Chess

Chess? More like ch- shit

Because chess is far more so about studying and memorizing openings, different lines and other theory rather then any actual strategy or skill.

Also online is loaded with engine users. There is nothing like being a piece up against an absolute shitter only for them to make the stockfish move every single move for the rest of the game.

I'm calling bullshit on that chess bit. Please link something showing that's true because I genuinely want it to be.

p4, also... I study fuseki too

>Also, computers can brat humans at go with AI, while chess is destroyed by supercomputers.
You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The first Super-computer to compete against a Go player beat him 3 nothing. It took multiple iterations of super computers to beat a human player at chess, and it narrowly won 3 to 2.

>Shogi another better game, if you prefer a fair comparison.
Shogi is a variation of Chess, dipshit.

I'm italian, that explaims something?

still mad that fag dropped out of the internet

There is only one correct way to chess.

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You are comparing deep blue woth alpha go, nice.
Also, shogi has parachuting, that's enough to change the stupid fact that chess is too small and too much memory based.

You forgot to mention that there was 20 years ai research between the two events. At the time of deep blue go ai was completely baby level because it's a fundamentally harder game to tackle by ai.

>He still plays chess
LMAO

store.steampowered.com/app/314340/Chess_2_The_Sequel/

Didn't you just write that you don't? Or did you mean that you don't memorize openings because you call them "fuseki" instead?

its boring and doesn't get more interesting the more you learn about it

>I HATE having to remember openings.
Play Fischer chess, the one with the randomised openings

>he first Super-computer to compete against a Go player beat him 3 nothing. It took multiple iterations of super computers to beat a human player at chess, and it narrowly won 3 to 2.
There's like three decades of computer development between that mate, computers only started beating humans at go when neural network trained systems started cropping up in the last few years

Battlechess was pretty cool. I used to use the editor just to see the animations that were usually rare a Pawn taking the Queen.

Chess had been studied about for hundreds of years and there's been 50+ books written on it. Go has actually had a lot less academic study put onto it than Chess has.

Dakka dakka dakka

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That's not the chess mode, that's the Tactics mode. Still a fun game.

*Outside of Asia.
Anyway, how is this related to the topic?

I exclusively play Ur.

I like it more than chess actually. Throwing grenade into bunch of enemies feels so good.

Except there was also AlphaZero
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AlphaZero

Which was played to a draw multiple times.

>outside of Asia

The entire world more like. Go just never got the same amount of attention Chess has.

I don't see your point

>draw

Nigga, it fucking lost 28 times. A neural network lost to Chess. What a world.

TRY YOUR LAST PATHETIC MOVE SO I CAN END THIS YUGI

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24 times*

Jesus christ you're actually retarded.

>There's like three decades of computer development between that
>posts link to neural-network Chess AI
>it lost and drew a number of matches
>meanwhile Go neural network's have been far more successful at defeating human players

Neither game will likely ever be solved, I don't see why they have to compete exactly, especially when they're on very different board sizes, have opposite objectives, and the board pieces are designed completely different.

>be a retard that gets proven wrong
>"you're actually retarded"

It must be comforting to know you can make stupid claims on the internet without needing to back them up.

Checkmate.

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>tfw shogi fixes all of chess's gay problems, even first move advantage
>nobody fucking plays it, ever

I recently learned that there isn't even an American shogi association. Legitimately nobody cares about it.

LeelaChess0 dumpsters the best chess players and its not even close
The only way to beat it is with another chess engine

Imagine being this genuinely stupid.

Did you even read the page you linked? The matches were against other engines
And I still don't see your point
Chess engines beat humans literally decades ago like kasparov v Deep Blue in 97
Meanwhile Go engines couldn't do shit against human pros because the traditional models didn't work on Go's large board, the first engine to beat a human pro was three years ago and NN based

Calling fuseki or joseki openings is stupid, they have not the same weight on the result as in chess

We must implant our brains....with neural network AI

>Computer's are also a lot more efficient at Go than humans, where-as Chess players can still beat super-computers
Literally the exact opposite retard. Computers have been beating grandmasters since the 90s, Go engines haven't been any good until machine learning became feasible.
2016 was the first time a 9-dan lost to a computer in Go and it was big news.

