Why were the GTA V antagonists so forgettable? I played both it and IV only a couple of years apart but for the life of me I couldn't remember anything the guys had done, or their names.
You could attribute it to the rising importance that Rockstar has given to realism in the main story, but GTA IV's antagonists were great, so what really happened here?
I remember Sonny the most
i genuinely can't remember a single one aside from that poor cunt that got turned into hamburger meat from the jet engine and i don't even remember who she was or why she was a villain. was she even a fucking villain? i don't goddamn remember
I think she was just some guy's secretary wasn't she? I remember being kinda taken aback with how violent her death was, it reminded me of how CJ totally buried some construction worker alive for catcalling his sister.
Michael is the villain, all of the FIB/IAA involvement in the story is solely because of his actions after the Yankton robbery.
Because the games are not about the antagonists.
I would argue that big smoke is pretty memorable since there are a ton of memes related to him.
Wasn’t Trevor the antagonist of Michaels story?
You’re right man, I can’t really remember an antagonist. I know there was some black guy who grew up in the hood with the black protagonist and then betrays him also. I don’t remember if he was the main antagonist of that characters arc though.
You're thinking of SA.
I appreciate the take on the story but Rockstar obviously doesn't seem to think so since the canon ending is option C, where everything ends just fine and they all go back to loving eachother
Billy Grey did nothing wrong
Because there were too many, and none of them got very much screen time. The mexican dude makes you do a heist, then fucks off. Stretch sends Lamarr on a fake deal to kill him, then fucks off. The rich dude tries to steal micheals movie, then sends merryweather guys, to his house, and then fucks off. Trevor has no antagonist he doesn't immediately kill. The chinese kidnap micheal, then fuck off. The only guy who repeatedly shows up as an antagonist is the fbi dude.
Billy's a fucking snitch.
> The only guy who repeatedly shows up as an antagonist is the fbi dude.
Ah yes, the poor man's Toreno
You mean like the GTA 4 antagonists? At least 5 had FBI man and that billionaire. And the cult guy.
What did 4 even have? Some slavs that all sounded and looked the same.
I liked Dimitri but his "boss fight" was underwhelming. There were much harder fights throughout the game.
You didnt pay the fuck attention then you tard
God GTA V is shit. That triple player character shit was a terrible idea.
I think it was a good idea, but they should have figured out while writing the script that they weren't going to be able to give ANYONE enough screen-time to make them great characters. Everyone's plot just kind of scatters into the wind, things happen too fast, side characters are almost non-existent and quickly disappear themselves... call me a faggot but I was sort of interested in Michael's family and would have liked to be able to spend time with all of them.
Tenpenny was the only good one. I dont even remember 4, never played 5 but the rest in the classic games betray you "just because" with no motivation.
>Why were the GTA V antagonists so forgettable?
They weren't. Trevor and Michael were epic and Franklin was so bad that you couldn't forget his lack of everything.
It was beautifully implemented, you can't deny that.
I liked Ray Boccino from GTA IV. Rocko Pelosi from Gay Tony was also pretty enjoyable, but only because those two had some sass that made them stand out beyond typical GTA fuckery.
Also, Lance Vance wasn't forgettable, he was with you for the entire Goddamn game.
It wasn't though. It was extremely jarring.
No, Trevor was the villain. He has always been an abusive monster and Michael got involved with the Feds to escape from him. And it's not like he decided to do with all by himself, he just had that opportunity to escape from the monster, little did he know that the monster would come back.
It was subtle but it was there.
I remember perfectly the Fed and the Business Man, they were memorable but underused. I guess because of the three protagonists.
>That triple player character shit was a terrible idea.
No, the black character with no personality was a terrible idea.
There's no excuse for betraying a friend, if you think they are so dangerous that you need to escape from them then you need to do the dirty work yourself and not start an inevitable chain reaction by conspiring with a spook. You don't have to like him but Trevor is morally in the right.
Trevor spends 90% of the game chimping out on random people, including people who helped him, Michael should have put a bullet in the back of his head and left him in Yankton, christ.
I literally cannot remember anyone's names except Michael Franklin and Trevor. When I think about it I remember the cameo appearances like Johnny and Packie and I think Michael's wife's name was Amanda and his daughter was Stacey.
What the fuck
GTA 5 itself was forgettable.
