Are competitive multiplayer games REALLY "competitive"? Playing against other players doesn't really test someone's skill in an effective way since everything just turns into a guessing game. I've played MOBAs, fighting games, and shooters, and none of them seem to have any semblance of ACTUAL skill and just turns into guessing what your monkeybrained opponents are going to do next. I've played a ton of singleplayer games for over a decade and completed all of them. Clearing an area in Dark Souls is skillful. Beating them in a laggy match where all you do is dodge and hit back is not.
Everyone can agree that shit like Fortnite has no skill, so why do we pretend this "esports"-shit takes any skill when it just comes down to luck?
>conditioning opponents isn't skill This is pretty much just luck, since conditioning doesn't actually MAKE someone do anything >reading tendencies isn't skill Literally the same thing but reworded >combo execution isn't skill This is the only part of fighting games that COULD potentially be considered skillful, but all of them use such an archaic input system that it rolls back around and just becomes retarded >matchup knowledge isn't skill That's not how matchup knowledge works. Look at a boss in Dark Souls or Cuphead; You generally know what they're going to do, and they throw a few twists in there, but if you're paying attention you will always clear it because they're designed to be reactable. When you throw other players into the mix, that all just goes away, since even if they're supposed to use one move in a situation, they can just use another one and ruin the whole balancing act.
Joseph Adams
>e""""sports""""fags getting defensive Imagine thinking that literal games are competitive. You realize you're playing with toys right?
Anything below something like a first to five or ten isn't primarily skill. It's just both players trying to exploit each other's lack of familiarity. Tournaments are a horrible demonstration of skill because everyone has off matches, bad matchups, and can take time warming up. Everyone handles playing in public completely differently too. It works like this even for tests in school. Some people perform better in a cozy environment listening to music. Some do better in a huge arena like setting. The construction of the FGC is very archaic and based off of what a handful of autists idealize as the best display of skill, mostly just based off of how they played the fighting games as kids (in an arcade where the second you lose your kicked off and somehow the person still there must for sure be considered superior)
Brayden Sanders
It does take skill, don't fool yourself. However what muddies the waters with fighting games specifically are tiers and match ups. Are you really a good player if you beat someone using a high tier, easy to use/win with character? Probably not. Are you really a good player if you beat someone using a character that counters theirs? Probably not.
Cameron Cooper
esports is for faggots that are too weak to play actual real physical sports so they can pretend that they're playing a sport. it's a bit sad really.
I suppose professional team sports aren't skill based either since it's only physical conditioning and a bunch of predictable jocks hurling balls back and forth too huh
And I guess chess isn't skill based since it's just pattern recognition and conditioning and a finite number of possibilities and guessing what your opponent is going to do next
Xavier Hernandez
>comparing actual globally recognized sports to tapping some keys at a computer >comparing fucking CHESS to a toy let me guess, you watch ninja right?
Thomas Taylor
Horrible bait. Look up the limb based fighting guy or the death cargo poster and try again.
Anthony Bell
Great doujins
Dylan Powell
>moving the goalpost Let me guess, you're retarded right?
Evan Perry
Fucking limb based combat I haven't seen that pasta in like six years and I still could type it out
Justin Taylor
Those fucking thighs though...
Julian Hughes
Conditioning opponents/reading tendencies/manipulating others is a skill. It's the same skill that your boss is looking for whenever they hire a manager. Except they dont call it that, but the same principals applies. You get people to do what you want whether they truely want to or not. Matchup knowledge or rather, an ability to quickly and appropriately react based on matchup knowledge is definetly a skill. Players can do something different, but surprise surprise superior matchup knowledge allows you to react to and punish that as well. Next you will tell us that shit like Football Manager or Casino games dont take skill, just because you cant understand that risk management is a skill doesnt mean it isnt one.
>Imagine thinking that literal games are competitive. You realize you're playing with toys right? Imagine thinking that literal football or soccer is competitive. You realize you're just playing with toys right?
I'm not even an esports fag, but thats a bad argument, homo.
Julian Morris
>he thinks fighting games take no skills but souls games do LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
you do understand that both take similar skills, except that in souls games the patters are made to be beaten while in FG multiplayer they're not, and there are no perfectly safe approaches to the point where you have to start thinking about risk assessment?
He doesn't actually play fighting games but probably thinks dark souls pvp is one
Camden Fisher
Souls games take skill when you're playing anything other than the shitty pvp
Angel King
Imagine thinking that being able to dodge a lunge or a slash with one or two simple timings is more skillfull than being able to answer a multitude of options with an infinite amount of possible timings.
