>Chaos, a popular character from a popular game, doesn't bother to appear in Spin-offs, appears only in cutscene in one new game
>Mephiles, well liked character stuck in a shitty game. gets nothing
>Zavok, not even popular in his own group and from a shitty game
>Team Sonic Racing, Mario and Sonic Rio, Mario and Sonic Tokyo, Sonic Forces
Chaos, a popular character from a popular game, doesn't bother to appear in Spin-offs...
Ayden Robinson
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Aaron Gonzalez
They want to make the D6 work, and it's easy to see why. They'd be great for slapstick antics.
Alexander Perez
Sega mismanaging the Sonic brand? Say it ain't so.
Jason Reyes
>Chaos
His story arc was resolved in Adventure 1, if he came back as a villain it'd be a slap in the face. Akin to if they brought back Gamma.
Speaking of which, Battle has Chaos playable, as does Adventure 2, and he came back as Perfect Chaos for Generations. It's not like he's forgotten. But seriously, can you imagine Chaos doing the 100m dash?
>Mephiles
Retconned out of existence by Sonic 06 itself.
Neither of these characters would really fit the Olympics games. TSR, maybe.
Yet they only bring back Zavok. If anything, they should bring Zazz and Zeena along too.
Gavin Torres
They should, but these games are pumped out on tight deadlines with no budget. Catch-22, Sonic games are shit because Sonic games are shit.
More ire should be directed to the retard who writes the comics: he can do whatever he wants every month, and his idea of winning people over on the Deadly Six is to keep insisting they are badass and formidable.
Nicholas Cruz
Sonic Team is run by legitimate autists, how haven't you caught on by now?
Logan Myers
>We want the Bowser audience
Owen Lee
fucker looks like Inceniroar
Jackson Barnes
Nobody cares about comic books.
Charles Stewart
Zavok is the sexiest
Jaxon Parker
I'm just looking at the horns, the spiked bracelets, the bushy eyebrow and hair, and his general bodyshape.
Carson Rivera
>Retconned out of existence by Sonic 06
And yet silver is back in forces even though he shouldn't know anyone.
Sebastian Wright
>Best boy Zazz is relegated to Sonic Dash
Mason Long
Whether or not Ian is still up to par, he very likely has major mandates telling him exactly who he must and can't use thanks to the new IDW contract.
Jayden Fisher
Zavok is a chump, they can safely invite him to go karting and Olympics without the threat of mass murder, unlike Chaos and Mephiles.
Blake Jenkins
I seriously hope you're not enjoying and supporting IDW Sonic.
Leo Reed
>Chaos
He died
>Mephiles, well liked character
:/
Lincoln Myers
I'm sick of this lame ass excuse.
Everyone who works on comics they don't own full rights to has to abide by "mandates" from the owners. This isn't a special case. Sega reps aren't breathing down his neck telling him that he must write trite, poorly executed stories and that the Deadly Six cannot be used outside of big events where they are SO MENACING YOU GUYS. How many more years are we going to lean on this flimsy justification? How many more outside writers have to come in, write a single story that avoids Ian's mistakes, and leave before we can accept that the problem isn't Sega?
John Gonzalez
I agree that Ian is an awful writer, but that still doesn't excuse mandates, and it would be preferable to not have any of them in effect.
Jaxon Murphy
You're buying into a fandom scapegoat. EVERY licensed piece of media has orders from on high. It's part of the process. Stop pointing at this abstract idea of "mandates" unless you are sure of what you're specifically referencing.
Asher Collins
Shut the fuck up, Penders.
Jaxson Moore
But Sega did get a lot tighter with the noose after the Archie fiasco. They implemented shit like the following: Sonic must always win, Amy can only have a crush on Sonic, SEGA characters must be ageless, SEGA characters can't die, and the comics must follow game canon.
Carson Morgan
>You're buying into a fandom scapegoat.
I have just said that I agree Ian is awful, so impossible. Both mandates and bad writings, on top of delays and lack of effort at shaping up an unique brand for the comic, are the main problems. There's tons of, not just one issue that's hogging the quality.
>EVERY licensed piece of media has orders from on high
Which I'm certain they have a lesser amount of mandates than that of IDW Sonic. In any case, still doesn't excuse the mandates, no matter in what licensed franchise, as their main function is for simply preventing their brand to go "off-brand".
There's a reason some people prefer more the comic characters than the game ones.
>this abstract idea of "mandates" unless you are sure of what you're specifically referencing.
No one, none whatsoever knows anything about mandates other than they exist. I only want to express my point that is mandates are bad, and that they should be gone.
Gabriel Morales
First, none of those are new things.
Second
>Sonic must always win
Yeah? Duh? It's an advertisement. What would Sonic utterly failing (he's allowed to not win, he just can't be irrevocably defeated) add?
>Amy can only have a crush on Sonic, SEGA characters must be ageless, SEGA characters can't die, and the comics must follow game canon
So...characters have to stay in character. Why is this somehow a detriment that facilitates bad storytelling? You could make similar statements about Otto Binder's Superman, but those are great comics. Why does an inability to change the status quo dramatically for a series not meant to end mean the company is holding the comic back?
