The Great Debate
Oblivion for me, maybe it’s typical nostalgia of playing the original versus the sequel but there’s something about Oblivion being so emotive and beautiful. Skyrim was a good follow up and great in its own rights but lacked.
If I remember rightly you can my ride horses in Skyrim too, which seems a bit ridiculous given how large the map is, I know you can fast travel on the horse and carts but that ruins your ability to ACTUALLY explore.
Oblivion has better quests and you can mostly fix the shitty stuff.
Oblivion. I do good there and the world treats you nice with complements and praise in every city. In Skyrim, I could save the goddamn world and everyone there would still treat me like shit.
literally no debate. Morrowind vs Oblivion is a real debate. Anyone who isn't a retarded zoomer knows Oblivion blows Skyrim out of the water so thoroughly it's not even worth talking about.
Oblivion but its so fucking unstable when modded. At least Skyrim SE utilizes more than 4GB of ram
Oblivion and it’s not even close. Skyrim was so disappointing with repetitive quest, terrible writing, bad FoV, less magic/options/interesting weapons, and terrible U.I. I don’t even consider Skyrim and actual RPG, it’s an action adventure game.
You might as well have just said, "soul vs soulless" and everyone would have known what you were talking about.
fallout76 beats em both.
> PC gamers
for me is starfield
Morrowind > Daggerfall > Skyrim > Oblivion > Arena
>imagine trying so hard to fit in with the boomers that you say daggercrap is any good and then still outing your own zoomer ass by saying skyrim was better than oblivion
Morrowind >
Daggerfall>Oblivion>Skyrim>Morrowind
Starting a new game in Morrowind is like pulling teeth
Morrowind > Oblivion > Skyrim > Daggerfall > Arena
>playing the inferior version
The reason they're made so easily moddable and that Bethesda actually releases a Creation Kit to make mods proves the games are meant to be modded. Console kids are only getting 50% of the content
Imagine being so insecure that you accuse others of lying when they don't share your shitty opinion.
Oblivion by a long shot.
Oblivion because you can make your own spells, ayleids>draugr, goblins>falmer and oblivion gates>annoying ass dragons. Also whodunit quest.
Daggerfall is good in it's own way.
Skyrim and Oblivion were equally disappointing to me, but Skyrim at least had some background things going on. Oblivion just had nothing but generic safe fantasy schlock.
imagine being you right now. just had your 15th birthday last week and wanted to celebrate, but theres a coronavirus and you have to stay indoors. You go to 4channel dot com to farm some (you)s by trying to impress the withered old boomers. You post this trash fucking post about daggerfall being good, despite having never played it, and you pat yourself on the back for baiting the boomers. But what you failed to realize was that you accidentally said skyrim was good, and blew your cover. I'd probably just blow my brains out at that point.
Arena is my favorite, if only because I mod for it, and it's my baby.
Daaaaaaamn, catgirls look like *THAT*!?
a choice between two stale pies
I never said Skyrim was good.
I think both Skyrim and Oblivion are shit, but I'd rather replay Skyrim than Oblivion.
And I finished Daggerfall. I sided with the orcs.
Oblivion is better in every single way. Even it's main quest is better.
Oblivion isn't perfect, but it is great. Skyrim was just meh.
it's objectively the worst game in the series
I can mod survival into Skyrim and hike in a winter wonderland.
Everytime I think I might want to revisit Oblivion I remember Oblivion gates and stop myself from committing a mistake.
>objectively
>he doesn't know about battlespire or bladed
>6 voice actors
>more cut content then in any other test games
>nothing to do outside of Dark Brotherhood and Thieves Guild
>most generic landscapes/environments in the series, no variety
>Awful dungeons
>Incredibly repetitive mainline quest
>no armor variety, once you get imp or daeadra which you can do in 10 mins, you're good
>useless abilities that let you cheese the game
>the floatiest combat
I Could go on
Oblivion is a bucket of shit.
the loot scaling, enemy scaling and copy/pasted dungeons make everything but doing quests pointless
Still better than Skyrim
Nah I'd say skyrim does have some good points like dwemer shit, but oblivion is better
Skyrim is better than Oblivion. It's a 5/10 compared to the irredeemable garbage of oblivion.
You mean the whopping 3 gates you have to enter in the whole game? Yes very rough, I am sorry that it is so hard
>winter wonderland
More like frozen wasteland. Oblivion has winter area in the north but there is much more besides that. There's the vineyards in the West, the gold coast, the swamps by black marsh, the grasslands in the center, etc.
