Game is marketed as having an "evil" route

it's in baten kaitos

NWN mask of the betrayer had a pretty good evil route, you can have the best companion of the game and eat the whole universe because you're hungry

>Manhunt didn't sell
You seem to have weird stick up your ass about edgelords

Nobody really knew what Manhunt was. They just knew it was from the guys that made GTA. Manhunt 2's sales clearly indicate how much people enjoyed playing Manhunt 1.

Manhunt 2 was super watered down and sucked compared to 1. I loved 1 but 2 was bad and censored

Depends what you mean by "evil" because there are games where you play as Evil characters (Overlord, Dungeon Keeper) but those games are more in the "It's good to be bad" genre where the good guys are portrayed as dumb peasants and you're just smarter than them and it is much more comedic and silly.

All the Lawful Evil games I've played, you just end up killing everyone and missing out on most side quests.
Overlord marketed as being the badguy but in the end you were a goodie all along
Dungeon Keeper / Dungeons is saturday morning bad, it's better than most, but still doesn't feel fulfilling.
I'd like to play some villain games just because being the hero is so overdone, "good always wins"

Soul Nomad sold like shit though

>Game has a sort of edgy, but more direct and aggressive route
>People call it "evil"

I legitimately know people who think that Renegade in Mass Effect is evil. They fail to see that Renegade Shepard wants to save the universe, he is just less about being a nice guy and more about "Do what I say because we're all gonna get fucked otherwise"

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Yeah yeah whatever kid. Point stands, edgelords are unpopular faggots, suck it.

>Edgelords are unpopular
???? Edgelord characters are literally some of the most popular characters in the entire media industry. Batman, Vergil, Vegeta, Punisher, Sasuke. East vs West, Video games vs Comics vs Cartoons vs Manga vs Anime. People love Edgelords. They just want them in quality products (or at least, fun products).

You sound like a little bitch. I'd shove a spiked dildo up your ass if I could just to loosen you up a bit.

>game has evil choices in quests
>there's never any motivation behind the evil choices besides just being a dick

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>he is just less about being a nice guy and more about "Do what I say because we're all gonna get fucked otherwise"
Nah, it's more about the sort of character Shepard has in general which may in fact be a bad person. There's plenty of renegade shit you can do that is unrelated to the main plot. It's less to do with "This is necessary because Reapers" and more to do with "This is the way I think it should be and I'm not giving you a choice about that". There are, for example, multiple instances where you can achieve the exact same outcome using both a renegade and paragon approach and the only real difference is whether the opposition thinks Shepard is an aggressive asshole or a reasonable person who happens to have a persuasive argument. It's not particularly shocking that the general population considers an aggressive asshole who constantly threatens and uses force to get what he wants, regardless of whether there is an ultimate good to it or not, "evil". Modern society expects people to at least try to be diplomatic at first. And of course it's hard, for example, to paint slugging a female reporter in the face as necessary to prevent the threat of the Reapers. It really does just make Shepard look like a violent sociopath with a very short fuse and nothing else.

renegade shepard just comes off to me as a grown mentally man who can't conduct himself in a normal fashion and lashes out at people in response to his social shortcomings

AAA companies haven't made any real good evil games because of the social stigma against hate speech
Look at examples like rapelay and hatred and all the #cancelculture from them
8ch even got deleted because of hate speech

8ch got deleted because it was directly linked to 2 mass shootings as a result of people encouraging each other. constant gaslighting will do that

Why almost all anti-heroes must be fucking edgy.
I like concept of anti hero but most of character designers when they make hero they make "A hero but edgy as fuck".

The only well designed videogame antihero I seen was Wario.

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You people constantly come into game threads for games that have rewarding evil choices and whine why there are no rewards for being evil because you have nothing better to do

kys

It's hard to design good anti-heroes because nobody really wants to be Wario, but everyone wants to be a cool edgelord who plays by his own rules.

Renegade Shepard really comes across as a cocky asshole who makes quips as he is killing bad guys.

