So my friend and I were arguing about Xbox and PlayStation...

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For me its the opposite. For me what determines the better one is which one has less bullshit. Which one will let me just put in a disc or download a game and launch the game with as little bullshit blocking my way. I dont want all these fancy apps on my console, just options, customization and then the game. No always online, no big brother, i dont need all my friends to know i just did 3 tasks out of 10 for main story, i dont want achievments popping up for both me, my friends and people in my area. I DONT FUCKING WANT TO KNOW FRED COLLECTED 10 BEAR ASSES!

Just gimme games and lemme play them, exclusive or not.

It's about momentum out the gate, and gatekeeping. Whoever is cooler day one will get early people to buy in, who will then have their friends buy the same console to play online with them who will then have their friends buy it etc.
""Exclusvives"" don't mean anything. ""not on ps4" or ""not on xbone"" do matter, but even then to a limited extent. But when you realize these are Cod/Fifa/whatever the fuck kids play these days machines, ultimately it just matters what everyone else has.

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metacritic is dumb. But I now just realize pretty much all of my favourite games of all time are playable on PC. Weird.

That because you have no taste, and 'majority' is probably emulation of old console titles.

Serious question though. What are great games not playable on PC? Im an idort. But the only games that jump out to me is Lost Odyssey. There are soem good ones like Spoederman and Bloodborne, but nothing amazing. And only about a quarter is emulation.

>console plebs still fighting for 2nd place, thread #2445625

>PC beggars think they are relevant
Bow before your masters pcbeggar, cause soon you will be begging for scraps from our market.

Specs do not decide if a console wins a generation.
Advertising and marketing does. Look at the ps4, lackluster games, meh specs, slightly improved controller (not hard coming from the ds3), forced paid online, but profited so heavily off Microsoft's super anti-consumerist presentation that people spite-bought ps4 for multiplats.
Wii U with it's far superior library flopped even worse because of Nintendo's hubris coming from the Wii and the assumption that if it's got Wii branding on it people will buy it. It had the strongest library this gen and it sold terribly.
Then look at the Switch, novel hardware for quite an expensive price, but great advertising and marketing and it's on track to outsell the ps4.

Also that ps5 render looks like something an autistic 13 year old made in Blender in 1999.

3rd place, Nintendo claims #1 console pretty consistently on game quality alone.

if you really gave a shit about specs, you wouldn't get a console, retard. it's only about exclusives

They are basically the same hardware. Multiplats will look the same, have 60fps on the ps5 and like 70 on the xbox. Exclusives cannot really be compared in terms of graphics so it doesn't matter. It's not like one of them is gonna have some exclusive feature.

Then you reach the same conclusion as him. If both matter it'«s a simple calculation.
XseX is 20-30% more powerful, SSD aside.
PS5 has 100% more exclusives and temporary exclusives (games that will eventually go to PC but only months or years later) considering Xsex won't ever have a single one in its entire lifetime.

I don't see how that ~25% vs 100% is a hard choice.

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Walking simulators will always look good

>Multiplats will look the same, have 60fps on the ps5 and like 70 on the xbox
Probably more like 24fps on ps5 and 30fps on sexbox.

Most people are still on 1080p or 1440p. Unless devs are retarded and downscale 4k it's gonna run 60fps for sure.

Most ps4 games run 720p upscaled to 1080p and scrape by at 30fps. What makes you think next gen is going to be any different?

>console pleb thinks I want his dumbed-down games for retards who buy consoles
Delusional

I don't think there's a single 720p game on PS4. The minimum is 900p and it's not upscaled (when you use that word nowadays it means upscaled by a console-driven algorithm, not the normal TV upscaling)

Xbone does have a shitton of 720p and 900p games though. But 1080p is very standard on PS4, with 900p being mostly the exception.
It's going to be different next gen because the CPU leap is much greater than the GPU leap, so it's be much easier to get higher framerates even in AAA titles this time around. Current gen has absolute shit CPU's so it's hard.

why do sonyroaches love pretending they're not constantly playing SHIT versions of multiplats?
are we supposed to believe you virgins sit there and replay GARBAGE like death stranding over and over?

>different next gen because the CPU leap is much greater than the GPU leap, so it's be much easier to get higher framerates even in AAA titles this time around
This is contradictory and wrong. GPU is what matters for games nowadays, CPU is used for less and less. Yes, current gen CPUs are garbage, but the GPUs are too.
They don't play the games, they just get hyped for what's next and ignore the latest dumpster fire when it releases and inevitably flops. I think the most recent one is Dreams? It got hyped to the moon and back, and releases and is trash and lives up to none of the original expectations.

