Admit it, FF12 would be the best 3D FF game without Vaan & Panelo

Admit it, FF12 would be the best 3D FF game without Vaan & Panelo

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if they swapped XII and Revenant Wings stories you mean

Removing Vaan and Penelo would make it better but it wouldn't fix it or elevate to being best.
To make it best, Matsuno would need to be allowed to actually fucking finish it and with his original vision of Basch as protagonist.

Ashe is the protagonist, not Basch

Literally no one would bitch about Vaan if his white shirt appearance from later games was his default in XII

Penelo had a nice butt

1. Learn to read with comprehension you fucking ESL monkey.
2. Do your fucking research on who Matsuno chose as protagonist.
3. Learn the fucking difference between protagonist and hero.

>no world map
>no control of all your party
>no world spanning story
>7 foot bunny girl that sounds like Bjork though
Nah.

The fact that they're all human except Fran was BS. I remember thinking, what's the point putting it in Ivalice if we get a majority human party?

tfw I miss 12's battle system
Bros...

Actually just without Vaan. It's been confirmed that Panelo actually had a character that wasn't Vaans love interest and butt buddy before Vaan was shoehorned it.
She was supposed to be a Judge's Illegitimate child.

All of the shitty story beats in the game are tied to Vaan. Him being removed would just make the game better.

Or that boring Sakimoto soundtrack
Or that boring MMO combat
Or that boring story

And if the combat wasnt complete shit. And if the story wasnt complete shit
And if the remaining characters weren't complete shit

Another tripfaggot to the filter list.

The cast still needed more scenes together. How much dialogue do Balthier and Basch even have outside of the intro stuff?
The game is almost entirely Ashe focused from beginning to end with very little of the other party members really doing anything or developing much.

why even respond?
I've already filtered any and all r*ddit attention whores.

Remove Vaan
Ashe is the protagonist
All party members get equal character deveoopment
Let Matsuno finish his original story

There now it’s fixed

Because I like making tripfaggots aware they got filtered and that even if they write some butthurt reply I won't even see it cause they're already filtered.

Ashe is basically already the protagonist. Vaan does basically nothing outside of being the avatar who walks around in towns and asking Ashe about her ghost boyfriend.

lol that's pretty sad, bro.

>boring soundtrack
Shut the fuck up Onsokumaru

It's literally the opposite, it failed because it wasn't really about Vaan and Penelo.
People thought it was Tidus and Yuna in a different setting, and what we got was
youtu.be/3lPG1u6EbiY?t=69
It tried to be like FFT except it wasn't about Ramza at all, it was about boring fucking adults.

Reminder that the sequel that was trashed would’ve had Ashe cuck Basch with Larsa while he rots in a cell then sacrifices himself to save the world.

Just like garnet is the protagonist of 9?

>It tried to be like FFT except it wasn't about Ramza at all, it was about boring fucking adults.
babies first ivalice, every fucking time

It would still probably be FF10.

Balthier should've been the protagonist.

FF12 would still be trash without them.

Ashe and Basch should have been deleted from the main party
keep them as guests for pirate contracts

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I'm actually playing this for the first time, Steam Zodiac version. I just finished up the Holy Mountain and now I'm dicking around with hunts. My big take-aways so far...
>I do not give a shit about any of these characters or the story, I can see the issues here that would later plague 13 and 15
>I didn't realize the Tactics team was involved here and I'm glad to see their influence in many regards
>Combat system once again reeks of FF titles trying to reinvent the wheel all the time. It's fun, but plays itself with a proper Gambit set-up
>There's so much shit the game simply doesn't explain and I have no idea how you'd figure this stuff out on your own (my SO played the game before and is able to give me hints)
>Unlike Tactics, I'm stuck playing a bunch of vanilla-ass boring humans and a fuckbunny, instead of getting to play the badass races populating this world
>classes don't feel particularly unique

Not remotely, but it would certainly be improved.

I really don't understand why people focus so much on Vaan and Penelo. Besides serving as the introductory characters to the setting they have very little presence. They can both be completely ignored.

You say that like tactics isn't about boring adults?

I fucking hate the zodiac board. Why were autists mad about everyone sharing a board?

>something something everybody becomes good at everything REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Tactics is about scheming adults actually.

I'm trying to play through this game, but jesus christ the combat just isn't interesting at all. FF10 had me hooked after the first couple of characters join the party. But with how the jobs work in 12 no one feels unique. Is this a game where I gotta suffer for the first 20 hours in order for it to get good?

after all, he was the star of the show

Vaan > shitskin bunny

Same. I tried replaying with the Zodiac version recently and I really disliked it.

But it's lickable abs and cunny 24/7 on the screen

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wasn't ff12 supposed to not have vaan and panelo

I think so. Several scenes they are either not in the scene or off in the corner doing their own thing

>"But you aren't doing that Ashe."
>"Yes! Don't interrupt me Vaan!"

It's almost like they needed 2 young characters because marketing said so

on the contrary, they shpould have focus a little bit more on the story of those 2 how they deal being without family, and maybe a bit of revenge for the borther of van.
they are not obnoxious at all, they just feel kinda wasted, some of the cutsences with those 2 are pretty good, like when baltier stop penelo and give her his hankerchief, van and ashe talking about what they saw when the occuria was showing like a ghost, when van didn take shit of the vieras that dont want to help them, or when he ask for fran age.

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kino pairing desu

why is marketing for most things so fucking retarded... why did they think adding 2 annoying personality vacuums would be a good thing

So why didn't anyone screech about X?

Because the only people that go into marketing tests are low life retards or old people with nothing else to do

The game's plot falls apart completely without Ashe and Basch. The fuck other reason is there for the rest of them to stop the empire?

Literally Japanese Han and Chewie. Infact all of the characters could be lightly compared to the original trilogy characters

>what if chewie was a hot bunny instead and han had sex with it

because you are usually into the postgame before people in X start being the same

nah its still 13

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It would be better if the gameplay was just ATB or whatever X was

>Vaan & Ashe
fixed that for you

Based.