He is good at killing other degenerates though, a neutral mediator who leans a tad to the evil side.
Because Micheal was the real antagonist.
Now that I think about it, DLC could have really helped flesh out the storyline. Too bad Rockstar realized they can literally do no wrong when it comes to online GTA.
>Trevor is morally in the right.
I like him but he isn't.
Also Michael had some sort of Stockholm syndrome and he felt bad about betraying Trevor. That's White guilt.
And keep in mind that he did it also for his family.
Michael was 100% right.
Because Dan Houser
How do people not get Trevor and Michael are both the main villain and ending A is the best and most real ending? I mean remember when Trevor broke into that guys house and murdered the whole family or when he killed that GTA4 dude after cucking him how can you think an ending with him running around is good?
>You always liked gasoline, Trevor!
>Man, that was your best fucking friend!
> Fuck you. Aahh! You know what, tough guy? It's... it's time you grow the fuck up. I mean, I admit I'm a bad piece of work. But that guy? That piece of shit! No boundaries. No sense of when to back off. No nothing! Twenty four seven insanity! Day in and day out! All the time! Never regretted nothing. Never cared for nothing. Well, fuck him. I mean... there's gotta be a limit, kid. You know? A point where even assholes like us say enough is e-fucking-nough. Human stew... that's my limit. I know that now.
>I guess that's that then.
>You know, if there is one thing that I have learned, it is that we must obey the rules of the game. We can pick the game, Niko Bellic. But we cannot change the rules.
Dima is the best antagonist R* ever wrote
I'd argue that unless they show up every 15 minutes they're forgettable. Phone calls don't count and plot twist villans are stupid so they don't count.
been replaying IV in the last couple of weeks, I forgot how fucking kino the Darko scene was
although I'm gonna be honest, the only GTA villain I find to be actually memorable is Big Smoke, but I think that might have to do more with all the memes surrounding the game
i agree trevor deserved to die and i was tempted to do it but the two endings other than death wish are lackluster in comparison to it and provide very little closure
plus trevor has a stranger mission after beating the game so having him dead makes you miss out on shit
isn't death wish the canon choice as well?
>Canon
>After GTAO
Online is the new main timeline, it is connected to RDR2.
>Online is the new main timeline, it is connected to RDR2.
No it doesn't.
Liberty City and New York can't coexist. Period.
shieet, rundown? haven't touched the game since 2017
They didn't have enough screentime. That's what it boils down to, really. Tenpenny and Dimitri regularly fuck with you throughout the game.
>easter egg cross-promotion ARG bullshit
Sorry to break it to you, user, but those basketball players advertising boner pills aren't medical professionals.
>it doesn't count because I say so
???
>Franklin was so bad
What was bad about him?
Also, Brucie sells BST to your character, Tony X(formerly Gay Tony) runs your nightclub, and Packie appears in one Heist, Jimmy De Santa works on your Arcade and Lester is basically your employer, V sp is old news.
His non personality.
it was, but it made me not care about any of the characters
V sp also takes place in 2013.
GTAO, one of the bunker missions, Agent 14 literally references the year. Of course, it was 2017 when that shit came out, but you know.
His entire arc was " I want to make money and move out of the ghetto". That happened a a third into the game and from there on out he was only still in the game because they needed him for the ending.
Vlad, Faustin, Dmitri, Bulgarin, Pegorino, and even Playboy X are all way more memorable than any sort of antagonist in V.
People gotta stop comparing Franklin to Trevor and Michael and seeing him as more of a straightman or a character to self-insert into the story. There's nothing inherently wrong about his lack of characterization just because he doesn't go through a typical character arc
Overshadowed by Michael, Trevor, and even Lamar.
Also scumbag Ray Boccino.
Ah, OK, but GTAO is way beyond that point now, the Diamond Casino further proves they left sp behind.
For sure.
Only good antagonist V has given us came in Online. Avery Duggan is a real son of a bitch.
Clifford shit was stupid, and it would have been cool if Bogdan was actually a big bad.
>FBI man
Who?
>billionaire
Who?
>cult guy
Who?
His death in the Revenge is satisfying and kino AF
Hands down. IV and it's DLC are Rockstars best writing. Probably vidya's best writing, not that the bar is high.
And his whole motivation to do that is to try to win back someone that has zero interest in him anymore. Franklin's arc is less "money chaser" and more "sad sack".