First I am gonna say that most of the side content in Mass Effect really makes no sense in terms of Paragon or Renegade. The fact of the matter is that most of it is literally wasting time. You're fucking around trying to decide if some woman's body should be used for scientific research instead of chasing the Geth. I will accept that many of the renegade side options can be a bit silly, but they're just as silly if you're Paragon and you really stop to think about the fact that Shepard is doing nothing but wasting time.

However, going to the main story (which is what I was primarily referring to) Renegade comes across as a lot more pragmatic than Paragon much of the time. Paragon has too much negotiating, too much posturing and tries to convince people of things when there is no time for it. Not only this but it sacrifices efficiency in the name of morals which sometimes makes sense, and other times is just flat out stupid.

Yes, it is cheap to say but Shepard literally knows better than any other person in the universe what needs to be done. Not just because he is the player character, but also because he has unique knowledge that no one else posses. He has to act to try and save everyone, and sitting there and trying to convince random people (not even important people, but random useless people) about it is totally pointless. They don't know, their opinion is useless, Shepard has to do what he has to do. Not only this, but as a Specter he is given the power to do it, and much of the time it feels like Paragon Shepard doesn't use all of the tools at his disposal.

also punching that reporter is obviously based

>to get the best ending you have to abandon your wounded friend

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>game has an evil route
>you murder everybody in your hometown, several party members, and pose such a genuine threat to the world that even the big bad villain in other routes has to team up with your former party members to destroy you

SMTIV has a nihilistic route where you make a blackhole and kill everyone. The game shows everything being destroyed then cuts to black then rolls credits

>Look at examples like rapelay and hatred and all the #cancelculture from them
Do you honestly believe AAA companies would be churning out porn games where the point is to rape children if not for "the social stigma against hate speech"? You're an idiot.

Games haven't stopped being edgy and AAA publishers haven't been that worried about whining from the press. Ubisoft got shit because Watch Dogs allowed players to commit "hate crimes". Their response was just "Yeah. We know. That was kind of the point. Anyone out there doing that shit be sure to tweet us screenshots of your shenanigans." Rockstar put in a sequence in GTAV where the player legitimately tortures someone and even gets to make a choice about which torture to use. Hatred was allowed on Steam after all. Mortal Kombat is still grotesquely graphic in its violence. There's a Friday the 13th game where players are supposed to savagely murder teenagers. None of this shit has gone away. You're complaining about shit that hasn't happened.

Based

>game has evil route
>ends up with you losing or killing multiple party members, cutting off many quests and adding nothing but it is treated as a "legitimate" option
There have been a bunch of CRPGs lately that have done this and it makes no sense to me. Why the fuck would I want to kill or sacrifice my party members even if I am evil? Wouldn't I want my lackeys?

>Manhunt, Rapelay, Hatred,
None of those have an evil "route". That is the main game retard.

For how good the story is, the game was mechanically underwhelming as shit. Doubly bad when it was being marketed as Phantom Brave 2, the game with more customizability than even the disgaea game that came after it.

>game is marketed as having "good" and "evil" routes
>both play out almost identically and lead to the same outcome

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>tfw no Loona gf
It's not fair, bros...

While I do agree that many of them are too edgy, part of being an anti-hero is generally being at least some what edgy. That is kind of the point. You're not a traditional hero and you do things by your own rules.

Obviously anti-heroes can also be comedic and greedy like Wario, but that requires a pretty specific story to work. Not like you could take Wario (or at least his personality) and drop it into various games and it will work.

Who had the best mustache?
Plus Stalin would totally beat Adolf in a fist fight.

Well it's actually horribly hard to make game where you have both good and evil routes. Sadly most of Devs just focus on good route and then they slap some small evil route just to say "look, we have evil route" but it's basically "good route but more edgy" or "achievement route".

Both routes should be designed with effort. Both routes should have different kind of rewards and have different impact of world you are in (example, when you are evil you can get rewards that seems to be bigger but you won't be welcomed in some places(like better parts of towns) and so you lose access to some shops or helpful services), both routes will have different kinds of challenges and opportunities.