Easton Walker
Zeena is the only member people will ever care about at all but they pretend she isn't real
Julian Cruz
>I have just said that I agree Ian is awful, so impossible.
No? You can think a writer is bad and still believe in a scapegoat.
>Which I'm certain they have a lesser amount of mandates than that of IDW Sonic.
Based on...?
>In any case, still doesn't excuse the mandates, no matter in what licensed franchise, as their main function is for simply preventing their brand to go "off-brand".
Yeah, that's kind of the point. You use a brand to boost visibility and sell comics, the licensing company benefits from advertising. The company dictates guidelines to keep the brand recognizable and appealing, perpetuating sales and exposure, and the writer is tasked with making stories that will keep the book sustainable without making it undesirable for the licensor. Weird stories are pitched occasionally and sometimes given a shot as their own thing or "non-canon" material. If the licensor doesn't like your idea there's nothing stopping you from just telling it without the brand name. See: Supreme.
>No one, none whatsoever knows anything about mandates other than they exist. I only want to express my point that is mandates are bad, and that they should be gone.
You're proving my point. You're saying "THING BAD" with no idea of what it entails or why it is in place. You're accepting a scapegoat, a convenient target for blaming problems, instead of actually considering if you have any idea what you're talking about. Instead of trying to assess if things are harming storytelling, you start from the premise that they must by their very nature. By your logic "Sonic can not rape Tails" is not a rule that should exist.
Angel Adams
>Sega reps aren't breathing down his neck telling him that he must write trite, poorly executed stories
Knowing Sega, that's probably exactly what they're doing.
Gavin Johnson
Problem is they cemented Zavok at this dude who hates fun and wants to kill. Bowser is dude who wants to rule and will have a blast with it. If that really is Sega's goal, they're far from it.
Levi Perez
She and the other could good, hell, I wonder what they'ed be like in a cartoon?
Michael Walker
Based on the fact that Cavan Scott wrote a good story last year, I doubt it. Everything we ever hear of being nixed by Sega since the new book launched is stuff like "Shadow jobs to zombies" and "Gemerl speaks like Emerl."
Jaxson Allen
I actually like the Deadly Six, if only because of their contribution to the plot of Sonic Lost World.
Aiden Smith
Shadow the Hedgehog's a bitch ass motherfucker. He pissed on my fucking wife. That's right, he took his hedgehog fucking quilly dick out and he pissed on my fucking wife and he said his dick was "this big" and I said "that's disgusting".
So I'm making a callout post on my twitter dot com: Shadow the Hedgehog, you got a small dick, its the size of this walnut except way smaller. And guess what? Here's what my dong looks like. That's right baby, all point, no quills, no pillows, look at that it looks like two balls and a bong.
He fucked my wife so guess what? I'm gonna fuck the Earth. That's right this is what you get, MY SUPER LASER PISS. Except I'm not pissing on the Earth, I'm gonna go higher, I'M PISSING ON THE MOON. HOW DO YOU LIKE THAT OBAMA, I PISSED ON THE MOON YOU IDIOT!
You have twenty-three hours before the piss drop-el-ets hit the fucking Earth, now get out of my fucking sight, before I piss on you too.
Jace Green
for some reason zazz is in sonic dash, the mobile game, and he's the only boss besides eggman too
Thomas Sanders
Thanks Jim, but I was breastfed.
Jaxon Turner
>doesn't bother to appear in Spin-offs
To be fair he was playable in battle.
Bentley Mitchell
>people like Mephiles
Why? How? Is it because he's a hedgehog?
Leo Gonzalez
>They want to make the D6 work
Just the one guy has ever returned.
Anthony Brooks
That + Edgy/"Smart"
Remember, a lot of people even vaguely interested in Sonic have autism.
Liam Thomas
>It's an advertisement
Yes, but making the comic book lean further at advertising, which that's the job of mandates, makes it less interesting, though.
>What would Sonic utterly failing add?
It's an interesting "what-if" concept to explore, regardless adding anything or not.
>characters have to stay in character.
Just play the games, then. Comics are not your thing.
>Why is this somehow a detriment that facilitates bad storytelling?
Regardless of the said mandates, it's because it imposes prohibition, obstacles from bringing new insights, interesting explorations, such things that allow fleshing out, expanding the personality for the characters.
>You could make similar statements about Otto Binder's Superman
Capeshit should never be an example of good storytelling, but whatever.
>inability to change the status quo dramatically for a series not meant to end
Making changes at status quo doesn't instantly means the series has to end. It can still proceed to have new issues while kicking off with a new status quo. Not that I agree with Ian's way of changing status quo, but I still stand by my point.
Jackson Flores
Does Mephiles even count as smart? His plan makes no sense.
Kayden Collins
Apparently someone out there does
youtu.be
Zazz is the only other one they're willing to reuse and prior to the release of Lost World he was used a lot
Zachary Baker
Logan Reyes
>Comics are not your thing.