Meanwhile for chess you don't even need a supercomputer, a 5 year old phone can run a chess engine that can destroy grandmasters. In fact at this point grandmasters only play computers when the computer is given a handicap.

>Meanwhile Go engines couldn't do shit against human pros because the traditional models didn't work on Go's large board, the first engine to beat a human pro was three years ago and NN based

5 years ago, actually.

>2016 was the first time a 9-dan lost to a computer in Go and it was big news.

No it wasn't, lmao, barely anyone even knew it happened, because next to nobody works on fucking Go AI's retard. Go read up on Computer Go history a bit, there's barely anything there.

Yeah, but it was against a Chess engine, not a human player. It was a neural network competing against a human programmed chess engine.

I'm sure Bubsy 3D has more possible unique gamestates than atoms in the universe too. That doesn't make it a good game.

>because next to nobody works on fucking Go AI's retard
Because traditional heuristic programming couldn't handle Go. It was big news for neural networks because Go is a much, much harder game to play for a computer than chess is.

>You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. The first Super-computer to compete against a Go player beat him 3 nothing. It took multiple iterations of super computers to beat a human player at chess, and it narrowly won 3 to 2.
That is as ass-backwards as you could possibly be, congratulations.

>my granny didn't hear about it so it wasn't big news
'ok'

>Because traditional heuristic programming couldn't handle Go

No, because it wasn't a popular game by any stretch of the imagination in the West, where all the major developments in AI, computers, and electronics happened.

Go look at the decade+ long gap between the first recorded Computer Go program, and then the second one. Nobody gives a shit about Go you autist.

Because it's a static, solved game.
It's arguably more about memory than on the spot decisions and problem solving because of the lack of variance.

Also I suck at it because my memory is garbage.

>Because it's a static, solved game.
It hasn't been solved yet actually, you mouth-breathing inbred retard-savage gorilla-nigger.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solving_chess

> Jonathan Schaeffer, the scientist who led the effort, said a breakthrough such as quantum computing would be needed before solving chess could even be attempted, but he does not rule out the possibility, saying that the one thing he learned from his 16-year effort of solving checkers "is to never underestimate the advances in technology"

yes, if you're a professional and it's your full time job to study games. there's no way you can approach it this way at anything below IM.

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Nips care about it a lot precisely because noone else cares about it. Just look at go, when Koreans and Chinese started to beat them at it their interest in the game suddenly dropped hard.

So what you're saying is that Asian's are hipsters?

I learned how to play Chess as a kid because of Battle Chess. Based game.

I had a demo of a chess like game where you moved spaceship pieces across a board and if you encountered another piece you would do a space battle with that piece to see which lives. The board was left and right instead of normal chess top and bottom positioning. It was from some demo compilation disc in the year 2000 or 2001. It was really fun but I could never find it again.

Anyone know a name or remember this?

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Guess I've been misinformed, so it hasn't been solved yet? I'm shocked that they haven't been able to find the solution yet with computers where they are now.

I should probably do some more research on chess then, maybe I'll enjoy it now that i'm not a pseudo-intellectual teen and enjoy cardgames.

>I'm shocked that they haven't been able to find the solution yet with computers where they are now.
When you consider how many potential games could play out by the 10th move, you start to see why.

>maybe I'll enjoy it now that i'm not a pseudo-intellectual teen and enjoy cardgames.
Cool bantz, it sure as hell won't make you any better at it though.

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Youse guys remember Archon?

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This is similar to what they did with a minigame in Mortal Kombat Deception.

I'll definitely suck at it, most people struggle with things they just start out and I'm not the kind of person who'd do naturally well at chess, but reading up on it does make it seem interesting, at least worth trying out while I'm in quarantine.