>BAAAAAW WHY DOES IT HAVE FLIGHT FEATHERS???? Google it retard before you start typing uneducated faggotry. Velociraptors have flight feathers just like they have bones, fossilized. Nothing to argue about.
There is not a single source on planet earth that will argue other wise, you are denying fossils outright. you might just say "Velociraptor did not have bones!" retarded fuck.
You do realize you're talking about an animal that branched off from the immediate common ancestor of birds millions of years AFTER birds evolved?
Brayden Young
>And not every dinosaur had feathers either. NOOOO YOU CAN'T DENY ACTUAL """""EVIDENCE""""" ABOUT THE HECKIN CUTE AND FEATHERY BOIS. NOT THE GOOD CHICKENIRNOS. NOT MY SWEET BUCKIN' AND CLUCKIN' BIRDY BIRDS JURASSIC PARK WASN'T ALL THAT GOOD
I told you to google it dumbass. You clearly didn't The only way to salvage that pov is to be a creationist. This is straight up saying the opposite of objective observable fact (FEATHERS INSIDE THE FUCKING FOSSILS)
No one in this thread said that all dinosaurs had feathers, just that velociraptor had flight feathers, which isn't up for debate and has not been up for debate for the past decade.
In 2007 the base quills for flight feather primaries were found along velociraptor's arm, meaning that raptors had far more advanced plumage than could ever be predicted. This is literally the find where "Velociraptor has feathers" came from, fucking flight feathers immediately visible on the arms with the fossils. You could literally just deny that the sun exists
Andrew Collins
I was talking about VELOCIRAPTOR, not rex. There is no evidence of feathers on tyrannosaurus and there never has been. But denying "flight feathers" (primaries) on velociraptor is literal retardation
Henry Adams
Did you even read that article or just look at the headlines? Nowhere in that article does it say velociraptor had flight feathers. In fact, it says the feathers it did have were thin and hairlike. The opposite of flight feathers.
Cooper Hall
Zhenyuanlong The article is describing the downy fur-like feathering on the rest of the body of a close relative of Velociraptor, Zhenyuanlong
The FIRST feathers ever found on velociraptors were flight feathers. The current assumption for this is that velociraptor had a gliding ancestor or that "flight feathers" simply had another purpose before they were used for flying. There is no consensus on the why, but the presence of those feathers is not up for denial
Adam Thompson
The fossil in the article itself literally has flight feathers, it's not even velociraptor but a cousin.
Luke Baker
Not all of them had feathers though
Hudson Jones
So, not velociraptor.
Jaxon Rodriguez
There will never be a game with realistic dinosaurs because realistic dinosaurs have no mainstream appeal. You can argue about being true to science and fossil data all you want, but the moment paleontologists started memeing that EVERY dinosaur had feathers and looked like big birds and giant chickens was the moment that the mystic and appeal of dinosaurs died for the world at large. When the news broke out and everyone started posting art of velociraptor chickens and big fluffy t.rexes, nobody wanted anything to do with "real" dinosaurs anymore. Everyone grew up on the idea that dinosaurs were huge, scary bad-ass lizards and science couldn't resist on ruining that and pushing the idea that they were just big dodo looking dumbasses. It's why what little dinosaur media we get these days try and minimize the feathers, because otherwise nobody will buy it. Jurassic World tried to circumvent this by saying their dinosaurs are based more on fantasy, too bad the movies forgot to be good. But, people still complained about muh feathers and just about everyone in entertainment industry just don't want to bother because feathered dinosaurs are fucking dumb and audiences, outside of a few autists that nobody listens to, tend to agree. So no more dinosaurs.
Also Velociraptors are tiny, most "raptors" in vidya are more similar to a Deinonychus
I agree though we need more dinosaur vidya. But I think it's too toxic and male fantasy unless the T-Rexes can be trans
Joseph Butler
Velociraptor is younger than birds by tens of million years and is an immediate offshoot of archaopteryx, an animal with wings nearly identical to modern birds save for the visible arm claws, like a Hoatzin science.sciencemag.org/content/317/5845/1721 In 2007 Velociraptor was discovered to posses giant quill knobs identical to the primaries found in modern birds, these quill knobs would remain consistent with other feathered dinosaur finds.