Oh, you're way more into comics than I am? What do you look for in comic books? Who are your favorite writer-artists? I think I'm most drawn to Evan Dorkin, but you can never get over classics like Tezuka and Herge. Are you more partial to B&W, digital or old school CYMK? I've always been a fan of black and white with screen tones and hatching myself, but that's because I read a lot of manga as a kid. What's your favorite genre? Your favorite books? Do you prefer heavy line weights or thins for standard panels in cartoony settings? Can you deal with digital or is paper a must have to really get a sense for things? What's the longest thing you ever collected?
Jeremiah Martinez
I only like Mephiles because he has a great cutscene theme & a very good voice. Dan Green's best voicework easily.
Jeremiah Moore
They need a big guy to fill out Sonic's villain lineup. That's literally it.
Honestly I dont mind him as a lackey boss, he's totally fine. He's no Chaos or Metal Sonic but why does he assblast so many people?
Joshua Murphy
Wow, you got butthurt or something?
Elijah Gonzalez
All he needed was to make a girl cry, and well it worked
Dylan Phillips
>Capeshit should never be an example of good storytelling, but whatever.
>Dissing Otto Binder, of all fucking people.
>While trying to argue about Sonic the Hedgehog comic books.
Carson Thompson
Capeshit is still capeshit, no matter the writer.
Adrian Flores
Actually, can someone explain what Infinite's deal was? There has to be someone in here who played Forces. Was he set up in Mania like people theorized? Why was he so fucking edgy? I remember people were actually thinking he could be a revived Mephiles or something of that nature but doesn't he just get pushed out of the way for Robotnik?
Matthew Brown
No, I'm asking you questions. If comics aren't my thing then they must be yours, right? Do you not want to discuss comic books?
My point is that you're acting like a faggot. Someone having a different opinion than you doesn't mean they're disinterested in your hobby. I'm not going to tell you that Sonic isn't your thing despite you arguing that "Sonic should stay in character" is a bad thing to enforce in a Sonic the Hedgehog product.
Jason Robinson
He was some dude butthurt Shadow kicked his ass
Christian Jones
Okay so here it goes
>The gem in Mania was one of a bunch of unstable prototypes of a superweapon Eggman made that allowed its user to bend reality temporarily
>While he was researching it, he hired a team of edgy Jackal mercenaries to guard it
>They all fail because Shadow
>Shadow beats up Infinite and calls him a weak-ass bitch
>Infinite starts crying and shitting and screaming about not being weak
>Eggman puts ruby on his chest
>Does everything to prove he isn't weak to shadow, I guess
>does nothing all game and dies
The end
Nathaniel Butler
>Amy can only have a crush on Sonic
Was this because Ken made a twitter post about Amy cumming for knuckles or am I misremembering
Dominic Cooper
>He says, while trying to argue about the deep literary potential of Sonic the Hedgehog comic books.
This is autism or some top tier bait.
They're both dumb shit for kids. Do you not have any self-awareness?
Camden Mitchell
He was a mercenary for Eggman
He got his ass kicked & called weak by Shadow
He wanted revenge
Got a phantom ruby shoved into its ass by Eggman and now he's just a jobber who gets beaten a bunch of times and goes away
He never really stops being pathetic in his attempts to be a big shot. It's almost a metaphor on the state of Sonic.
Nothing to do Mephiles. Mephiles is more like someone trying to manipulate dumb characters with convoluted, retarded plans in a non sensical story.
Joseph Phillips
Oh damn what a scrub, I thought he had more of a villain role but he's basically just a henchman. That's pretty lame. Well thanks for the info.
Ian Lewis
What about Mecha? Or I’d rather have Black Doom come back, at least you could do something interesting with him being Shadow’s dad
Nicholas Morales
People always bring up Zavok as a shit Sonic villain, but in reality Lyric was so bland and forgettable that he's literally never brought up by anyone because of how boring he was. I don't think I've ever seen any love or fanart of him before, and that's saying something for this series.
Zachary Hill
I have to be honest, I kinda lump Metal/Mecha together. I know they're not the same character but I'm a fucking casual about Sonic and forget what games they make their appearance in. I'm pretty sure I actually encountered Mecha in that fucking arcade fighting game before I played any of the 2D titles.
Nathan Cruz
>makes it less interesting
Based on what?
>It's an interesting "what-if" concept to explore, regardless adding anything or not.
Please tell me you're not trying to argue "Sega should never turn down ideas because it means more possible stories." You get that "mandates" aren't like, a list hanging on a wall right? It's stuff Sega turns down. The only way to get rid of mandates is to never reject a script.
Parker Jones
>Mecha
They don't need a second robot Sonic
>Black Doom
Shadow the Hedgehog the game is almost as big of a meme as 06.
Bentley Gonzalez
Sonic the Fighters uses Metal, not Mecha
Mecha's only big appearance in S3&K
Hunter Howard
>Chaos
His story was resolved. Unlike Shadow in the sequel, he actually stayed dead.
>Mephiles
Shit character with absurd motives and was justifiably retconned out of existence. Seriously, hold his time travelling master plan under the slightest scrutiny and Mephiles and the 06 story in general crumbles under the weight of his massive stupidity.