Did Demon's Souls start the whole obsession with "lore" and using that word specifically in video games? I don't remember that word being in popular use prior to that game.
Also, no, Yas Forums talking about the green Thwomp in Mario Kart prior to 2009 doesn't count as the beginning of the popularization of lore in vidya.
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No, lore was a huge thing before that.
Lore has always been huge before that.
Zelda games were discussed for their lore in the early 2000s (Majora's Mask etc.)
I won't call you a zoomie though, you're asking a legit question.
Can you name games that came out before where the majority of players were using that word, to the point that journalists used it as well?
You had people talking about Starcraft and Warcraft lore
He's probably going to say zelda because he's a fucking retard
zelda is the source of all the lore and timeline faggotry
>Did Demon's Souls start the whole obsession with "lore"
crpgs in the 90s came with fucking novels full of lore you zoomer
You retarded, son?
let me be more explicit because youre a kid
i mean actual literal novels. books full of history and fables of the game world. people these days just have the attention span for item descriptions and optional conversations. and barely that
Oh shush, you know Demon's/Dark Souls invented dodge rolling in videogames, right?
how fucking new are you?
Yeah I remember people just called it "backstory" or something. Lore is a newer term and I'm not sure where it came from.
but was it called "lore" though? I remember seeing talking about timelines and discussion of all that.
Metroid literally has Lore in it.
Audio logs like System Shock can also be considered lore.
unfortunately it started the trend with shitty lore, yes
I'm not saying there wasn't lore prior to Demon's Souls, I'm saying: was the word "lore" in popular use for video games before that, to the point where marketers and game designers used it in their strategy proposals on white boards at meetings?
wrpgs from the nineties are all full of lore
Marketers aren't using it, journalists are. And anyone that talked about RPG's used the word lore. Elder scrolls is another example of that.
It without a doubt started the modern trend of using a roll as a dodge in 3D games, despite rolling being a super inefficient dodge irl and it looking very retarded.
This is a very stupid image.
Not the concept of "lore" dipshits. OP is referring to specifically the word "lore". I remember they used to just call it backstory and several other words back then. My memory's hazy and I'm trying to make sure I'm using the exact words they used to use rather than backporting popular phrases to the past.
Lore is just one of those words that popped up on Yas Forums one day and I just found it odd and then kept going with it.
Then:
>the game's backstory is that it's a world founded by psychics
Now:
>The game's lore is varied and deep. On a world founded by psychics...
>despite rolling being a super inefficient dodge irl and it looking very retarded.
Are we using realism? Becuase most things in games isn't real. Have you seen someone jump or flip as much as Link can with his equipment? He's as flexible as a real world elite gymnast is on a bouncy floor.
What kind of games do you play? I guarantee you there are a ton of inefficient and impractical things done in it that look retarded
not an argument
>Link
One of the few cases where it's acceptable. When we're talking grown men donning suits of armor, though...
I used lore as a fucking kid when talking about things, my friend who was a huge Metroid fan talked about its lore, and we talked about Fable's and Morrowind's lore as well, and yes we used the word "lore". Just because you're not exposed to these words before you started using the internet about a decade ago doesn't mean nobody was. DeS may have made the word a meme but it sure as fuck was well in use before it by gaming communities.
Thanks for confirming i was right, retard.
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I wasn't making an argument, I was making an observation. Also not an argument btw.
>Marketers aren't using it, journalists are.
Not true, look at Bungie. They've internalized the whole lore thing from the Souls games as part of their marketing stratagem these days, and they are one of the most renown Western studios out there.
>Elder scrolls is another example of that.
Was Bethesda using the word already? I could believe that.
>question?
>no, answer doesn't count
>write low quality fantasy novel
>cut it up and spread it across item descriptions
Wow so deep. Lorefags are cancer
>calling you retarded for trying too hard to call someone out for something that didn't even cross their mind
>confirming you right
What mental illness do people have to have to follow such logic and how do I afflict myself with it so I can feel better about my life
Colloquial use doesn't answer the question. Some kind of source is needed to demonstrate its formal use in the industry to properly answer it.
so I was right, it wasn't an argument
yeah WC lore has always been a big deal
>started the modern trend of using a roll as a dodge in 3D games
Yeah, no. Dodge rolling has been a thing in 3D games since 3d games have existed.
>inb4 "but it popularized it!"
Which isn't even a quantifiable statement and is still untrue, since popular games have had dodge rolls since way before demon's souls existed
>Dodge rolling has been a thing in 3D games since 3d games have existed.
They didn't start the trend though.
Yes you are right. I was addressing the practical reason you were making that post, which you will happily ignore so you can get some imaginary greentext.
Everything about Demon's Souls combat is stolen from Monster Hunter.
It's more of an old RPG thing but yeah you're probably right about Souls elevating the term to meme status
Are From ever remastering this game? I've never gotten around to playing it, and don't want to be bothered to get a PS3 again.