Eventually the cousin of Velociraptor would be found to possess furry down as well as fully present flight feathers. Velociraptor is NOT a primitive animal, if anything it is considerably less primitive than birds themselves, who already appeared tens of millions of years before velociraptor.
Ryder Green
Except every dinosaur didn't. Only small ones like Velociraptor had feathers, and they were furlike at that. Archaeopteryx is the first dinosaur that could be considered a bird.
Justin Perez
>Except every dinosaur didn't. It's too late. The damage is done.
Logan Reyes
Deinonychus would have been feathered too, you are aware of that right? The entire clade of maniraptora is now understood to have been feathered by default with raptors specifically being the most obvious cases. They possess the quill knobs necessary to support fan or leaflike feathers along the arms.
The only maniraptors up for debate are the therizinosaurs and large oviraptorans, animals who might simply just be far too large to properly develop feathers.
Lastly DEINONYCHUS IS NOT BIG, THIS IS A MEME The largest deinonychus fossils are about three feet in height, the common five-foot claim comes from film geeks who don't actually do much research and wish to coin an excuse for Jurassic Park (Jurassic Park is a fine film and does not need excuses!)
Chase Turner
Hmm, I think I misunderstood what you meant by flight feathers, and took that to mean they could fly.
Ryan Roberts
>They didn't have flight feathers. Uneducated fucks who think birds developed flight feathers AFTER they were already flying. Birds popped up in the middle of the jurassic, which is why so many cretaceous era dinosaurs pop up with fully developed feathers, their ancestors, who were on the way to becoming birds, already had them.
Dominic Morris
>Deinonychus the ones from Jurassic Park and Dino Crisis are larger, they're an intermediate size between Deinonychus and Dakotaraptor
Kek why does everyone assume archeopteryx and similarly advanced dinosaurs are from the end of the cretaceous? It was from the center of the jurassic, the center of the "age of dinosaurs" Some people are just too stupid.
Jack Martinez
user meant HE misunderstood ya bully
Andrew Morgan
>start taking paleo classes like intro to taphonomy and historical geology >dinosaurs slowly start becoming less cool h-haha
Nah, dinosaurs are just lame and for fags so I don't really pay attention to them. Behold the pinnacle of chad paleontology. Dinofags can't compete with the might and beauty of Cambrian era invertebrates.
What I find personally interesting about dinosaurs is how people react to them. People are really passionate about dinosaurs. It's not like other sciences, when something gets discovered about dinosaurs, not even theoretical, I mean actually discovered, you get people denying it as fantasy.
Like Velociraptor feathers in this thread. People actively deny an objective reality with physical evidence literally set in stone, usually because it conflicts with their nostalgia. It's amazing really. I don't understand why this happens! Who needs velociraptor to be a scaly reptile creature in REAL LIFE in order to enjoy Jurassic Park? It's a good movie already!
Anthony Hill
this asshole completely ruined jurassic world as a franchise
Christopher Scott
Not based. It's fucking shit and sucks dick and you're an actual retard for thinking animals move like that.
>uses soijak to defend his muh popculture 90's kid JP nostalgia fetish We're breaking new barriers regarding cringe concentration here, folks.
shit tier bait kys
Anyways as for realistic dinosaur games your options are limited to just prehistoric kingdom and saurian. Anything else is just wanna be Collin Trevorrow kike-shit, fantasy cartoon garbage, made by pathetic idiots who want to relive their shitty childhoods.
Now problem is PK is a park simulator that hasn't been released yet and won't be out for a good while, but there's a decent free demo of it you can get on steam. Saurian on the other hand is out on EA and is more of what I think you're looking for, problem is gamepaly wise it's a bit of a walking simulator and progress is painfully slow.
Do you think the finished product of Saurian will be any good?
Landon Gutierrez
Maybe. I think it depends on how well they buff up the combat and if they'll ever get around to adding multiplayer. Those two things + the peak aesthetics they already have would make for a decent final product.
Jonathan Cooper
In that case I am really interested and hope they achieve Saurian. Skimming through some of the project goals has proven pretty interesting. This isn't any dinosaur project, they actually use the latest studies and research
Lucas Turner
>duuuur I want muh prehistoric pokehman!!! gib me muh setgosawoo tew destory de evil meatysaurus to make the good vegiesarwus happy
>muh asspull middle ground Stop pretending to be a scientist while being a blithering retard.
