I just beat Doom 1 for the first time in its entirety. Do people not remember how many demons you made your bitch in that game?
The game even notes that you fucked up Hell something fierce and dealt an immeasurable amount of losses to their forces. By the end of Thy Flesh Consumed, you've killed two Spider Masterminds, several Cyberdemons, and a probably thousands of lower and higher level demons. Why do people still act like Doomguy was ever really just Ash Williams?
They're shitposters, don't pay them any mind.
It's just a little overdone in the new games is all.
>Why do people still act like Doomguy was ever really just Ash Williams?
Because he was just that:
a VULNERABLE human badass. Your avatar.
Not some nu-God Of War anti-demon demigod with a fancy power armor and shit.
He was literally an alcoholic ADHD muhreen, who got severe PTSDs after all the shit, and in the end said "fuck it!", and staid in the Hell to slaughter anything that still moved.
tl;dr: Play the games, zoomies.
It's called character progression, you mongoloid.
Bro, he's literally killed thousands upon thousands of demons by the end of Doom 64. There's a point at which one stops being Ash Williams in space and becomes the Doom Slayer.
He spent eons fucking up Hell bro, that's why he's so strong now
No, it's called a "soft reboot".
The entire mood and balance of the games gone through a major shift, that together with the severely downgraded and unfocused new game-play style just make the IP unrecognizable.
>Bro, he's literally killed thousands upon thousands of demons by the end of Doom 64.
Yet he is still 100% human. Not a superman in a magical HALO armor that turns demons and ayylmaos into demonic red bull.
>No, it's called a "soft reboot".
No, you dumb shit. A lot of shit happens between Doom 64 and 2016 and Doomguy progresses as a character.
QUICK PROTIP: It's "Doomguy", or "The Doom Marine" not "Doom Slayer".
And to answer your question, OP, the reason why people disliked the doomguy becoming this "RIP N TEAR" ultimate badass in doom 4 and 4.5 was because, in the first two games, the doomguy wasn't a character. He was an avatar. I think John Carmack or someone else at Id said it best. "The Doomguy is you." He's basically was whatever you wanted him to be, and the new 'doom slayer' feels like the devs basically just googled a bunch of internet memes and made that the character. Basically, they tried too hard and ended up looking like that kid from school who wants so badly to be cool but doesn't understand that you're not cool from what you're trying to be, you're cool for what you are, and doom 4 and 4.5 are trying way too hard to be like doom 1 and 2, without understanding exactly what it was that made those games timeless classics in the first place. Mostly the modding scene *cough* 12 demon at a time limit *cough*
Also what he said. The original doomguy was just a dude. The new doomslayer is basically a 40k spess muhreen.
>not a superhuman
>carries several, unearthily heavy weapons in his backpack all the while outrunning his own rockets.
The only valid point you made is the 12 demon at a time thing actually does feel kinda underwhelming.
Anyway, the whole, "this character is an avatar of the player," bullshit never really stands up, because in this case, I'm not a fucking space marine, I'm some guy living in 'murica. I haven't killed literally thousands of demons. And like I said, when you've done that, then you're essentially unstoppable. By that point, nothing is really terrifying then, and Hell is rightfully terrified of the Doom Slayer.
user they didn't have to google shit. If the devs didn't fuck up by making anything past e1 (where doom guy dies) this shot wouldn't happen. Also fuck 64, it's proto Zoom
>pistol
>stubby shotgun
>pistol caliber chaingun
>rocket tube
>futuristic plasma gun or two
>chainsaw
"unearthily heavy"
someone didn't watch the Mythbusters vidya episode.
>Also fuck 64, it's proto Zoom
WHAT DOES THAT EVEN MEAN?
>Also fuck 64, it's proto Zoom
No. Get lost.
Trying to make Doom into a horror game thought not at the level Doom 3 would do several years later
64 is a Doom game through and through, just with a dark atmosphere.
>and then doom guy spent forever murdering hell. The end
If this is an OK ending to you then I have to inform you this is an 18+ site
>Not some nu-God Of War anti-demon demigod with a fancy power armor and shit.
And he isn't.
The demons were just that afraid of him and they couldn't comprehend how a human could do that.
It's the logical conclusion for the series after 5 canonical invasions from Hell.
>If this is an OK ending to you
It is. It's a fine finale to a tortured man and a hero.
Sorry kid, but (You) are the underaged fag here.
>And he isn't.
At least play the games you shiII, zenifags.
To be fair that's a pretty rad ending fit for a 90s game.
I played DOOM when it came out, I don't understand all this bitching about 2016, why is it so hard for you to ignore the new games?
>At least play the games
Take your own advice, the legends of the doomslayer come from demons. You know, the things he slaughtered.
Kinda sounds like you're on zoomie wheels because an ending doesn't fit your cookie cutter definition
Sometimes a video game was just a video game and it wasn't supposed to be some deep philosophical reacharound like Kojima produces.
That's badass as fuck ending. What are you, an Ubi-drone?
Because some of us are actually passionate about our favorite media products, especially ones as quintessential as Doom, and are thus not happy to see it get thrown to pigs.
>n-no u
The logical conclusion is him dying LIKE THE END OF E1. Not him being the ultimate Badass slaaaaaayer queen. At least play the game zoomie
>Take your own advice
That never gets old.
>the legends of the doomslayer come from demons.
AND the whole other humanoid race that made the Praet suit, resulted the Icon of Sin, and who knows what else.
The amount of stupid in this thread is astounding.
lol what? You sound like you just started playing DOOM.
I sort of get why some people might find it too much, but on the flip side what the fuck COULD they do with Doomguy? Have him narrate about how tough his life is and how war never changes or some bullshit?
