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>Melee
Project+ isn't Melee though. You'd know this if you played a few matches of it.

>still no Mr. Incredible

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Does it have more Fire Emblem yet?

no, and it probably won't because the devs are faggots

>30 fps
I'll stick with P+ and CE.

SSF2 is honestly a harder game to be good at than PM and severely underrated

no, and it probably won't because the devs are based

You can't claim that when you aren't good at either. Try gitting gud instead of dreaming, bitch boy.

>have an extremely polished fangame where you have complete free reign over the roster
>only add in B-tier veterans and some of the most cookie cutter newcomers possible
Crusade might not be as polished but it kicks SSF2's shit in when it comes to the roster.

Rayman is like nothing in any other smash game with that ridiculous plum move

I can zero to death people with like 6 characters in PM im fine at the game, not my fault i lived in socal so I had to compete against shit like chaos and ipk at locals

>no Little Mac

Fuck this game

>Crusade might not be as polished but it kicks SSF2's shit in when it comes to the roster.
It's mostly the same roster

I think Rayman was one of their better choices even if he was still a bit on the boring side. When I talk shit about SSF2's inclusions I'm more talking about things like
>adding in the clones even though spriting means it can take almost as much effort as with a new character
>adding in lucario despite there being literally hundreds of infinitely more interesting pokemon including those that are already in smash
>adding in such predictable choices that SSF2 outright got cucked out of simon being a new character for them
>not only missing big characters like king dedede and ganondorf but very few of the veterans that are there have any particularly notable tweaks or overhauls that could easily be done to make the character more enjoyable. Samus is a big offender here.
I understand wanting to make a fangame that feels at least kinda authentic, but squandering the freedom to get really creative with just really disappoints me. Even Ultimate added Piranha Plant of all fucking things.

Crusade is what happens when you make a Smash fangame entirely out of rosterfagging. Everything about the game is unpolished and the game is completely killed by a lack of content. Even the stage selection is pretty poor. The big roster is about all it has, but even in that there's still weird inclusions mixed with bad omissions like not having Zelda but fucking Tingle is in. Dedede's gone here too, but Gooey is there for some reason. Mach Rider is in just because, with a moveset that barely reflects his game at all. Waluigi, Ashley, and Porky because may as well cater to series checklist rosterfags since that's all this game knows how to do.

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>Anime characters
>Based
I want to play anime I play an anime fighter

>clones
we have luigi who is different enough, falco beacuse of muh melee and mango fans and pichu who is very different in ssf2. Clones/Echos are not a problem
>lucario
definitly my least favorite character in the game right now. designed by refurin, hes overtuned as shit like all ref characters, that massive fucking furfag.
>predictable choices/simon
I'm not sure what you mean by this, but they were working on simon before nintendo announced him and announced him less than a week after nintendo did, which was really just unfortunate for them. They have had Dracula's Castle as a stage in the game for years and I think thats a big part of why they added simon. (I love dracula's castle, and after it being removed from PM I love that it still exists here) That being said I dislike Simon for his 'for glory link' playstyle of mostly projectile camping until going in is free.
>dedede and ganon
I agree that the biggest gap in SSF2's roster is a lack of heavy characters.
>vetran's don't have anything intresting
this i completely disagree with. Samus for example, feels almost completely different, having techs like float canceling (RIP to automatic morphslides though) Link has Bomb Arrows. Pacman was put into SSF2 so he isn't drowned out by a massive roster like in tr4sh and smUsh. Pichu is decloned. SSF2 is also the only smash game since melee to not be afraid of puff being decent. Some of the new characters have fucking fantastic designs too, like Sora (though I miss his old groundgame before his resprite) and Goku ( who is by far the best balanced version of goku you will find in a smash game)

