charges for them and skip the fights entirely

>spam cycling weapons
nigga that's gay

have you played halo 4 or halo 5? one of the biggest complaints from players and reviewers is you literally run out of ammo and need to either melee everything or reload the checkpoint.

because they don't like playing games
just watching e-celebs play them, finding imaginary things to complain about, then TORtanicposting

ammo management was a thing for the older titles if you played at a difficultly that mattered.
You are bad, kill yourself

>they just pop up randomly in the later levels (sooner if you do the Slayer gates) without any fanfare
so just like in Doom 2 then?
that's fine not everything needs to be a big deal
game is over the top enough as it is

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Facts? Ok, let’s talk about facts. In Doom 2016, the shotgun starts with 20 shots and with all maxed ammo from the argent orbs goes up to 60. Now here comes Doom Eternal starting the shotgun off with 16 shots. Guess what it’s maximum capacity is.
24
Barely more than 2016’s starting count. And some jackass on the development team thought giving it a full-auto Mode was a good idea

get corona and die

I'd say the same but you already got filtered, LMAO

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>what is a chainsaw?
>what is a auto-refilling gas canister?
>what are all the fucking ammo deposits around the game?

If anything Eternal did a MUCH better job with resource management than 2016.

There were so many instances in 2016 where I was with no ammo, and no gas canisters - which meant me running around the whole damn arena for the first 5 minutes so I can get a punch+glory kill or a canister or some stray shell or two for the shotgun.

Fact: Eternal's resource management is miles better than 2016 and most of the FPS's out there

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This is what the game looks like when played by someone who isn't a game journo or nu-Yas Forums.

gitgud

the real problem with low ammo is it was done to make you switch weapons without actually balancing the weapons to be useful in different scenarios
it's still just "use whatever you feel like unless you are panic super shotgunning something big"

I notice how there is also one really angry guy in these DOOM threads that tells you to die if you BTFO him with facts.

DOOM eternal haters are literally upset brainlets.

>Waaah, i don't like being challenged by new mechanics and having to learn the new aspects the game has.
that falls on you for not being able to use all the tools at your disposal, for having terrible aim, or both.

>he's not holding forward at all times while in air
I'm not sure I even believe you about the momentum thing but honestly the air control is ridiculous even without the rune, make use of it. there's plenty of jumps late game where you have to use every jump and dash and pickup dash refills midair even, so I feel like I would have encountered that.

N-No this isn't impressive!
>Posts a webm of the original DOOM where they just memorized the map layout and run straight to the end killing only like 4 enemies.

>Being bad at games

>resource management

I love Tycoon games.

Why is this game so dull? I played it last night and I had to force myself. I'd rather repay Max payne 1 or darkness 2 for a 100th time than play this.

>He's this much of a brainlet
Original DOOM has resource management too retard.

then go and play max payne 1

>the real problem with low ammo is it was done to make you switch weapons
Not really considering that there are only 4 ammo types in the game. What it does do is it makes your more powerful weapons (ballsack, super sawed off, chain) more costly to use.

I just did the boss encounter on master mode (the actual boss encounter is significantly more difficult than the later popups) and just felt the need to fucking punch him for my followups on the stagger. I'm sure it didn't do as much damage, maybe the blood punches did, but it sure felt great to wind up on that cunt's jawplate.

I kinda love how underwhelming some of his kill animations are, just disrespectfully short, like boop crushed your head now that imp has my attention

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lol git gud kiddo

>painkiller/serious sam arenas
and this is bad?

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Honestly if not for the unskippable cutscenes in 2016, it probably would've been better than Eternal. At least Eternal has a constant, uninterrupted game flow.

They removed any need to care for health or ammo at least when you got your upgrades and weapons.
Just so they could avoid putting any thought into enemies or level design. Any random arena will do.

Just walk in a circle shooting the balista at anything big while randomly switching to a different weapon doesn't matter which one for some smaller enemies. Spam your cooldowns for free ammo and armor.

Get hit? No problem my dude. Enjoy the one-shot protection and adaptive health gain so there's no actual risk for you, you'll be full without any planning of how you should be going through the environment.