That's my line, kiddie. It's obvious that your first gaming system was an Xbox.
Don't do ANYTHING with him.
Have the game kickstart with him in a dim, ruined place, crawling with baddies, and a gun. That's it.
No written plot, just implied past events delivered through subtle environmental storytelling at most.
It's literally a game about one man taking on the forces of hell. Holy shit go outside
Apply to yourself, and come up with arguments, Zenifaggot.
Excuse me? I already told you I played DOOM on release, why are you trying so hard to win a battle you have no chance o winning? Just ignore the new games, stop acting like a kid that just discovered DOOM and now is mad other people don't respect his headcanon.
Wow, 33 hours and you didn't pay attention to a piece of lore.
>AND the whole other humanoid race that made the Praet suit, resulted the Icon of Sin, and who knows what else.
user, it's literally just a legend made up by demons.
reminder anyone trying to claim doomguy is supposed to be just some normal guy is a shitposter
People that dont accept Doomslayer being a evolution of Doomguy literally have brain problems.Its the only for being soo stuborn and retarded
>Have the game kickstart with him in a dim, ruined place, crawling with baddies, and a gun. That's it.
>No written plot, just implied past events delivered through subtle environmental storytelling at most.
So Doom 2016 then?
>AND the whole other humanoid race that made the Praet suit, resulted the Icon of Sin, and who knows what else.
You absolute retard.
They're PART of the legend, they didn't name him the Doom Slayer, the demons did.
>In the first age, in the first battle, when the shadows first lengthened, one stood. Burned by the embers of Armageddon, his soul blistered by the fires of Hell and tainted beyond ascension, he chose the path of perpetual torment. In his ravenous hatred he found no peace; and with boiling blood he scoured the Umbral Plains seeking vengeance against the dark lords who had wronged him. He wore the crown of the Night Sentinels, and those that tasted the bite of his sword named him... the Doom Slayer.
Enjoy you fuckwit.
Didn't know about it, and went to have a look. Their Yas Forumsguy to do the more 'authentic' run of the simulation still looked hella exhausted. Also,
>they measured the equipment, all guns and ammo to be at 36kg in total
>one minigun alone weighs 38kg
Someone messed up the math.
What is he supposed to be then?
You arent being serious, right? Did you even read the text after that part?
You DIDNT DIED, the whole 'getting TPd to a room full of monsters' thing, was ID trying to convey that Doomguy was on Deimos, and he was welcomed by a bunch of monsters he probably killed anyway.
Im pretty sure ypu are already aware, but the original Doom was an EPISODIC GAME, if you really died as you said, there wont be any more episodes, in Ep 2. You are still alive!
>Not some nu-God Of War anti-demon demigod with a fancy power armor and shit.
>Not a superman in a magical HALO armor that turns demons and ayylmaos into demonic red bull.
But the armor isn't magical you retard, nor is he superhuman.
The Nu-Doom lore says the only changes he has is a speed and strength boost, that's it. Nothing else.
Even then, the nu-armor clearly slows down Doomguy, so his speed upgrade does nothing to change his character, whereas his strength update just lets him glory kill and that's it.
Also since when is Nu-God of War about being a demigod? I am pretty sure that everyone (myself included) complained about Kratos being a softie dad instead of the actual Demigod killing machine he was in the original games.
Gif unrelated.
>muh space power fantasy has to be super serious and must only cater to me
Play the wads and don't worry about nu-doom or just fucking Kill yourself
I forgot normal people can easily carry an entire arsenal on his back AND shitloads of ammo, run faster than is possible for humans, and single-handedly thwart multiple Hell invasions. Stop being fucking retarded.
Correction: It's Doomguy, but now also can be called the Doom Slayer, because the story has moved forward.
Okay, so what is he supposed to be.
These contrarian faggots probably don't even know what a "wad" is. I've noticed the people bitching about modern Doom are some of the biggest fucking posers ever. They played Doom once and think it makes them experts. Zoomers larping as cranky boomers. It's pathetic so they can bitch about a game they aren't interested in on a internet imageboard. Pathetic sub-humans, all of them.
A video game character, shit for brains.
A video game character that's...
Maybe play the games and find out for yourself, kiddo. I highly recommend the original games. Lots of fun.
I never saw this arbitrary distinction before people begging for Doomman in Smash.
Don't get angry now user but he's a human
Yeah let's just pretend the, what, two years? Before smash didn't happen.
A video game human capable of feats impossible for normal humans to achieve, therefore his development in the current games makes total sense. I don't know what you're trying to get at, user. This whole back and forth has been a total waste of both of our time.
>But the armor isn't magical you retard
They LEGIT tell you that the armor turns demons into supplies through demon magic, silly kid.
>Also since when is Nu-God of War about being a demigod?
Should've just said GoW in general, but still.
>This level of absolute cope trying to revise and redefine Doom's entire history and trying to ignore the fact that Doom is the literal product of John Romero and Carmack playing D&D and watching Army of Darkness, rage-quitting because Romero wanted his magical shadow-katana and summoned literal hell itself to get it.
Reminds me of the time I tried justifying the existence of Evil Dead to my religious parents by pointing out Evil Dead 2 and Army of Darkness was more comedic and light-hearted, I was a retarded kid, but then I grew up. But now I can see those same kids trying to do it, except they are so heavily immersed in their iToddler phones that they need to perform that same justification to anonymous adults on an imageboard to satisfy their self-worth because of their negligent parents. It would be amusing, if I weren't so saddened by how deep technology has gripped our youth. Maybe Ted was right after all.
Creating all this lore around demons fearing Doomguy through audio log collectables is gay.
