We should have been able to join him

Because his motives are honorable and he's arguably not the villain. Also he has very cool lore behind him that's not just "the devil" or "Nidhogg 2.0".

We should have been able to do all the things we could say we'd do in the dialog with him.
Giant robot wouldn't have really worked with the game, but making yourself a god would've been pretty cool.

He's a god.

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Voryn Dagoth did nothing wrong, he did what Nerevar asked and was cut down by the tribunal.
He also chimmed but not really, instead of seeing that he was apart of the dream he realised he was the dream and if allowed to live all of existence would have become a part of Lord Dagoth.

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Was he the closest anyone got to Amaranth?

Him and Vivec were definitely tied. But in the end canonically speaking, the Nerevarine, Dragonborn, Hero of Kvatch, and all the other protagonists of Elder Scrolls games are the true Amaranths because of modding.

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As every other user has said, he's fairly nuanced and tragic for a video game villain. But he's also an extremely delusional and insane megalomaniac which makes him very entertaining, and because of this he's very quotable and his goals are pretty hilariously extreme and existentially radical.

>unironically believing anyone was loyal

Everybody murdered Nerevar

The only guy who didn't betray you in your previous life (assuming you had one, this is a bit of a complex story).
Unfortunately also completely insane by the time you meet him, exactly because he didn't betray you.
The people who did betray you had pretty great lives too, and you likely have to work with them to kill him off since leaving him alone will fuck up reality hard.

play morrowind multiplayer

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Do you have the one with Cyrodiils rice based economy?

This one?

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Daily reminder

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I wish people didn't treat that one retelling of the Battle of Red Mountain as canon. There's no real or true fucking way it went down, it was a Dragon Break. Dagoth Ur is as much of a trator as Voryn Dagoth isn't a traitor, you can't really say that it happened one way or another.

Also, joining him is a pretty fucking absurd idea. How do you join a virus? How do you gain distinction in this newfound world where everyone's corprus'd to fuck because Ur's off subconsciously installing himself onto the world as Neo-Godhead?

Man everytime i see TES lore i want to play the games but then i actually play the games and the combat is atrociously bad, like probably some of the least exciting combat action i've ever seen in my life

I would kill for a turn-based isometric version of Morrowind and Oblivion

By working to increase his influence and having missions around that with your ultimate ending being assimilated by him? Think outside the box dummy. I've seen you make this same stupid comment every time this gets suggested.

Morrowind's combat is the best combat in all Elder Scrolls. Getting rid of stat based hit/miss chances was the beginning of the end of Elder Scrolls. Don't @ me.

Thanks

I can't even remember Oblivion and Skyrim's final bosses.

Oblivion's final boss was a cutscene, I dunno what skyrim's was. I never finished that snoozefest

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how?

What's up with his anti-CHIM? Shouldn't CHIM CHIM CHAROO have only two results? You realize that this is a dream and ascends or turns into dream poof.
If dagoth's CHIM happened this means there could be other ways of CHIMing and shit can get very weird depending on how they understand the concept of their existences.

Dagoth essentially CHIM'd but then he wanted the CHIM for his own rather than elevating himself beyond the CHIM. In his defense he was only being loyal to his friend and his people and trying to undo the work of traitors.

>he's arguably not the villain
How can you argue this?

No, from a gameplay perspective it makes no sense. Unless you're literally doing Kirkbride-tier lore reading in-universe, you'd have to do big-ass leaps to connect the outward 6th house message of Dunmeri restoration with the weird shit that the dreamers go through. Also, it's not quite assimilation as much as changing the godhead and it's all rooted in insanity.

Through his qualities of being a loyal and honest friend and having his motivations stay consistent. It's the same shit as the Ashen One in Dark Souls 3. The world is fucked up and held on by the strings of liars and mutilators that don't resemble anything about the glories of the past. The world should move on from them and evolve to a new form. That's essentially what Dagoth wanted as well.

And none of that stops it from being a viable avenue for gameplay, that's the point. Your head is too far up your own ass to see that, and you'd rather spout lore facts continuously so you can huff your own farts. No one gives a shit buddy.

>Bug Jar Inscriptions
TELL ME, I MUST KNOW

Bring Wraithguard, I have need of it.

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It's more anti-CHIM in the sense that instead of coming to the conclusion that "I am just a fragment of a dreamer" it's the conclusion that "I am the dreamer and everything else is just fragments of me"

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Why is Skyrim so fucking boring?

Oh, I think I get it now, thanks anons. Dude just CHIM'd and was rewritting everything in his image without fully realising its power.
This also means Dagoth didn't really die because his famous words could also will him alive without needing Lorkhan's power, right?