That's it for the hate part. Just gimmicks to empower scrubs to feel good. Otherwise they did create a decent fun game but it has no re-playability for me.

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If you ran out of ammo in 2016, that was completely your fault wasting ammo or not upgrading ammo. If you run out of ammo in eternal, you just motor blade an enemy and you're good. Makes the game infinitely more causal.

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bullshit. There is a difference to pay attention to your health and ammo like in Doom, RtCW, etc. and being forced to do things in Doom Eternal.

>and this is bad?
Count the enemies from those 2 games and compare them to nuDoom.

I have yet too see any proof of oneshot protection.

Is this another meme like "the enemy A.I. stops targeting you if you're on low HP."

>>painkiller/serious sam arenas

But these games were fun.

Doom3 is literally the only good Doom game

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yeah I would love for the enemy count to be raised. that still doesn't answer my question. why are serious sam arenas bad?

Glad I didn't spend money for this shit and tried the cracked version, D2016 wasn't as bad as this.

this shit only applies on the game journo difficulties, you have to put tremendous thought into your positioning and cooldown usage and weapon switches if you want to clear fights without deaths on nightmare

Anyone who defends the lowered ammo and chainsaw is actually retarded. Them halving your ammo and forcing you to use the chainsaw doesn't add anything to the game, nor does it make it more fun. All it does is makes glory killing even less optional.

Not sure but I'm pretty sure the game prevents you from taking too much damage at once so you don't get absolutely nuked.

THIS. Doom 3 is, retroperspecitve, a really good game.

Wolfenstein 3D and Doom were the Grandfathers of all FPS, simple and but fun for its time.

Yeah, literal button press.
Methinks this one did not play the game.

It looks like Metroid Prime or something with all the platforming and literal Nintendo style floating fireball chains spinning in the air and all these point systems are lifted straight from other games' gameplay loops. The forced story is a joke, at least in 2016 Doomguy literally refused to take part in it as a gag.
Gunplay is a little hit & miss, music is good and the gore system on the enemy models is nice but other than that I think the game is pretty mediocre. Reminds me a bit of Rage 2 but with the meme marketing to actually back it up. Big fuck you to Brutal Doom for ruining the franchise with these glory kills.
Not my Doom/10, Bethesda can have it.

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Lmao go play E3M1
If you actually want to kill the meatballs you have to get the demons to infight.
This is true for many levels in the originals if you actually wanna kill most enemies. You could say they're also "forcing" you to use mechanics. But to anyone who isn't a brainlet that means good game design. Devs shouldn't actually put mechanics in the game that don't do anything.

the regenerating chainsaw pip feels a little like a bandaid on the ammo situation.

>why are serious sam arenas bad?
They are not and I'm not the user who made that claim.
But I think they are bad in nuDoom, especially in Eternal, they look like they took bad designed leftovers from quake 3.

Serious Sam (at least the 1, the only one I played) has less enemies, Painkiller probably has more but the game has enemies that don't move from their spot like the long range projectile casters, and the arenas are waaaay bigger, on average both games you have consistantly less enemies on screen in the big battles.

They are not, but implementation of it suck in both nudoom games.

you know it was like 3 years before I saw a video of this level of play on doom 2016. It must have really inspired some people to master it in the style of old high mobility arena shooters, and clearly eternal has delivered that experience again when this is getting mastered again so quickly by the dedicated, I think not only the existence of this vid but the fact that it happened immediately on release debunks the shitters complaining about the new mechanics pretty handily

>Anyone who defends the lowered ammo and chainsaw is actually retarded. Them halving your ammo and forcing you to use the chainsaw doesn't add anything to the game, nor does it make it more fun. All it does is makes glory killing even less optional.
>Nooo why do I have to use all the mechanics!!!

I know this is bait but it still pisses me off.

Sure thing boomer
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>Serious Sam (at least the 1, the only one I played) has less enemies
On what difficulty have you played?

>Devs shouldn't actually put mechanics in the game that don't do anything.
But they shouldn't make the game revolve around that mechanic just so it does something.

