What's so complicated about this game that makes people not understand it?

shit ui
there's a reason why smartphones are so ubiquitous in society, the ui is incredibly intuitive and easy to use

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I'm extremely annoyed that DF somehow tricked normies into thinking every single game that uses ASCII is some super complex imperceptible mega autism game even when DF itself isn't that complex, just very sloppy.

>smartphones
We should probably set the bar a little higher. Even chimps can navigate smartphones.

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what a clusterfuck. what's the appeal? being a hipster?

Nothing.
Dwarf fortress isn't "ASCII" in the real sense. It's not text. It's pictures of text, and you can change those pictures to be anything you want, the neckbeard behind the game is just too autistic to spend 5 minutes in paint making sprites.

Being contrary and a smug sense of self value when posting also knowing that they are truly the most autistic of gamers even winning over the likes of grand strategy players.

It is not complexity, it is the lack of UI and the fact that even doing the smallest of the things is a chore. This is why rimworld made a truckload of cash while zach can't even afford surgery.
Give me the steam version with tiles and a real UI and we will talk.

I always figured he was using the ASCII characters as stand-ins and was planning on replacing everything before people started making tilesets for him.

ASCII is better at conveying information than sprites.

Possibly. The steam version would indicate that, but, at any point he could have just used one of the many tilesets which exists as a stand-in.

That's an argument in favor of smartphone design.

It's really not. Smartphones do not display a lot of information. You are asking for something that displays a level of information that chimps can process. ASCII is not the problem, your chimp brain is.

The soon to be released on steam version begs to differ

Is he making the tileset on the steam version, or did he outsource it?

I still don't know how to make a roof

They hired artists.

why does the game pause when I'm navigating the menu

dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/40d:Mega_construction#Floor.2Froof_tiles

Try reading the wiki.

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Just imagine if we could harness the combined autism that went into making the game and people learning to play it. All the wonderful things we could accomplish.

Build a ramp next to a wall then build a floor on the next z level

I literally typed roof into the wiki search and I never found this

The UI is honestly dogshit and I still hate it even after sinking 1000 hours into dorf

is there a world adjacent to ours filled with cunny?

I just typed "dwarf fortress wiki roof" into google search. It's more specific that way

Yas Forums is low IQ and needs an MacOS interface to play games

According to the many worlds theory, there's a reality out there where you are currently fucking all the loli pussy you could ever want

No one knows for sure but we can only hope.

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which is why the infinite reality theory is retarded. If every possibilty is a universe then there is a universe that doesnt actually exist but at the same time exists but that's a paradox universe and thus retarded

If you have to read a wiki to play a game, it's a shitty game

>Building a small strip of flooring costs 1 stone.
>Building a block that fills an entire tile is 1 stone too.
Wow, so hardcore.

just read the mcfucking menu

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You don't have to read it. It's just there for retards. Kind of like how you go to gamefaqs for all your braindead weeb games.

no i cant read motherfucker. What are you some sort of reading racist?

>Smartphones do not display a lot of information.
They're capable of displaying lots of information, but not all at once. That's good UI design, nigger.
Not putting you on blast with every detail all at once and leaving it up to you to make the third party programs to parse it

I ride the reading rainbow, cocksucker

I don't believe you played this game without ever looking at the wiki

FPBP

sorry meant to say brainlet UI design

to be fair, how are you supposed to know how soap is made unless you're autistic enough to look it up before you played this?

>If every possible universe exists then this impossible universe should exist

Lack of 3D spacial reperesentation.

Yes that is literally it.

This all or nothing thinking is tedious.
When the tutorial gets put into the game, it would just be the same shit in all these guides and references.

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if all possibilites universes exist, then there would be a universe where a cute loli reality warper knew about me posting right now and teleported here this second to ram herself onto my cock. since that didnt happen, its bullshit

Infinity reality theory says your a faggots, but then it also says I'm a faggot, it also says there is a reality where we are being faggots together.
Infinity reality theory is pretty fucking gay.

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I tried it for a bit but found the map noisy as fuck and every single menu uses a completely different control scheme.

>implying even extradimensional vaginas want to be near you

It's way harder to find a really good embark location than it is to actually play the game.

One drawbridge across the entrances to the fortress so they can raise and make a wall, along with a small channel under it, makes fortresses practically invasion-proof.

It is more that the UI fucking sucks.

No the reason smartphones are everywhere because that is what companies make.

I don't want to play DF but I like to look at the maps for long periods of time.

who's the retard who wrote this comment?

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The game is just full of unintuitive shit. Take for example basically all of those rooms carved out. They look pretty close to squares, but due to the height to width ratio, those rooms are nearly twice as long horizontally. Building like that is a noob giveaway. It's mostly irrelevant, sure, but so is most of what you can do in the game. It's a good symbol.

the way you learn the game is by losing it over and over and over again. most people don't find that fun.

personally it's just the learning curve and trying to figure out what the hell is going on half the time, like yeah i get i'm gonna keep getting my shit kicked until i have an idea and then end up enjoying the experience, but every single time i try and make any headway it just get's frustrating trying to figure out the most basic shit only to rewatch a 45 minute tutorial that i'll forget 60% of in twenty minutes.

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It's a menu-based, keyboard only game using Rougelike ASCII graphics, and a deep and inexplicably intricate simulation compared to most games.
Most importantly though, Toady makes this game for himself. It's not made for others, much less mass consumption. It is a reflection on the kinds of games he grew up with of a bygone era.
As long as he can subsist on the patronage of other people that admire and enjoy what he made, DF development will always steer away from most of the things people will bring up ITT.

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>but not all at once
it needs to be displayed all at once, retard. if they replaced the list with shiny app pictures you'd navigate it no problem because you're a dumb zoomer nigger and your neural pathways associated with verbal intelligence have completely atrophied.

im sick of this shit. this board is unironically the worst place on the internet for video games.

Because if I wanted to learn what a million different symbols mean I'd learn japanese.

you have unlimited time to figure things out. don't use a tutorial. just do it yourself and look things up on the wiki if you are really confused.
>watch a 45 minute tutorial that i'll forget 60% of in twenty minutes.
this is not normal, maybe you should take a break from video games and shitposting

Garbage ass user interface, if you can even call it that

its not like learning a second language. you are just associating pictures with things. there is no difference between associating "f" with cat and a drawing of a cat with cat

guess i'll just keep pushing along until i figure it out some day because it seems like a game i'd genuinely enjoy if i figured out some of the most basic shit.