Skyrim is the same no matter where I go. Grey sad trash. In oblivion I feel like the world isn't dead and people are on the verge of committing suicide
obviously not counting spin-offs
otherwise it would be the shitty mobile games
>NOOOOO NOOOOO YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE ENEMIES HARDER AS I LEVEL UP
Pussy
Does anyone else hate the fucking oblivion tower things? They're so God damned repetitive and bland, I honestly think I'd take skyrims drauger dungeons over oblivions towers. Oblivions dungeons on the other hand are comfy as fuck.
Eh, well, I'm gonna get roasted for this, but I think Arena is way better than Daggerfall. DF is a half finished mess of promising ideas, which I guess would be fine, but the dungeons are atrocious. Just abysmal. Not fun. I beat the game to say I beat it, but never again.
the non-snowy parts of Cyrodiil look virtually identical
the only real difference is the frequency of trees and ponds
It's better than dragon battles
Oblivion is leagues better. Tho its a 6/10 personally for me.
What? The enemies don't get harder, they stay exactly the same
tougher enemies don't appear until you reach the same level as them, meaning every single encounter will be the same and you will never feel challenged, or feel your character grow at all.
Yeah but they are not mandatory. On the other hand you just can't get away from dragons
Oblivion has better expansion packs also
FYI, one of the reasons Oblivion looks better is because Bethesda paid for the SpeedTree middleware, but cheapened out for Skyrim and decided to do everything in-house. It was a huge mistake imo.
>t-they weren't hard
So you had the difficulty slider at 0? A rat is much easier than an ogre
It's the main feature of the game yet it's also the most shit element in it.
Skyrim for leveling in every way, Oblivion for everything else.
Same with skyrim and dragons really
no it isn't. up to 50 gates can spawn in one playthrough, and there's only seven variations.
It is.
Yes, oblivion gates were total shit.
>every way
The actual leveling menu in oblivion is better
I just console command /kill dragons because I can't be bothered waiting for them to land.
It also makes sense that they can reopen gates from the same place
All menus, huds, ui etc etc were better in Oblivion
But Ogres don't spawn until you're at least level 16, at which people they're easy
Do you have any idea how Oblivion's scaling system works?
Then you can't get achievements
you should apply for a job at Bethesda with that kind of shitbrained reasoning
No they weren't. Oblivion's map was terrible
>CoC removes sigil stone from tower
>Daedra put a new one there
>Gate reopens
Vwalah
>if there's a reason for the game to be boring, we should make it boring!
Seriously, send them your resume
When TES 6 comes out, you'll see an entire generation say that it's a step down from the more refined and deep Skyrim.
Ity been the same shit since Morrowind. Daggerfall fags said it was dumbed down from Daggerfall for consoles, etc. The cycle continues. It was only recently that Daggerfall was even remembered, because 10 years ago Oblivion was "consolized" and streamlined, but Morrowind was the deep CRPG for cerebral intellectuals. It's all based in the same banal criticisms, that different=bad, even if you stop and analyze it the level of statistical variation and interaction has barely changed.
Skyrim.
Physics are less janky, combat feels like it has more weight.
Its art direction is much better, each Hold feels unique. Armor and character models aren't potato tier.
I'm not saying it's good I'm just giving a reason. Dragons are just shit and annoying, and nothing else. It's not like there is variety there either.
there's no variety but it's an enemy, not a dungeon
there's no variety in draugr or trolls eithe
But it's an optional gimmicks at least. You can't really avoid dragons.
that's a fucking modern masterpiece in comparison to shitrim
>Ogres don't spawn until you're at least level 16, at which people they're easy
Wrong
I have had them appear before level 16 (fighters guild quests amateur) and they are hard. I have had my swords broke, armor gone, and been half dead trying to punch them and dodge attacks
Either you have never played the game and watched a crappy YouTube video covering it or you played with the difficulty slider at 0 and did almost no quests
There are some fixed encounters were certain enemy types show up regardless of what level you are.
No, the dragons are fine. Even if you don't like them, they die quickly. Gates are a waste of time no matter what
I like the leveling in oblivion better, and the cities are bit better, though its debatable if skyrim being a sort of a wasteland, the cities are less developed or if it was just developer laziness.
Also I've had way less bugs with skyrim than oblivion, and in skyrim everything does not look like a fucking potato.
In skyrim the enviroments seem more fleshed out.
In short, I'd like 6 to make a sort of a combo of oblivion's and skyrims leveling with larger cities and skyrim's enviromental feels, along with skyrim's combat mechanics of having the "arm system".
In oblivion I play an rpg
In skyrim I immerse myself into a world.
Ok then ignore the gates. Try doing that with dragons
but those ogres are leveled down if you play those quests at a low level
they're not actually harder to fight than a goblin of your equivalent level
you literally don't know what you're talking about
Skyrim is a significantly better game overall but it broke tradition from TES games in that earlier TES games were more of a sandbox and would allow you to do ridiculous game breaking shit.