Well, it's so obvious, it didn't occur to me that you'd require proof.

Absolutely not. I played nightmare fresh start.
The beginning levels were challenging like I said because of lack of tools after that it gets easier by the halfway point I really didn't die anymore.
But that's always the standard cope answer from eternel-lets who got tricked into thinking they play a big brain game.
The was made for you to feel good any time.
Pic related, it's you.

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watch it, every time you bring this up someone will inevitably go
>UGH fuck monster arenas haha door magically locks behind you and you can't leave until everything is dead!!!!!!!!!111oneone THATS NOT HOW DOOM (1993) WAS AT A
well i have a question for these fucking numbskulls - what the FUCK do you do in og dooms when you enter a new room and enemies attack you? do you fucking run to the entrance and try to pick them off through the doorway one by one or do you panic try to run to the next area hoping to find an exit/supercharge/invulnerability?
because if you do either, you're a fucking casual shitter and should not be allowed to have an opinion on these games.
you stay and SLAUGHTER everything that moves. if you get overwhelmed, fucking backtrack to find extra resources.
>serious sam has less enemies
son did you even get to metropolis or dunes? serious question

What are you talking about? With some ammo upgrades and all weapons you can get through most fights chainsawing twice.

so you prefer that the ammo should be scattered on the ground and be a finite resource instead of having the fodder be literal ammo and armor piñatas?

OH NO NO NO NO YOU FUCKING SHITTER

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Grow up.

>slow af movement speed
Same as 2016.

>platforming
Doom 1 had platforming. Doom 2 had platforming. Doom 2016 had platforming.

>weapon customization is kind of cool but nothing would be lost by having all customizations swappable on the fly
The fuck are you even talking? The skins? You can swap upgrades whenever you want.

>rip and tear meme
>melee/chainsaw/glory kills
So what 2016 had.

>be so bad at designing a game so you make an enemy immune to the BFG of all weapons
kek

it's been ages since i played but on the hardest, I always play shooters on the hardest unless it's something like nu-wolf with its hitscan sniper enemies
post a vid for reference, like I said i don't remember, the game was fun with its jumping flying skeleton guys and i enjoyed it but its not like devil daggers or anything close to it lol

They reduce the ammo capacity and made the chainsaw recharging specifically so you have to use the chain saw to get by fights.

I'd rather it be like 2016.

>slow af movement

OP if youre gonna bait at least make it somewhat sound like you played the game

>Doom 1 had platforming. Doom 2 had platforming. Doom 2016 had platforming.

That is so wrong on so many levels. It's like comparing Call of Duty with Arma 3.

>NOOO! WHY CAN'T I CHEESE THE MAURADER! HE'S TOO HARD!!!

>no arguments

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>BFG
>cheese
Yeah, I totally forgot that the BFG has infinite ammo.

The "platforming" in the original games does not compare to this Nintendo bullshit and you know it, you couldn't even jump.
>so what if Eternal has stupid bullshit, 2016 had it too!
yeah it was gay then and it's still gay

The most infamous level of Doom 1993 is literally fucking Chasm, you faggot. A level so infamous for its tightrope bullshit that speedrunners literally skip a third of the level by jumping over a pitfall.

>They reduce the ammo capacity and made the chainsaw recharging specifically so you have to use the chain saw to get by fights.
Yes.
Now the mechanic isn't useless anymore. You actually have to use it once or twice in a fight instead of once per level.

>rip and tear meme
This is my least favourite part about this games and it shapes every part of them. It's like they took the 'the who cares about the story' shit people that used to take and made it into story. Yoooo dude he's so freaking angry he's like western Asura who would win Doomslayer or KRATOS?

Also the chainsaw/glory kills shit is pretty much the reload button, except it's it's canned animations are bloody.

>Serious Sam (at least the 1, the only one I played) has less enemies
stop playing on easy.
the master levels at least throw more shit at you, but like I said; the game would be a lot better if they threw more enemies at you.
I have noticed the collision with enemies can get annoying too, which could be another issue with the game.
either way, I'm still having fun with it, but it's definitely not something that is breaking any boundaries.