Here's your Golden Sausage arena, kids. Now moved to Wall Market. Enjoy your retcon seething

Are they just bloating the game with mini games and side quests? How long is the actual story?

>muh bloating

Considering that we definitely won't be getting Golden Sausage (which was available in the second part of Disc 1 in the original, and it's clear as fuck that second part of Remake won't get anywhere farther than Junon) earlier than 2024, it's highly likely they've dropped the ball by being scared of the amount of work they have to do to the rest of the content for it to look as good as Midgar portion in the Remake, so they're trying to cram as much of the mid and late game content in the fucking MIDGAR (which is LITERALLY just a TUTORIAL section in the original) as they could, thus utterly ruining the rest of the game. For example, Leviathan was in fucking WUTAI and you could NOT obtain him any sooner than the middle of the Disc 2, for fuck's sake, but here they are stuffing him in Midgar now. What a fucking mess.

>Are they just bloating the game with mini games and side quests?
obviously. midgar is like 5 hours long. they have to stretch this shit out as thin as possible

There wasn't good graphics in the original either you dipshit, that doesn't mean it's a retcon

Anyone have the list of the chapter names?

>How long is the actual story?
In original, Midgar was literally just a tutorial section for game's mechanics and a prologue, so if without grinding and doing every dialogue/collecting every item or doing side-quests - Midgar portion took ~4 hours tops. And if with grinding and reading every dialogue, talking with every NPC, seeing every scene, collecting everything and doing every side-quest, then it was around 10~14 hours.

Arena in the Golden Sausage is a heavily story-driven place in the original, you underage zooming cuckshit. It plays significant role in the plot so you're an absolute fucking DUMBASS if you sincerely think/believe that moving it from Golden Sausage to what is essentially the very beginning of the game is "not a retcon". Off yourself.

There was no arena that YOU knew of, you fucking dumbass. Midgar is a big place, not all of it was in the original. You barely even explored Midgar in the original. You were in and out after 3 hours.

what are some confirmed retcons anons?

Hang yourself.

>Are they just bloating the game with mini games and side quests?
Yes, just like the original game, I thought you people liked le ebin JRPG minigames?

1. Shinra knowing about first bombing and essentially planning for it beforehand to blame Avalanche later. In the original this was merely speculated, but in Remake they fully show Shinra doing it openly, while in the original only the second bombing was known to be a planned trap by Shinra.

2. Jenova appearing before the party in Midgar instead of Junon, both as a Sephiroth's specter which EVERYONE can see (not just Cloud) AND by itself in the first form.

3. Hojo observing Cloud and the rest of the party BEFORE he's met in Shinra building, which is nonsense since in the original Hojo didn't know about anything on them prior to them entering his laboratory and resquing Aeris along with releasing Nanaki. Now, in the Remake, they're implying Hojo knew about them right from the very beginning.

Nobody cares fatso.

shut the fuck up special needs

>In the original this was merely speculated
by "speculated" you mean "not mentioned or insinuated at all"

You know that retcons are retcons when you take the original game, make a 1:1 remake and change stuff right

It doesnt apply to remakes that dont intend to replace the original

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No, it was literally SPECULATED by Jessie. She said something like "this is impossible, it should never be like this, that bomb wasn't supposed to be so powerful" in the original, implying she either overdid AND Avalanche 2 is actually to blame OR that there was something else going on (and later with Shinra's trap during second bombing, it's implied that they could've been the first one too). It was ambiguous and speculative at best, but in Remake they're openly establishing that Shinra WAS behind the over-excessive destruction of Reactor 01.

Jessie never saw her own bomb explode, dipshit. She couldn't have been surprised by the strength of the blast. What surprised her was the extent of the explosion of the Mako Reactor, which surpassed what she imagined it would be. At the end of the dialog you're talking about, she says that this was her bomb's debut and she was proud of it. Somebody who did not intend to destroy the whole building and kill people around it would not say something like this. It isn't ambiguous in the original, there is only one conclusion, that Avalanche intended to destroy the reactor.

There's obviously still going to be an arena in the Golden Saucer, do you think only one arena can exist in the world for some reason?

>it's clear as fuck that second part of Remake won't get anywhere farther than Junon
I highly doubt that.

>Jessie never saw her own bomb explode
Literally slit your wrists, fucking idiot. Jessie MADE the bomb and her commentary was towards that, because she's NOT an expert and she was afraid that it was HER fucking up and overdoing it.

Generally speaking, when you fuck up a bomb, one of two things happen:

1) No explosion
2) Explosion is less powerful than expected

It doesn't magically become 5x stronger.

That's the thing: WHEN are we getting to Golden Sausage? That's right - NOWHERE anytime sooner than 2024 at earliest. Meaning that SquE has fucking NO plans beyond ONLY Midgar, thus far, THAT is EXACTLY why they're cramming fucking EVERYTHING right here and now at the very beginning. Fucking Leviathan was at the middle of Disc 2 in the original, yet NOW they're shoving him in Midgar. And Golden Sausage is AFTER Costa Del Sol, which on itself is AFTER Junon, and second part of Remake is clearly not going to go past Junon (fight with Jenova on the ship AT MOST).