I mean I've always been interested in dinosaurs since I was a kid but now that I'm actually learning about them the endless biostrata and cladistics makes it significantly more boring
Oh yeah they're pretty good. They definately do their homework which is appreciated in a world where everyone's an unoriginal degenerate nostalgia loser.
Brody Cruz
>Only small ones like Velociraptor had feathers, Yutyrannus? Why does everyone forget that we already discovered a Tyrannosaurian dinosaur that beats that argument into submission?
Carson Lee
Do people really come into threads like these thinking that they will prove feathered dinosaurs wrong? Do they come in here and not even bother skimming a wiki article or anything? Not even looking at an image of a fossil? No the tiniest amount of study? They just start spewing retarded shit in the hopes it defends their nostalgia?
Luke Bailey
>early proceratosaurid tyrannosauroid off-shoot fify Most are definately just baiting, but you can tell some of them are geniune normal nigger idiots.
Why are normies so fixated on this fucking chink produced garbage? This has to be the most overated documentary ever. Better shit has come out before it. I mean, I know it's because faggots watch tierzoo, but godamn do they not see how gay they are?
Jose Jones
Velociraptor had feathers no different from a modern bird. source: The literal first discovery of feathers on velociraptors
Large dinosaurs were feathered as well, THOSE were the ones with hairlike feathers.
Source: Yutyrannus Please read a book written in the last thirty fucking years
Realism can be neat but it's much harder to get right than stylization. You're committing to a much higher level of scrutiny when you give yourself something to be directly compared against rather than aiming for an imaginary idealized form, and any flaws are going to be much more apparent because of how used to realistic natural forms people are, making anything that deviates stand out.
>stylization. Bullshit Nobody "stylizes" dinosaurs, they just mimic Jurassic Park and pretend that's creativity
Lincoln Allen
This isn't realistic, there's no evidence for flight feathers on velociraptor specifically. Also unrealistic, we have no evidence for feathers on tyrannosaurs (not tyrannosauroids) and we know for a fact that they didn't have feathers on the neck, hip, or tail (scale impressions). Ditto here, made even worse by the eye-bleedingly neon red and the pure-scavenger idea. Reminder that Jack Horner is a fucking creep who married a 19 year old student while he was in his 60s.
Camden Hall
>This isn't realistic, there's no evidence for flight feathers on velociraptor specifically. retard
Reminder that Jack Horner is a fucking creep who married a 19 year old student while he was in his 60s. based
Jason Barnes
JP isn't stylized? Raptors looking like predatory parrots isn't stylized? Nobody does dinosaurs at all any more except a couple cheap attempts at cashing in on JP or whatever the current "We're finally going to make an actual realistic dinosaur game!" kickstarter project is so it's not like there's many examples.
JP is stylized JP I repeat JURASSIC PARK is stylized EVERYTHING ELSE? No, they just copy Jurassic Park with no creativity. Jurassic Park ITSELF is PEAK creature design
Samuel Cruz
>here's no evidence for flight feathers on velociraptor specifically. >What is the year 2007 If that doesn't ring a bell to you you are practically pretending to know a damn thing about dinosaurs.
Lincoln Bailey
This is actually by young earth creationists. They lost the argument about dinosaurs existing so instead they're trying to ruin them so nobody cares.
>This isn't realistic, there's no evidence for flight feathers on velociraptor specifically. Tell me you're a young earth creationist right now and I'll lay off.
Benjamin Gomez
Do other people copying JP suddenly become realistic? Stylization has nothing to do with originality.
T-Rex was not a giant turkey. All skin impressions we have of T-Rex does not suggest it had feathers. It doesn't even make any sense, a T-Rex is huge and lived in a tropical region, why would it need feathers? It would die from heat exhaustion because larger animals retain heat far more easily than smaller animals.
Maybe it had some feathers (like hair on an elephant) or it had more as a baby but a fully-grown T-Rex having feathers makes no sense.
Jose Reed
>Topic image is velociraptor, a dinosaur with absolute proof of birdlike feathering >Anons run in here to talk about T-rex