Is there anything legitimately wrong with gatekeeping?

It depends on if you want the community to grow larger and more active or not.

If you want the community to stagnate and slowly shrink but maintain its culture, then gatekeep.

If you want the community to grow larger and more active but at the expense of perhaps some of the culture changing, then don't gatekeep.

Generally I think gatekeeping is bad because I like my hobbies to have a lot of other people who are interested in them so I can practice the hobbies with them or talk about them together.

What happens when the hobby grows and then starts trying to gatekeep you?

If you're being really annoying and autistic about it then yes but that's true of anything. Generally gatekeeping is a good thing for maintaining the health of a community.

Depends if its "don't know super obscure detail from some forgotten spin off" gatekeeping or "don't know the bad guy's name" gatekeeping.
You don't have to know everything, and you should only be there if you actually give a shit

I can’t even think of an example of gatekeeping in vidja. It just seems like some dumb buzzword like gaslighting that gets used when ever someone disagrees with a game journo.

Are they trying to gatekeep gatekeeping?

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I think you and OP mean different things.

I remember it was used a couple times sparingly when DmC: Devil May Cry came out, though it was as you said. Mainly in insult form to mock the fans calling their game shit.

First thing that comes to mind is the Sekiro/Bloodborne easy mode controversy.
It's proof that not all gatekeeping is bad.

The downside is the risk of the hobby changing to the point of it not being comparable to its original state

>perhaps some of the culture changing
It isn't a maybe, it will change, and more often than not for the worse.

None, really.

Alongside the industrial revolution came Trade Unions, or groups of people that were responsible for dictating the rules of their practice. We wouldn't have near the medical procedure or sophistication if it weren't for gatekeeping.

If that means keeping some retarded fembot from playing her LOL RANDOM character in your D&D campaign, maybe it's a bit mundane in comparison but I think the principle stands.

The more deep and complicated your franchise is, the less gatekeeping it needs. The more superficial and easy to understand, the more it needs.

wisdom.

adding to make it look more important

>at the expense of perhaps some of the culture changing
you mean definitely all of the culture changing

Is there anything legitimately worth gatekeeping?

If you mean elitism, no. Nothing wrong whatsoever.
If casual fags want to be casual, they can stick with other casual fags.
Casuals are absolute shit, any community that has them is worse off, they should be actively kept away from any community you legitimately care about because casuals already control 90% of all spaces and they can stick to them instead of feeling entitled to that last 10% and actively ruining them.

>doublespacing
>faggot opinion
Every time.

No, there's absolutely nothing wrong with giving new players some shit and banter until they understand the ropes and the communities culture. If you don't do it then they'll never actually get it and will instead start making shitty little sub groups. Having a games current community give you shit while you learn the ropes is also the fastest way to actually get it and get into it.

I think it's the opposite, in a way. Look at D&D, iit was thought at one time that nobody other than uber nerds would take the time to learn all of that. Or they would play with a GM who knew everything and gave the rules out to their players.

Now we're well into D&D 5 and it's basically an on-rails video game RPG at this point. The complexity that made people flock to it boiled out in favor of casualized experiences. Is it more popular? sure. Does it make more money this way? Probably. Does it contain the original complexity and depth the previous versions had? Hell no.
A little gatekeeping would have gone a long way to saving it.

The best form of gatekeeping is organic gatekeeping from the gaming being difficult to get into or comprehend for normalfags. Like Dwarf Fortress, which doesn't require any artificial measures to keep people out because the game itself ousts posers. This is why casuals reee'd so hard at Sekiro because the usual crutches to allow them to stink the place up and let them pretend that they were legit were pulled out.

no.

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Gatekeeping is alright but it often turns into virtue signalling and circle jerking.
Then it becomes a shithole of whose the most IN person and everything just decays.
Hyper insular faggottry is different than just being hard to get into.
It's usually how communities die when people get fed up and leave or any new people just bounces off and never comes back.

Doctors.

no, it's important for security to properly inspect the people and goods entering your community

Yes because we still have retards on this site.

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>Is there anything legitimately wrong with gatekeeping?
No, just like there is nothing wrong with gatekeeping exclusives from PC gamers. The community suffers with sudden influxes of undesirables.

Virtue signalling and circle jerking is what happens when you don't gatekeep the game. That's how you get Overwatch.

It doesn’t exist in gaming. You choose whether to do or not to do something.

Stop trying to join /vg/ discords

The password is rage btw

>Start warframe
>No one willing to group up with newfags
>Get ripped off in trade chat
>This hardens me quickly and I start to learn through various sources knowing no one is going to baby game through anything
>Quickly get to an intermediate level where people are willing to group with me as long as I can hold my own
>Eventually become a big boy
There's absolutely nothing wrong with it, if I was coddled and treated special for being a dumb fuck newfag I would have likely not have learned the ropes as fast as I did.