Her bomb was deep inside the reactor which she had exited. What Jessie saw explode was the Reactor itself. She DID NOT SEE HER BOMB EXPLODE. What she saw was the secondary explosion of the reactor which was precipitated by her bomb. This explosion was still caused, ultimately by her bomb, and that's why she expresses surprise at what her bomb did.
Generally speaking, when you set up a bomb to cause a reactor to explode, what you see if you're at minimum safe distance and not dead is the explosion of the reactor itself, not your bomb.

Why do you keep calling it that? It's not funny.

>Leviathan was at the middle of Disc 2 in the original
You could get it on disc 1 as soon as you get the Tiny Bronco.

>2024 at earliest
user you're being ridiculous and you know it.

>This explosion was still caused, ultimately by her bomb,
This is NOT exact in the original BECAUSE Jessie openly contemplates and speculates that it's simply impossible to have such an explosion from HER bomb, you DUMB fuck.

Because Dio.

No, uneducated inexperienced imbecile. You CAN enter Wutai at Disc 1, but you CAN'T get Leviathan at that point, because to get it you have to complete Pagoda, and you can't complete the Pagoda at Disc 1.

>and you can't complete the Pagoda at Disc 1.
The fuck are you talking about you massive retard, you just had to enter to the pagoda with yuffie and you could
You can do both sidequests immediately

It took them 5 full years to make JUST MIDGAR ALONE for the Remake. Now imagine Kalm, Midgar Zolom marshes, Fort Condor, Mithril Caves, forests with Yuffie, and Junon. Or are you implying it'll take even longer to get to Junon? I'll not argue with that, then.

The only requirement for the Pagoda fights is completing Yuffie's sidequest and having her in your party, which can be done as soon as you get the Tiny Bronco.

The floors on the Pagoda are NOT fully opened on Disc 1, you IMBECILE. They open up gradually as you progress the game, and you can fight Yuffie's father ONLY by the middle of the Disc 2.

No - you can't FINISH the Pagoda on Disc 1, as members on the floors get added with progression of the story, literal "flags" at points in the story must be reached to trigger their availability.

>The floors on the Pagoda are NOT fully opened on Disc 1, you IMBECILE
PFFFHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAH NO YOU GODDAMN BABOON THE FLOORS ARE IMMEDIATELY UNLOCKED YOU FUCKING MASSIVE RETARDED FUCK GO PLAY THE GAME ONCE IN YOUR LIFE NIGGER

If you say wrong things with confidence, they become true! Oh wait, that's wrong. You just look like an even bigger idiot.

See , you imbeciles.

>aerith
fucking dropped

THE DOORS ARE UNLOCKED AS SOON AS YOU BEAT THE FLOOR ENEMY YOU FUCKING RETARDED LOW IQ FAGGOT

Ok you have to be baiting. Im done, cya

2 of those 5 years were pretty much scrapped when they took over from from CyberConnect, and subsequent parts won't take as much time now that the groundwork has been done. Also Midgar specifically had the most potential to be expanded on, other areas aren't getting the Midgar treatment you know, the marshes and the caves aren't going to become 10 hour levels or something.

It's not a retcon until there is no arena on the golden saucer.
It's just additional content until then.
Maybe this just means each part will have arenas to compete in.

>there was no arena that YOU knew of, you fucking dumbass
>Midgar is a big place, not all of it was in the original
These shills are mentally ill

Why is it all Chinese?

Because Don Corneo is obsessed with Wutai. He's a Wuaboo.

THE FLOOR ENEMIES DON'T APPEAR ON THE NEXT FLOOR IMMEDIATELY, YOU IMBECILE.

>Jessie openly contemplates and speculates that it's simply impossible to have such an explosion from HER bomb,
No she doesn't. This is simply a lie.
Look, you fucking retard, do you acknowledge that the explosion that Avalanche sees is the explosion of the Mako Reactor or do you think it's from the tiny little bomb they carried inside and set up next to the reactor?

>subsequent parts won't take as much time now that the groundwork has been done
>Midgar is an enclosed space and a single location
>Kalm, Midgar Zolom marshes, Mithril Cave, Fort Condor, Yuffie forest and Junon are all separate standalone locations
>don't forget the world map
>won't take as much time

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THEY NEVER INTENDED TO DESTROY THE REACTOR, IMBECILE. JUST TO TURN IT OFF BY BOMBING THE CONTROLS/MAINFRAME.

Original Avalanche tried that in Before Crisis, but failed. Barret's team is Avalanche 2 and he's simply repeating the attempt of what the Avalanche's creator couldn't achieve.

Groundwork meaning fundamental things like the combat system and all that, from here on they just need to build new stuff on this foundation instead of making a game from scratch. And yes you really didn't spend all that much time in most of those locations, you're especially reaching calling the "Yuffie forest", it's own location on the same level as Junon or something, you literally just had an encounter with Yuffie when you went through some trees in the overworld and that was it.

"This mission was a success,
But don't get lazy now."
t.-Barret after they get off the train following the reactor bombing.
Does that sound like someone who didn't intend to destroy the reactor to you?

"Heh, heh...Cloud!
We'll do even better next time."
t.-Biggs, on the train after the reactor explosion.
Does that sound like someone who just watched a building explode when they never intended it to?

There is s a lot of dialog following the reactor explosion. NONE of it suggests that Avalanche saw something they did not intend to happen occur. The only person who is surprised at all is Jessie and she's surprised by how the reactor went when it blew, not that it blew up at all. Someone who just killed dozens accidentally doesn't take pride in their little bomb's debut.