You can dodge roll in the following 3D action games that predate Souls
Ninja Gaiden
Devil May Cry
Kingdom Hearts
Gears of War
God of War (it was the main way speedrunners traversed through levels)
Monster Hunter
Max Payne
Alan fucking Wake
And Bayonetta came out the same year as Demon's Souls and was all equally about rolling as well
I'm sure there's tons more, but off the top of my head, these are games with dodge rolls.
you are so underage that it hurts. Dodge Roll was huge in KH1 and there were many games before it that also used it.
It would be nice if they did for the PC crowd who never got to play it. It remains my favorite game of the series, being that it has the darkest, most Arthurian atmosphere out of all of them, and a more interesting world than the others imo.
the entire elder scrolls series you retarded souls nigger
If you need an example look to two years prior when Bioshock came out. Not like it was the pioneer either since it's just repeating what System Shock 1/2 did and those games didn't start the "lore" concept or term either.
it's kind of an open secret in the industry that Bluepoint are working on a remaster as a PS5 launch title
>most Arthurian atmosphere out of all of them
God damn this. When I talk about the particular aesthetic of it, people blow it off as nostalgia or contrarianism and that makes me want to punch them in the fucking cheekbone. I love Arthurian legend so much, and the dark medieval aesthetic that Dark souls doesn't quite have.
None of those games set the modern trend. The Souls games did.
Why can't Yas Forums read?
I miss the maiden in black's sweet soothing voice bros
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This track isn't the same without the ambient sound effects
>Ninja Gaiden
false
>Devil May Cry
not a dodge roll
>Kingdom Hearts
RPG, doesn't count
>Gears of War
Nope
>God of War (it was the main way speedrunners traversed through levels)
Glitch not intended design
>Monster Hunter
Not until after DeS released
>Max Payne
Dives are not rolls
>Alan fucking Wake
No stamina system, doesn't count
>And Bayonetta came out the same year as Demon's Souls and was all equally about rolling as well
Bayonetta flips she doesn't roll
Try again sis.
What does that even mean? It was a trend before, since there were tons of games which did it.
Your definition of "set the modern trend" is a personal definition that you've just made up so that you can't be wrong. It's not a quantifiable definition.
>Dodge Roll was huge in KH1
Only faggots play Disney fanfiction. Write that down in your little notebook goober.
>Bluepoint are working on
into the trash it goes.
>It was a trend before
No it wasn't. A bunch of one-off titles that implemented some kind of roll, which barely operates anything like the roll in the Souls games in most of them, is not the same as a trend.
>Your definition of "set the modern trend" is a personal definition that you've just made up so that you can't be wrong.
Nah, you just don't understand what a trend is.
Yes it was called lore. Lore was also the formal name for data entries in Metroid Prime, on gamefaqs in 2001 we were all talking about ‘the lore’ and using that word for other games too
Have you posted a single piece of evidence to support your own claim about Souls?
>>Gears of War
>Nope
Yes? How could you even say no to that?
>It's not a quantifiable definition
Imagine being this much of a brainlet!
Yes we mean the word LORE, fool. Why do you think we don’t? One user directly cited that Metroid Prime has lore by name
Metroid Prime, you sniveling jerk
All wrong. Everything you said was wrong
If Souls was a one-off title, and the roll thing was still popular, then that must mean that Dark Souls was not what popularized it according to your definition, correct?
How could you possibly set an arbitrary number of games being released to be a hard factor to determine what set trends? That is completely retarded and entirely irrelevent.
Why is this thread full of zoomers who refuse proper answers to questions they ask, and perform mental gymnastics to deny direct citations of the use of the word, or the existence of the dodge roll?
jesus your nw
We were rollin hm before DeS and we called it rolling. We would say ‘use the roll!’ and the game would call it a dodge roll. Bite me seething zoomer
Well for one thing you have unlimited stamina and for another it doesn't offer any i-frames. It's not a dodge roll just a roll. Very different concept, execution and it doesn't count anyway since there are guns in Gears.
Do you really want people to post gifs and webms of dodge rolling in all of these games to prove you wrong
>If Souls was a one-off title
And if your aunt had balls she'd be your spuncle. We're talking about the real world here sister not your lollipop fairy-tale imagination.
I got Demon's Souls at the time of its EU release but I don't really recall many people talking about its lore at the time. I thought it was Dark Souls that caused the upswing of interest in that sort of thing.
>needs journalists opinion to determine if a word was used
EverQuest, fag
High quality bait, almost got me.
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That's a very specific and minor difference in action; it wouldn't even surprise me if someone in the Souls team saw that and said "Hey, what if we had that but we made it to where you had a chance to escape by making you invincible for a few frames?" It's literally one step away from it. None of that disqualifies it at all.
You clearly didn't get the point that a game having more than one game doesn't mean it set the trend, dumbass. There is no causal link between a game having more than one game and it starting a trend. That's not how it works, and you know that, but you're purposefully being disingenuous aren't you.
Yes.
FROM popularized using flavor text to tell the meat of the lore, but even this existed forever before them, even in some popular games like Metroid Prime.
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You're dumb as a box of rocks sister.