There is a lot of overlap, but nearly all of SSF2's newer inclusions have been in Crusade for years. Hell, out of the six characters SSF2 just added Simon is the only one that wasn't in Crusade.
Crusade and its roster still has its issues, I won't deny it. I'm just pointing out that it uses the fact its fangame to its advantage instead of just trying to make a regular Smash game, and at least conceptually is far better than SSF2's.
I more dislike clones for the fact they're being worked on at all. At least the official smash games can justify it through them being basic model swaps with minimal effort, but in a sprite based game it can require nearly as much effort as making sprites for a wholly original character. Decloning them isn't really going to do much for it at that point.
When I say predictable characters I more mean just them picking characters that get put onto every "I expect this character to be into Smash" list. I'm fine with them existing, especially when polished, but having so many of them makes the roster feel really bland over all. Even the official games add at least the occasional oddball to mix things up. Sandbag is a step in the right direction.
When I said veteran changes I more meant ones on the bigger end, like what they did with Wario or (unintentionally) Megaman. They don't have to turn the characters into completely different ones of course, but just having some new moves or specials would at least help to spice up the characters they're adding. I do like how the new characters play though. I definitely wasn't having any issue with their designs.

>i responded to a crusade fag
I was so hyped to try your version of shadow and even though your game has wavedashing, its fucking dogshit.

enjoy playing on tuungle instead of having an online lobby in the client

Fuck SSF2, Fuck Crusade, Fuck All of it.
LXP for life.

>crusadefag
SSF2 is a better and more polished game. My argument is that they refuse to deviate to adding more interesting or unusual characters besides just Sandbag, who was just a joke character.

Rayman is a pretty odd ball character

Waluigi was added beacuse of fan backlash to simon and his moveset has a reasonable number of unique mechanics

Krystal's Moveset implimentation is pretty odd

Lucario may be gay as hell but he was a free bonus

Black Mage is one of the weirdest smash characters ever, though its been a long fucking time since they added him.

LXP is worse than Cobalt Legacy and Cobalt Legacy is shit since they dropped Shulk and made Shadow into more of a Shadow Clone

whats the point of LXP without Knuckles and Lyn and Cloud and Little Mac? Why not go full hog? Now we have project + splitting the melee community even more.

Can we all just say we hate how shattered the real smash community is?

I forgot about Black Mage which is funny because its my favorite character in the game.

**shadow into more of a sonic clone

I AM STILL REALLY SALTY ABOUT THEM REMOVING SHULK THOUGH

ALSO COBALT LEGACY HAS MORE FUCKING FIRE EMBLEM THAN smUSH REEEE

LXP had some neat ideas, especially in their dev channels. Autistic ideas yeah but at least it would of been proper unlike Cobalt. I hate all those faggy mods that throw tons of shit together without trying to make them flow.

Cobalt was the only mod brave enough to put in the forbidden four and to backport tr4sh characters ( they had cloud, ryu, mac, shulk and someone else I forget whomst) so it was objectively the best PM mod.

Also half of whats getting added to LXP these days is just ported from cobalt after they stole its dev

It's moreso the Forbidden three at this point, Knuckles is fair game.
Hoping some autist or ex-PM devs finish up Isaac and Lyn properly some day.

Lyn is pretty done. Issac and Sami need work though.

>Lyn is pretty done.
I'm gonna need some sauce, brother.
Show me the proof.

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honestly the anime characters might as well just be FE oc's, they belong there just as much

I played her on the leaked 3.7 or whatever patch when she was overtuned, and played her when she got nerfed. Some people have said her animations need work but she was a fully functioning fighter like 3 years ago and not that bad with her arrows heavily nerfed, holy fuck they were broken in the first patch.

Ichigo is nothing special besides having really nice wavelands, but naruto and luffy have fucking great movesets and goku is really well balanced compared to every other version of goku you can download and put in a smash game.

Only build including the forbidden 4 I ever played was what was it called? PM CC? Lyn was working but didn't feel nearly as complete as Knuckles, not to mention that annoying sound of her putting away the sword every action.
Has anyone fixed that yet?

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>Now we have project + splitting the melee community even more.
Are there really people that don't like it? I'm a 64 player, but even I'd argue P+ is the best Smash game right now. Shit just feels real smooth to play.

