Best Character or best character? Sonic who? Encore mode should just be called "Try and Keep Mighty" mode

LOL, ITS TOO GOOD!

I think they should have given him his wall jump while still keeping his ground pound and spike immunity, but also given him a lower jump and have him go through knuckles’ routes

lol

If ray was playable in 3d, I would hope he would control like a better version of the wing cap

Check this mod out, he has the wall jump and still keeps the Hammer Drop.

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Looks great

Tails's flight mechanic needs to be reworked completely.

>mods fixing things once again
Thank god

Is this from Petit Hedgehog? Looks like it
>That Belmont tier strut
Fucking kino as fuck, damn.

Tails flight is balanced though. It's braindead to use, makes the game easy modo, but is also slow and cumbersome. While Ray's flight has more speed potential but is harder to pull off well and more risky to use.

Personally I think Knuckles is the one that needs tweaking, his climbing ability doesn't really do anything the others can't and his nerfed jump makes him the character I least want to play as and makes me groan if I get him in Encore Mode.

What if he could somehow do a spindash while clinging to walls, sending him up at a high rate of speed?

Knuckles jump never bothered me, since he has climbing and gliding.

It really fucks you over on boss fights

He can do that in Sonic Advance 3. This ability should be mandatory in all of Knuckles's appearances.

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Playing S3AIR with flight cancel feels unusually great.

This. I was all hyped for Mighty because I was a bigger fan of his character as someone who played Chaotix as a kid and read a little bit of the Archie comics which had Mighty. But Ray was the standout character.

I am so used to play as Knuckles in 2d that it feels natural having less shots than other characters. But having problems with bosses I dont recall that, except for Death Eggrobo in Sonic 2

Yeah, that's cool. Espio and Vector could do similar things like that in Chaotix

They should just make it faster and let you quickdrop like it is in SA1.

looks like he can't walljump upwards
maybe one day mania will have the real mighty

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I didn't even know you could do that.

You could make it like SRB2 where you hold down to descend faster.

Or just do what Sonic Chaos and Triple Trouble did and allow for mid-air rolling. Frankly, it should be a thing in 2D games by default. There's absolutely no reason to be left defenseless after hitting a vertical spring. Even Mario gets the benefit of being able to stomp on enemies after hitting springs. It adds nothing to the challenge of the game and is just annoying when all you can do is just watch Sonic careen into a flying badnik even though you had ample time to react to it.

The wall jump was pretty busted that way. I can see why they decided to exclude it from Mania. We could argue about how much better Ray is than Tails with his glide and all that, but Mighty's wall climb makes Knuckles utterly obsolete by comparison. It was the right decision, even if I wish Mighty still had the move anyway.

Wow, I didn't even know. I never tried out Knuckles + Amy. That's awesome.

I didn't even know about it until recently. Then again it's been years since I've played it so I might've just forgotten about it.

He does this since Advance 1, and Project Hero brought it back in 3D.

Mighty has always felt like the least remarkable Sonic character to me. I never got to play him in anything official until Mania and he was not really that fun. He's not fun in fan stuff either and fans are usually pretty good at that kind of thing. Ray on the other hand was fun, it was like the cape in Mario world but you needed skill to use it effectively and not just a good sense of timing.

>He does this since Advance 1
Well whatever, he should still have it in future appearances.
>Project Hero
It's neat but it needs levels.

I never liked Mighty much either. He was a rejected Sonic design and always seemed too similar to him (and his Chaotix sprite being a Sonic edit didn't help). Mania Adventures tried to give him more personality but now he feels like a ripoff of Knuckles instead.

Ray > Sonic > Knuckles > Mighty > Tails

>He was a rejected Sonic design
That's not true, there was a rejected armadillo design but it wasn't Mighty. Naoto Ohshima said Manabu Kusunoki designed Mighty and Ray exclusively for the arcade game. Kusunoki reasoned that in order to control like Sonic, the new characters would need to be animals that could have the same proportions as Sonic.

He went through some design changes before finally appearing in that game with his finalized design coming form Ohshima.

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BRING BACK THE WALL JUMPS HES SO BORING COMPARED TO RAY

>coming form Ohshima
*coming from Ohshima.

Ray a QT

I never cared about him before Mania all that much, but holy shit he's growing on me.

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>Mania Adventures tried to give him more personality but now he feels like a ripoff of Knuckles instead.
He's had a personality since the Chaotix manual that Mania Plus kept.

Sonic Mania Plus: The Art of Sonic Mania. Sega. page 6. "Mighty is an Armadillo with remarkable defensive power. His hard shell can protect him from attacks and projectiles, and when he curls into a ball, he can use it to smash through enemies. Mighty is a natural pacifist, but is sometimes forced to fight to protect those he cares about, like his best friend, Ray."

That sounds nothing like Knuckles who's a hothead that's ready to fight at a moments notice.

That bird deserves a shot, and Vector needs to be playable in Mania 2

>That sounds nothing like Knuckles who's a hothead that's ready to fight at a moments notice.

Adding nothing to the discussion, but just wanna say how cool and sleek Knuckles was back in his debut. Probably the only good official promo art of him (even though these descriptors are from the Sonic Jam compilation on the Saturn.)

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>girls
My first thought back then was "so, he is the Yamcha"
Jam was neat. Wasted many hours with those museums

I find it neat that they gave Ray his shoes from the Archie Comics instead of just having Sonic’s shoes.

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His design is the perfect antithesis to Sonic's. That Sonic 3 illustration is perfect for displaying his design qualities.

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Seeing Knuckles smaller than Sonic is kinda weird now, since he’s been taller for so long

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I don't care about Iizuka's autism on keeping them separate, I'd love for some modern characters like Blaze and Shadow to be in Mania 2

Whitehead said he thinks it’d be neat if they were in, too

I wouldn't mind Cream I guess.

>that suave looking bird motherfucker
I wonder what his ability would have been? I hope it was to do sick flips n shit

That's Max. He kept getting redesigned since Sonic 1 just like Vector but never ended up in anything. They should put his ass in Mania 2.

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He hasn’t even gotten into a game yet and he’s already cooler than Shadow.

Post Characters you want in Mania 2!!

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I imagined this fucker swinging his arms and trying to fly but just falls down shortly with his beak working as ground pound.
And they should use Bean's gimmick with bombs on him. Like, instead of spin dashing, he uses bombs and runs over them destroying everything on his path.

These bitches.

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>Should be Sonic, but more technical, and with more offensive tools
>Every fan game that even bothers to include him just makes him Knuckles without climbing
If anyone can do him justice, it's those autists

Maybe use cannon balls instead of bombs?