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Dr. Mario was more fun in melee, change my mind.

Donkey Kong has a huge amount of potential.

his shield is awful so use light shields instead
only a few moves can be l-canceled
nair is your best tool
i haven't played g&w a lot but i understand that from what i have seen

Learn Marth and enjoy the tears of every shitter you find

>want to play melee
>only have any drive to play fox because of skill ceiling and generally being sick
how do i train my brain to want to play a character i can execute mechanically

G&W is fun as shit, literally all offense no defense game to speak of. if you wanna see good G&W play, watch Qerb. he was just outside of top 100 this year. G&W is all about the d-tilt, fair, and grab in neutral, nair is good like the other guy said but basically only a kill move

play netplay and get your ass kicked long enough, your drive to win and improve will overpower the will to multishine. i switched from falco to puff and win way more

>buys $1500 gaming PC to emulate a nintendo party game
>cozy as fuck

Any character can be sick. But...are you?

his hat is gone

Now that wobbling is truly gone, I wanna see some sick shit out of these climbers

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PPMD syndrome. low-T

Why does he choose to sit by and do nothing while evil flourishes?

not gonna happen. dead char because fox mains dont want to learn to l cancel on shield lol.

>dead character because fox mains dont want to do something that would help them fight the character better

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think about it

>Wavedash
>Spotdodge
>Down Smash
This is it
I have mastered Melee

u sound like an icies main

>200 dollars for a fucking gamecube controller
Do meleefags really do this?

not being able to l cancel would HELP ICs live, not kill them

ya you can have a custom one with whatever mods you want on battlebeavers. they run like $90-$300. most players don't buy amazing controllers just a bunch of used ones to try and get lucky. also some players play on a B0XX now

you're thinking about this the wrong way

explain, because i dont see having a weakness against ICs as something that would kill ICs

G&W has chain grab on fox and falco until like 50+ and has guaranteed throw into fsmash on them as well

G&W has a monster chaingrab on falcon too

also falcon is the worst character in the game, you could make a bot the accurately emulates all falcon players besides wizzy. just downthrow and guaranteed combos we've seen for 15 years

he's saying that icies need wobbling to stay relevant, but more and more tournaments are banning wobbling in response to salty fox players that get shieldgrabbed because they miss their l cancels

You know, for how little some characters get talked about, I think I like playing all the Melee cast, besides maybe the rats that i'm really bad at, and Zelda which I find boring.
Everyone else i'm fine with. It's fun trying to do flashy stuff with the DJC characters or grab combos with DK, custom combos in general

hoes mad about marth because of #1 chad zain

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why would anyone cry about marth?

Actually I just dislike Marth because he's the worst matchup for my main.

Luigi?

isn't wizzy all about the formulaic techchase scenarios? n0ne is less of a robot.
also is s2j still good?

fox mains on twitter crying over marth, leffen is literally labbing the sheik matchup because he's giving up on beating zain. also there was a petition down ban downthrow dtilt gimp lol

people have moved on from puff and now everyone is crying about marth being the broken unwinnable matchup as fox

Johnny is still good.

Doc

Doc's worst matchup is peach or Falcon, though?

Mario/Doc don't have a lot to get past the sword.

literally everyone hates marth
even marth players hate marth

ever played a good jigglypuff?

S2J is #11 in the world, he's good.

yeah wizzy has the techchases down but i like that he plays neutral smart instead of jumping and picking a random aerial like the other falcons

fucking what
I can get picking up a character so you have an easier time with the matchup, but what kind of mongs would want to just ban part of a character that they have a hard time dealing with?

what's wrong with picking up a secondary? sounds reasonable, zain is really fucking good

I have a losing matchup vs marth but I still like him

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Squid + the other 1.2K people that upvoted it on the SSBM reddit lol.

watch zain vs. leffen at summit, after the game leffen comes on the mic and talks about how marth is impossible to win because of FD

>what kind of mongs would want to just ban part of a character that they have a hard time dealing with?
i tried looking this up and all i could find was a joke post on reddit

Maybe you could argue that
However, I don't encounter a lot of Peach, and you'd be surprised at how many Falcons dont know how to handle the Doc matchup.
Marth I find to be a more consistent hurdle.

Actually now that I think about it, if FD is the only stage that Fox gets wrecked by Marth, why not have a counterpick character for FD and stick with fox for the other stages?
I think ICs are really good on FD and I'm surprised no one uses them as a secondary. (well, I guess they're not so good anymore)
What about falcon?
Likewise, for characters that do poorly on yoshi's story consider pulling out a ganondorf.

>ICs need wobbling to be relevant
Not true
And since we're talking about Fox, it's even less true. ICs can easily 0-death him

No one uses ICs as a secondary because they're hard as hell to play, with or without wobbling

>float out of any pressure and camp the ledge
>strategic

You hcucks need to go back to rebbit

SEETHING

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leffen explains his thoughts on fox-marth after his set w/ zain at summit
youtube.com/watch?v=GFjRz9-WR0U
tl;dr
>fox loses to marth period (for a variety of reasons, not just fd)
>it doesn't help that zain is the best marth player in the world and knows the matchup extremely well
>that's okay though, it's just one matchup
>it's probably better to just go sheik vs marth