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I haven't tried P+ even though I've been in their discord forever and I'm not sure I want to, their first goal as a design team was to nerf the shit out of charizard (now he has thunder punch? Janky) and they are big pussys for not having knuckles

>and they are big pussys for not having knuckles
user...

Okay, well I guess that bitching was effective

changing my dragon's jab is still big gay though and I'd still rather play legacy whatever

>their first goal as a design team was to nerf the shit out of charizard (now he has thunder punch? Janky)
Thunderpunch is just his side B with a slight stun effect, and he's sitting comfortably at mid-tier.

>and they are big pussys for not having knuckles
They added him on Tuesday.

Project Plus is dogshit, go play Geno in tournament you fucking faggot. Cobalt gang for life.

IMAGINE STARTING A NEW BALANCE PATCH AND NOT BEGINNING WITH MELEE FOX

Can't play your busted mess if it isn't the tournament standard lol. You dweebs can have the boiler room if the Sm4shfags haven't already taken it up.

Everyone's more concerned about Wolf and Metaknight.

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yeah lets split the already dying PM tournoment scene in half by making a new version, and then cuck your team's original design ethos( I was told it would never happen) by finally adding Knuckles in a desperate attempt to leech players.

What colossal fucking faggots.

>P+ team steals bowser's fireballs from smash flash
>P+ team steals the smash flash thread
pottery

There'd be more incentive to play CL if there was an active effort to actually balance shit than just cobble everything together from different authors. The only reason Yu got removed was because he was only 15% finished rather than the usual 80% like Lyn, Toad, and Issac.

They made alot of bad design choices like 3 years ago too. Like changing chrom from being a character who switched between two weapons into only having one weapon ( and as I mentioned earlier in the thread, removing shulk and making shadow into even more of a clone)

base PM has wario man and shit, who actually cares about balance. if your friend is whoring someone who is that broken just tell them to stop being a faggot. Whats important was it was the only mod with the nuts required to have little mac and lyn

No,way too much FE and other shitty Characters

You'll always have Yas Forums threads to shit up with your rosterfagging and netplay.

Favorite alt costume?

>Try out Lucario at Smashcon
>The most fun I've had with the character in any smash game official or otherwise he's been in since messing with 4's custom moves

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>wow I have a fireball thats way too fast and really overpowered frame data
fuck off anime girl you're shit

>meta knight is at top tier, but not SS tier
they did a good job. why is kirby always low tier in smash games besides 64 though?

Why's Black Mage gotta be trapped in a game with fucking Goku

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If you hate Goku shouldn't you be excited to stab him with your knife?

>complaining about goku
shit taste detected, if anything goku belongs in smash ultimate. the real outsiders are naruto and luffy

>not ichigo

I'm pretty far from a weeb but I like the anime characters in SSF2, they generate alot of new community members. Luffy has a really unique moveset as a ranged grappler with a unique recovery, and Naruto's moveset is also very unique with his clones (though like all ranged characters he can be fucking annoying in online multiplayer)

It's less I hate him and more I aggressively don't want him anywhere near Super Smash Bros, though I think SSF2 in general is a bevy of bad decisions (missing SSB64 characters, final smashes removed in an update, Bomberman/Lloyd/Bandana Dee/Jump characters/Chibi Robo, Sora's playstyle sucking, Simon's up-B) mixed with good ones (working online for a Flash fangame, Black Mage/Project M Wario/had Mega Man before Smash 4/Sora, final smashes are being reintroduced later)

I think he's damned to be low tier by design with his poor mobility and no one wants to majorly fix it in fear of making another Jigglypuff.

we have every smash 64 character lol

How do you hate sora's playstyle? Hes my favorite character in the game by a large margin, even after his resprite and nerfs.

The balance decisions in general are kind of sketchy, at least they are coming more often this year.

also literally who cares about final smashes. do you play 3 stocks on FD only too?