Was he right?

its not good vs evil
its not light vs dark
its balance vs imbalance

If you're a pansy ass light side force user then yeah that's an optimistic and pragmatic way of looking at things. However if you embrace your inner edginess and you're already dark side than it's completely meaningless.

literally not true. In the films the characters talk about restoring balance to the force by destroying the Sith. to George Lucas it was never supposed to be a yin-yang system.

Damn, even the original KOTOR understood the light/dark dichotomy was too limiting.

Yes. Love WILL save you. God is love. The force, no pun intended, that moves us humans through this cold cosmos of uncertainty and death.
How come people not realize this I have no idea.

Jedi are balance.
Sith are imbalance.

gray jedi are usually hermits that do jack shit, or sith waiting to happen

Nah, Jedi are a lot more rigid and stoic. Jedis tend to have the opposite problem from the Sith where they are too detached from the world. Grays are usually too open minded to be considered real Jedi.

I still find it dumb that it's canon to the lore that the sith just turn ugly because that's how the force works when you use it too much apparently. Are all Jedi massive Adonis chads/beautiful greek goddesses because they're GOOD force users?

>do jack shit

That is literally the jedi code tho
"Don't do anything, the force will sort it out"

jedi help. it's limited, but they do.
gray jedi just become hermits, being even worse than the jedi in that regard.

The only character that is right in the whole franchise is Kreia.

>le edgy nihilist force user who wants to destroy god (the force) and who takes up more screen time than the protagonist
go to bed Chris Avellone, you're drunk

Grey Jedi are forgettable characters
I dare you to name 3 that aren't Qui Gon jinn or using Google

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Yes. The point of the Sith WAS they were a perversion. The dark side ain't healthy.

This. The original Je'daii Order that the Jedi and Sith splintered from followed the truth path to the force. They sent any members that fell to the light or dark of the force to the moon to meditate until they were balanced again.

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Idiot. starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Gray_Jedi Go look at any of the sources yourself.

THE BEST WAY TO SILENCE JEDI HYPOCRISY IS WITH A BLASTER BOLT TO THE THROAT

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>the only character who is right is one who admits she is wrong

Kyle Katarn
Kyle Katarn
Kyle Katarn

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Jolee, Kyle, and Jackie Chan

>Jackie Chan

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Sometimes you just gotta go ham though. Like when a nigga stabs your mentor in the gut and taunts you.

You have to admit you're wrong sometimes to be right.

Doesn't Revan himself kind of qualify as well? Despite becoming a Sith Lord he intended to reshape the Republic through force in order to prepare it for a even worse threat. Even when the Jedi were non-interventionist he joined the Mandalorian wars in order to protect people.

no it isn't they'd see that coming

pre-TOR, yes
post-TOR, no

>Je'daii
Is/was that a real canon original name for them? Fucking cringe.

Sort of. The Jedi were an offshoot of the Je'daii. It was a long time ago; I wouldn't worry about it.

The thing that rubbed me about grey jedi stuff is having your cake and eating it too

the obvious downside of the sith is developing murderautism and being unable to think rationally on your way to absolute power

there should be some obvious downside to the jedi too like being forced to live like monks or else it wouldn't be obvious why people would bail on the order and go darkside

Passion is good, passion is what drives us to achieve great things. Love and passion are two separate things. I'd sooner say motivation is more important in being a Jedi or Sith. Just because you're passionate about something does not mean you have ill intent. In fact, if no one had any passion, nothing would get done. You'd just be doing things because you have to or compelled to or things wont get done. Without passion to drive you into doing things you're only doing it for someone else's benefit and not yours. Sure loves can motivate you into doing things for someone. Passion is what gives you personal growth and purpose.

THis is why I'd rather see more thing done with Gray Jedi/Sith and why a movie like The Last Jedi was trash. It field to deliver anything from it and subverted my expectations because they were scared to tackle more complicated themes. Jedi are good, and Sith are bad. Nothing from that movie made me want to """"consoom"""" anymore Star Wars garbage.

it's not that cringe. stuff like that exists in real life

didn't the writers admit they wrote him specifically so kotor 1 players could rationalize their jedi pc participating in cringe bioware romance?

>real life is not cringe

The downside is probably that it's a really hard path to walk without still falling to the dark side. The jedi monk way of life is essentially the safest option to develop force powers without losing it.

If jedi are the side-walk and sith are the road, then grey jedi are the unmarked bicycle lane that neither side respects.

Ahsoka
Luke
Ezra
Qui Gonn
Count Dooku was actually considered a grey Jedi as well before going full sith to try and undermine sidious

jedi are gay incels since they cant have sex so yeah, hes right

>The only character that is right in the whole Fallout franchise is Ulysses

>going full sith to try and undermine sidious

Is this true? Did Dooku willingly become a Sith to undermine Sidious? How would he even know about Sidious before becoming a Sith?

Star Wars has always been about good vs evil, the grey jedi kind of shit on that by responding to all the Jedi's concerns with "Lmao just don't be fucking retarded bro". The KOTR video games are practically their own universe in that respect.

>there should be some obvious downside to the jedi too like being forced to live like monks or else it wouldn't be obvious why people would bail on the order and go darkside
If only there was a trilogy of movies focused on this exact concept

Basically libertarian force users then.
>Make absolute sense but everyone ignores you because tribalism is fun

this. gas em.

I bet you're unironically a catholic in real life

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why does this meme keep popping up
george himself said they weren't celibate, they just told you not to get attached to whoever you fucked
ie pump and dump

Yeah, kinda. And like libertarianism it can easily turn into a cover for amoral behavior, and the only one who can tell you're making excuses rather than being sincere is you. It requires a powerful moral compass to keep stay on the path and you can't trust anyone else to figure it out for you. Jedis are authoritarian where there's a code and if you don't adhere to it you get ousted. It's safer because an individual can't fuck the entire thing up for everyone else, but it also means inheriting all the misgivings the authority has internalized. You're always limited by what the code prescribes. The Sith are anarchy. Do whatever you want but you might have to fight everyone else to do it. There's nothing stopping you from getting crushed or usurped by the rest except your own power.

>an obviously flawed code
that shit is so fucking vague what moron would chimp out at it
>keep a cool head
>read nigger read
>don't think with your dick
>improvise as needed
>don't shit yourself at death

nice try gay incel, jedis like you, are gay incels

>Jedis are authoritarian where there's a code and if you don't adhere to it you get ousted
if that were true why was qui-gonn even granted master in the first place

more like gay jedi

should i play kotor2 or bg1, i just cannot decide

>They sent any members that fell to the light or dark of the force to the moon to meditate until they were balanced again.
so they were literal fascists
k