>He doesn't know

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Not him, but it can work both ways.
In a way, a place like Resetera is one of the most gatekept forums on the internet. You can have gatekeeping for a specific community meant to keep the insanity inside.

We tend to think of gatekeeping as being the opposite because these types aren't interested in games and are doing it for the attention. However, that doesn't mean that they can't gatekeep just as fervently.

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You could play a previous edition

I don't think it's all that bad. There are certainly communities that have changed for the worse over time, but some games have had really open and supportive communities while still managing to keep a healthy culture. For example, I think StarCraft has managed to stay open to newcomers while keeping the friendly competitive culture. Fighting Games in general have stayed open and supporting of new players while also enforcing a lot of aspects of their culture to this day.

Nothing is perfect of course but it's not so grim.
I use double or single spacing based on the the flow at which I want the post to be interpreted. Double spacing grants more impact to individual thoughts.

>jenna i guess
fuck this lowercase typing dont care lol attitude bullshit
fuck i hate w

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No. Infact gatekeeping is an important sub-cultural factor to avoid the destruction of conventions and rituals. You need to prove you care enough to get in.

>Is there anything legitimately wrong with being a gigantic insufferable faggot?

Depends on what you're gatekeeping. Most of the time no, but there are some autistic forms of it.

What the fuck is gatekeeping? I've seen the term used in liberal shitholes like Tumblr and Twitter but I've never actually understood what it meant.

At the end of the day it's just being rude. Is there a legitimate reason to not be rude? Some would think so, others wouldn't. I personally don't do it, and laugh at people who do. Is it morally wrong for them to gatekeep? Maybe? According to my morals it's wrong to be exclusive for no reason, but according to your morals it may be fine. My morals also allow me to make fun of you for being a gatekeeper.

I love the lowercase zoomers that say lmao after everything. They seriously think their attitude is going to make you BACK THE FUCK OFF?! because you don't wanna get laughed at on the playground.

>Men really have a hard time with the concept of giving a shit about things that they aren't even interested in.
Shocking.

No, and it should be encouraged to keep communities pure.

The smaller a community is, the more reasonable and beneficial it is to gatekeep; for a very large community, it is detrimental to gatekeep because it just turns in to nothing more than a way for worthless plebs to measure their e-peens

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I'll admit I'm pleasantly surprised Yas Forums is in general agreement with how useful gatekeeping is. Guess there's a shred of hope after all.

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>Get called a newfag even though I've been here since 2006

look at what this place has become and tell me gatekeeping is bad
shit, look at the internet in general

good point, that shit annoys me too

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This happens to me on every board I've frequented for well over a decade. It's funny.

This generation is ALL about the aloof "I'm so over this haha" attitude where everyone acts as disconnected and insincere as they can and it makes me want to kill someone.

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Gatekeeping is essential to stop the watering down of a community. This holds true to literally everything in life - you have to veto people who aren't in it for the right reasons.

I've had a Yas Forums since 2005 and never had a reddit account, yet some fag ITT implied I was reddit spacing. Kind of ironic to see an example of gatekeeping failure in this very thread.

No, Resetera is a shithole but not becouse of gatekeeping, like minded people get in and outsiders get out, its the one thing Yas Forums should copy from that place but doesn't (becouse this place is already infected)

showing a bit of sincerity could be a death sentence for young people nowadays

Well then, maybe you should stop writing like a redditor.

Literally the one thing that is unique and great about Yas Forums is that it DOESN'T enforce opinions and ideology with mod tools. Using bans for gatekeeping like you're suggesting would ruin the site.

Having individual users shit on people with gay opinions is great but we're already doing that. User driven culture is how it should be here.

I'm not going to let redditors dictate how I write. You sound like those bitches who stopped using the OK sign because of Yas Forumss successful trolling campaign

>users shit on people with gay opinions is great
i believe irony and post-irony throws a wrench in that

Telling people to learn about the hobby they want to get into before getting into it is gatekeeping

You write like a NPC

No, people should be able to embrace a set standard for their entertainment without someone who really doesn't care about it all that much demanding that it's made to cater to them.

No. It's important to remind EOPs they're subhuman.

What exactly is not having a Yas Forums and what does having or not having an account have to do whether you write like a redditor or not?

That's fucking gay. If someone wants to play a game they should be able to play a game without some fag telling them they need to behave a certain way to do so. It's a fucking game.

I mean, if they want to be a part of some group/community revolving around said game then I can understand, but otherwise that's some sad fucking shit.