Dagoth Ur does not have CHIM. It's not 'anti-chim' , it's just a phrase someone used to try and describe what he does.
CHIM itself is not knowing you are part of a dream. CHIM involves a few concepts, seeing the 'I' of the Godhead (observing the wheel from the outside), NOT giving up on your existence (i.e. maintaining your realness in the dream) and acceping that I AM AND I ARE ALL WE, which requires Loving everyone else.

"Anti-CHIM" is a fan theory that people use to try and explain Dagoth Ur's odd state. Because he's an odd mixture of being dead but Awake and not present on mundus, he is in the position to observe the Aurbic wheel, but he can only see it from its hub and it appears to be coming from himself. He doesn't really know how the dream works but instead sees himself as its source. It's not really CHIM, it's more like a very aggressive solipsistic virus.

I'M SIPPIN LEAN AND I FEEL LIKE I'M NEREVAR

No, to CHIM you have to realize the full power. He knew the full power. He was basically becoming the new Godhead. It's Nirvana mixed with extreme solipsism.

He did die, or rather, he was always dead. Dagoth was killed in the struggle for the heart, but he was connected and so the heart basically kept him hanging by a thread. Like, metaphorically just barely dipping his toes into the waters of the dreamsleeve with the heart giving him a little innertube. When his dying soul dreamed, he'd project himself into Nirn, and that's why he came to the conclusion. Destroying the heart finally severed that one connection, and he fully and totally died.

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>Morrowind's combat is the best combat in all Elder Scrolls. Getting rid of stat based hit/miss chances was the beginning of the end of Elder Scrolls

Is not a matter of stats, it's a matter of NPCs standing still while shooting you or just you flailing widly until they die

Shut the fuck up you have no good points to make and are just a literalist that can't think outside the box or use multiple definitions for words interchangeably.

Spoken like someone that didn't play the game. Morrowind NPCs are some of the most brutal and will kill you in an instant.

What the fuck are you on about

Your post. It's shit.

If Morrowind came out today Yas Forums would have it and call it pseudo-intellectual and then when asked for examples of games they don't consider pseudo-intellectual they would just post wojaks.

I mean Morrowind's combat in general isn't particularly good, largely because it's TOO simple. Giving it some controlled blocking would help a lot, but NPCs without OpenMW don't even have more complicated spellcasting outside of "cast highest-cost offensive spell until you run out"

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The one thing I agree with is controllable blocking. But not full on. Something that only increases your chances of the block by holding block. That would be a nice touch for sure.

I'm just going to guess melee combat in a 3D enviroment is really fucking hard to accomplish or to make fun

GV does it and it's okayish, but still not enough, mostly due to the lack of any visual feedback.

And are you really saying you're okay with them just using one offensive spell until they run out? They don't even buff themselves except in rare circumstances.

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I mean by that logic nothing stops you from killing Helseth and proclaiming yourself the King of Morrowind and then pursuing political union with the Tsaesci. That'd also be a good choice for gameplay. It's just that the game isn't really about that. An absolutely awful, kleptomaniacal, sadistic, murderous Nerevarine who walks like the Nerevarine is still the Nerevarine. The Nerevarine who sides with the Sharmat is not the Nerevarine. I'm not saying that it would be unfun or shit or anything, I'm just saying that it's like playing THUG, getting fucked by Eric Sparrow and then playing the rest of the game making skate tricks for him.

That's how all destruction spells work in all elder scrolls games. I don't even know what your actual criticism that applies to Morrowind is.

>What's exactly his deal?
OMNIPOTENT
OMNISCIENT
SOVEREIGN
IMMUTABLE

it's just a shiny toy with no real depth to it, I think. All these tombs with their stupid "puzzles" and convenient escape hatches at the ends, you go from a nobody to the chosen one in ten minutes, dragons are shitty, etc. Some neat ideas here and there but it all just blurs together, and the environments are mostly the same shit over and over with slightly adjusted shades of brown and grey.

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You're thinking of it from the perspective of having to be a Nerevarine. You don't have to. In fact the game itself always leaves out that thing open for debate. Whether you really are some dude that reincarnated will always be questionable. That's why having an ending where you can join Dagoth would be cool, especially since the game revolves around him and his Sixth House cult (unlike your tangential example only serving to hyperbolize your already shitty argument). You could also lock this ending to Dunmer classes as well if you wanted to be extra lore friendly. There was a ton of potential there and many people felt the same way.

>That's how all destruction spells work in all elder scrolls games

Nope. Even in Oblivion NPCs will mix up their spellcasting, while Skyrim NPCs will make an effort to buff themselves or use wards, and that's generally because the AI combat style object and data didn't exist in Morrowind.

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This makes sense. He was reverse dreaming into Nirn because of the heart and when it got kagrenac'd Dagoth died for real and things got back to normal, soul went fully to the dreamsleeve and all that.

So "Turning everything into Dagoth Ur" was his way to use CHIM?