CPU is still very relevant for framerates.
And yes both are garbage, that's completely irrelevant to my point. I was talking about their power relative to one another (which is all that matters). Next gen consoles have a much better balance between the two.

No they don't. xsex is literally using better hardware, whereas ps4 and xbone's CPU and GPU were equivalent, but sony used GDDR5 RAM and had a much lighter OS running, where Microsoft enforced that the xbone had to have windows running all the time and restricted parts of the CPU, GPU and RAM to run the OS and it bit them in the ass, because the ps4 wasn''t required to run something so heavy and could make full use of the overall system.
Now that that's no longer the case and the xsex has clearly superior hardware, ps5 is looking like a ps2 looked to an xbox. Expect notably worse performance from ps5.

hahaha these sonyroach copes get better everyday
the consoles are so in balance with each other that sony claims variable frequency as their benchmark and reveals a console with some 2smart4u ssd shilling in classic sonygher special sauce fashion pretending "twas just a dev conference" as if the toiletstation devkits werent shipped already (then again with how incapable snoy is maybe they werent LOL)
oh and they still havent shown the actual console compared to xbox which has a great heating solution and a huge heatsink aside from the bomb specs

Not at all. PS2 vs Xbox gap was much greater (and we all know how much that didn't matter at fucking all, ever).
Heck, even the gap between PS4 and Xbone is greater than PS5 and Xsex.

I don't know why we are comparing the two in the first place, my point was about them both, the generation as a whole will have 60fps as the standard instead of 30.

>the consoles are so in balance with each other
Nigger that's not what I said, I was talking about GPU and CPU balance within each console. PS5 could be 10000x worse than Xsex and my point would still be the same. That 10000x worse PS5 would still have a better CPU/GPU balance compared to this current gen (same goes for Xsex). Holy shit how badly can you misread something?

90% of your shitpost aside, PS5 must have a good cooling solution too considering their higher frequencies.

Remember how much good exclusives there were for PS4?

Literally 4 and they are not even universal for everyone.

I personally dont give a fuck about boring zombie cinematic shit like The Last of Us and i dont care about "Dragon Souls" like shit (Bloodborn).

Exclusives for PS5 must be REALLY good to consider buying it. Way better than TLOU or Bloodborn.

And i highky doubt there will be the exclusives of The Witcher 3 caliber or Crysis for PS5 to think of bying it.

Crysis is a shit boring game, and the rest of the series is multiplat anyway. Witcher3 was never an exclusive to anything either. Reeeally bad examples man.

What exclusives?
>so my friend
lol sure bud

Exclusives suck though.
Why would anyone want their game to be exclusive to X plattform? You have nothing to gain except being forced to buy the console you wouldn't buy otherwise.
Luckily it seems like the time for exclusives is over. Xbox already has it games on PC and Sony also started getting their exclusives on PC. It makes no financial sense. Sony and MS make a loss with each console. To recoup that they have to sell a lot of games. If someone only buys exclusives on the plattform, but not third party games, like most PC players do, they don't really make any money. That's what both MS and Sony have realized and that's why they slowly start selling their own games on PC.

You're right, which is why the PS5 is gonna outsell the Fridgebox.

You got so much so wrong.

Exclusives are good because their quality is often superior, since the devs aren't under the same stresses. For example why do so many Spiderman games suck (most you don't hear about because they are so bad) but the first exclusive one after so long is a banger? Because the dev had the time they wanted, the money they wanted, and help from the platform holder. Same for collabs. Japan Studio helped FromSoft create a new engine for Demon's Souls, which they used for 2 other games, and then JS helped them create the Bloodborne engine, which FromSoft still uses to this day.

ActiBlizz, Ubisoft, Take2, etc all need direct revenue from each and every game as their only priority. Rushing games and recycling formulas as a result.
Nintendo and Sony have their priorities set on brand image (which translates to long-term sales despite potential marketing blunders here and there). For instance many people still associate FinalFantasy and MetalGear with Playstation despite neither being exclusive for over a decade now.
Platform Holder's main revenue source doesn't come from 1st party game sales, in fact they could lose money on their games and still be fine. Their main source of renevue are subs (like PS+) and ANY sale from ANY game (CoD, FIFA, etc) under their store because they get a % cut from everything. The ultimate goal is to have a wide reach of people and they don't care what type of game sells, just that they sell any game / service. So 1st party exclusives are on average of a higher quality due to these priorities, as opposed to western AAA multiplat shit.