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>game has an evil route
>the player character dives so far off the psychopath cliff that even the game's resident psycho asshole is scared of you
>it is implied that you're forcing characters to rape each other
>some of these characters are related
>you eat babies for fun
>you eat heroes for fun
>you eat literally the entire world for fun

I gotta be honest, I don't know much about Stalin's past but Hitler was a decorated WW1 Veteran. Though he did sustain injuries during WW1 that might impact his fighting ability. Stalin definitely has a better mustache though, Hitler's mustache looks dumb. Even before I knew who Hitler was, one of my Uncles had a Hitler stache and I thought it looked so stupid.

>even milk ape posts trans rights shit now

Soul Nomad is so fucking good

Worst random dungeon mechanic in any NIS game though.
It should get a Steam and Switch port. Makai Kingdom too.

>literally define evil choices as side content
>wonder why they are side content
wow

name a single game that does this.

I can think of several that do the opposite.

If Hitlers' injuries did cause some lasting damage it would be fair, cause Josef had a lifelong injury in his left arm when he was hit by a carriage as a child.
I see Adolf having the experience in martial abilities and the guts to do it.
its takes something to rock-off the hitler-stache while stalins' gives off a jolly grampa look.

Cave Story

>game fully fleshes out the "Evil" route
>characters who were your friends hate you
>have to see everyone die
>everything that could go wrong, goes wrong
>can't unsee the tragedy by reloading the save
>it will always be in your mind as an alternate canon

Indie games are where it's at for real evil routes. Let me share some plot from the last game I played. Boy threatens me, I plot to end him. I pay my fixer to steal his friend's phone, then use it to schedule a midnight meeting in our park. When the boy arrives expecting his friend, I ambush him and we brawl. I beat him mercilessly, he begs for his life, I decide instead of killing him to put him to work in a slave mine. Days later his girlfriend comes crying to me because he's missing, I console her, grooming her to make her mine. Later on a policeman visits me and discusses their suspicion I'm the culprit due to minor mistakes I made. They have nothing concrete so put me on notice and leave. Another day passes and I catch the boy's sister clumsily snooping around my place trying to find evidence I kidnapped him. I play it cool and pretend it's not me and offer to help her any way I can. She rejects my aid and promises she'll discover the truth. Another day passes and I get closer to the boy's girlfriend encouraging her to depend on me. Then a mistake happens and the boy's sister has discovered my secret, so the only option is to lock her up. I restrain her and lock her in a room, she'll be my slave now. She's resistant at first but under the threats of harm to her brother, she eventually obeys, and pleases me against her will. Now I have the boy working as a slave, the sister as my obedient pleasure slave, and the girlfriend emotionally bonded to me. Everything is great, except now the policeman is more suspicious and has put me on watch. I plot to end him as well, after all, I could always use another slave, especially one that can gain me access to law enforcement.
Guess the game.

I'd rather you just tell me so I can ||go buy it immediately||

Well apparently "evil" routes mans your evil characters is full edgelord or monster who can't have friends and lovers because well he's "evil'.
Why evil character act like ass to all his party member? He's not evil but retarded. "Evil character unable to have friends, feelings and relationships" is biggest nonsense.

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>Evil character unable to have friends, feelings and relationships is biggest nonsense
That's usually exactly how villains are though. Aside from lackeys that are often treated as disposable, most villains are highly individualistic.

Antihero doesent have to be edgy. And you don't need goofy story for that.
And you don't have to be edgy to follow own rules.

Antihero doesent have to wear black, be shadow assasin type and constantly talk about death, misery, torment and other edgy shit.

It's all about motives and personality.

Hero will save world because he is an hero and he wants to do good things even without reward.
Anti-hero will save the world only when he has reason to do (maybe he can get money from that, maybe villain pissed him off and so he wants to beat shit out of him etc.)

Hero will be allways meant to be good, flawless. Have honor. He won't disrespect his enemies and he won't play dirty.

Anti-hero can be a dick to others, be greedy, fight dirty. And flood his enemies with unhealthy amount of insults before attacking them. And he will do evil things when it will help him reach goals (but antihero is not evil so he won't do that kind of stuff just for enjoyment).

Rance is pretty much great anti-hero as example

Yup he is clearly an antihero.

>embrace the edge
>game starts moralfagging you out of being a dark hero with emotionally manipulative bullshit

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