Sure when two new players still learning, fight each other it'll be a lot of flailing around
Hunter Garcia
>online Well there's your problem.
Easton Hughes
>This is pretty much just luck, since conditioning doesn't actually MAKE someone do anything You jump at me 3 times and I DP you every single time. Are you going to jump at me again?
Ayden Turner
Just because there isn't an answer that works 100% of the time, doesn't mean that the game is completely luck based. If it were, we wouldn't see the same top players on top.
Jaxon Cruz
If it was just a guessing game then everything would end up working out equally. The same people wouldn't end up doing well in tournaments or being top of the leaderboards because statistically there'd be nothing to differenciate them.
Or maybe you think that Sonicfox is the luckiest man alive and Bernie will win the election purely because he's voting for him?
If you bought it, was it even free? Sounds like you paid $60 for it.
William Nguyen
$130
Carson Campbell
The soundtrack is digital?
Kayden Thompson
>Dark Cloud 2 nice
Easton Parker
What came with the 130$ edition? Mine was 80
Blake Rivera
>first fighting game >main Metera >win without feeling like I'm learning anything or getting better You just throw out arrows you'll win 90% of your matches in C Rank. I feel like she's a crutch and I should switch so I can learn to play the game.
Ian Sanchez
AW HELL
Elijah Hill
So all i get in this thread is OP isn't very good at fighting games and is saying that the existence of setplay makes the game skill less instead of getting good. neat
Samuel Jones
Its the deluxe edition avatars artworks and music
Anthony Rodriguez
>an area in Dark Souls is skillful. Beating them in a laggy match where all you do is dodge and hit back is not. ah yes so much skill in fighting enemies that follow a specific behavior and never react or act in unpredictable ways and btw competitive play is local, online is a bland imitation
Anthony Gutierrez
the best competitive games can only exist outside in the real world, because you aren't subject to the flawed balance made by game designers
Landon Turner
be happy that it works. once you rise in ranks you'll have to get more creative since metera isn't really the broken kind of zoner.
Lucas Russell
I honestly don't know what to do with the free shit for the gacha. I almost beat RPG mode on hard too
Adrian Collins
I fucking hate how E-sport fags are trying to include their greasy fatasses under the "athlete" label.
Just the other day I've seen some retard unironically say that MKLeo is on the same level as Kobe Bryant, since Smash and Basketball are "Both athletic sports".
William Harris
isn't e-sports just a marketing term to make it sound like serious stuff, I mean "videogames tournament" doesn't sound that cool
Brandon White
There's only a handful of translated Tera/Elin doujins, if you aren't blind you could find em in seconds.
Ethan Edwards
fighting games tournaments have been there before the term e-sports was invented, before online play was invented and they will be there when the e-sports bubble bursts
Connor Perez
>predicting your enemies behaviour doesnt require skill
congratulations OP, you could win every war in the history of mankind since they dont require skill
It's actually more for government approval when it comes to prize pools and shit. Japanese players couldn't even win real prizes and shit until they made an athlete pass that they were eligible for.
Brody Miller
No. Fuck ducks and fuck all waterfowl
Nolan Smith
Thats pretty messed up. Does the country have something against people pooling together prize money?
They have very strict gambling laws, and in its most basic definition, competing for money is technically gambling. Because of that, esports got fucked and it took a long time before they were able to win prize pools. Hell, they still can't take entry fees and add them into a prize pot because that's illegal there. Mind you, actual gambling gets around it because of the yakuza, so pachinko parlors are just as big as ever.
Brandon Nelson
>Are competitive multiplayer games REALLY "competitive"? Competitive gaming is actually casual gaming. Read this:
Jesus christ you stupid faggot, by your logic sports aren't competitive either because you can't reliably predict every single fucking factor. You dumb fuck.
Hunter Wright
So what I got from this is OP is soulbabby who think pve is skillful and think its luck to fight in fighters cause he's too smallbrained to realize that not all people play the same. Did I get it right?
That just turns into mindgames because if the person jumping thinks you won't DP anymore and will cover fireballs/ground options they'll go right back to jumping.
Jace Gutierrez
What a sad roster
Anthony Jenkins
You heard me you feathered rat
Jose Gomez
>That just turns into mindgames A pivotal aspect of competition. You fucking fool.
James Jones
The same can be said of all competitions. By OPs definition; there is not a single competitive thing in the world.