MS is going multiplat because they lost the platform war, that simple. They are downgrading from a platform holder (best place in the industry) into just another 3rd party publisher with a storefront - only difference being that they have a Steammachine as opposed to most. But as time goes by their focus will be less to none on hardware and more on the storefront and services.

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That's how it works in theory, in practice you get the same bland AAA trash everyone else does. Very few manage to be remarkable simply because most games in general are unremarkable - and there are much more multiplats than exclusives, so the remarkable games are usually multiplats.
>Rushing games and recycling formulas as a result.
Are you telling me that Spiderman, HZD, Uncharted 4 and Bloodborne are not recycled formulas?

imagine being the desperate faggot who typed all this shit out kek
copes about ps+ while completely ignoring Live which is better by an order of magnitude
lmao
also spiderman sucks ass and nobody in their right mind would play it for more than 20 hours but hey keep coping!

>Live
>Goes down more often than PSN since 2014
>Daily downtime all week while every other service soldiers on
Keep coping, ESL rat.

hahahahahaha holy fucking shit, sonygher LOL
you "really" want to talk about which service ia unreliable? LMFAO

They werent the examples of exclusive, but theexamples of the games that can get general audience excited and be somewhat fun to play. on daily basis for significant amount of time.

Type of games that are exclusives for PS4 are either cinematic shit or some niche shit. They arent worth of buying the console.

>ESL Xbox cucks still fuming

A decade of pent-up frustration and you still know deep down your $500 fridge is DOA.

Your meds, Barry
Take them

This is how xbot cope with no games?
Dreams = ps exclusive
Persona 5r = ps exclusive
Nioh 2 = ps exclusive
Final Fantasy 7r = ps exclusive
The last of us 2 = ps exclusive
Ghost of tsushima =ps exclusive

What does your shitty xbox have prepared in this year, ohh, let me guess, you gonna play old 360 garbage and claim how backward compatibility is better than anything sony has.

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If you tried shilling that pathetic list of trash as a reason to get an inferior weak console, to someone irl - they'd never talk to you again for trying to waste someone else's money
Not that theres anyone in your life who ever listened to your advice, thats why you desperstely shill garbage on the internet

oh great a console wars thread. i can see all the intellectuals posting now.

There is no "war", sonyroaches have gotten BTFO by the onex 2 years ago
Its over

Shoo turd worlder.

Xbox has 100% backward compatibility. The PS5 will have ~25% with the PS5

>Exclusives are good because their quality is often superior
lol

It literally never went down for me. Meanwhile your credit card keeps getting stolen by Sony.

Fuck off nigger.

1 euro.

Show me the game pass on your PS4?

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Imagine thinking FF7 will remain PS exclusive.

>He doesn't know

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Plus the Xbox and 360, all that makes it 100%.

>Xbox cuck maffs

So why do Yas Forums discredit xbox exclusive because they're on PC even though sony doing the samething?

It's a cope mechanism.

The real redpill is that by going either PS4 or Xbone you're missing out on games, but by getting PC you get both.

Thing is, the more popular system gets more dev time put tot it. If it's more powerful it means the other system gets worse running multiplats (even if only marginal), and it will feed into the cycle. We saw this with xbone/ps4. It took a mid gen upgrade for xbox to stop having games run significantly worse, or at lower res.

But if the lower spec system is more popular, then it could mean the xbox is 100x more powerful, it likely won't see benefit from it as they've optimized for the other hardware foremost, as it's where most of their return will be. Exclusives are important around launch, and shortly after, as with better exclusives, people will be more inclined to go for your system. If they go for your system, it's much less likely they leave, and if they don't leave they'll obviously buy shit for your platform.

PS4 devs try 100 most wanted games 95% of them work.
Xbox devs need 100 000 hours just to find a 1000 working titles from every console released and that is including titles that already are backwards compatibile.

the new xbox is gonna make most pc gamers look like f2potato farmers if the oneX doesnt already do that

if you sit 8 feet from your 55" 4k tv then you wont notice the difference

>Port of a three year old game is the same as Uncle Phil dumping everything on PC day one because Xcucks don't buy games
You've been trying that line since 2017. It hasn't worked for three years.

That's the thing both microsoft and sony been putting their games on PC more so microsoft than sony

This is made up but anyway, you can have a console with the power of all NASA's computers put together and it will still be a paper weight if it has no games to play. So obviously exclusives are what matter. Especially because in reality, the difference in power is not even massive.

tpbp

>he doesn't exclusively play milsims and civilization building strategy games.

Sony's exclusives are garbage, that's why.